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On July 22 2010 11:49 DemiSe wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2010 10:59 Joseph. wrote:On July 22 2010 10:52 DemiSe wrote:
I decided to quit WoW, when blizzard changed the honorsystem so every incompetent and mindfucked player could obtain my Warlord's Battlegear. The gear I had attained through playing >10 hours every day during my summerholiday together with the other 9 people of our premade. The gear I had attained through determination and hard work was up for grabs for anyone who was able to press a button to join a battleground.
Anywas...
Allow me to welcome you, Mr.Two to TL!
I'am certain that you will enjoy your stay.
Haha, respect. I think the longest I stayed up at any one point was 36 hours in a single sitting fighting for High Warlord against other people. I stopped at rank 12 (General) though because I decided I'd like to not go blind. Sometimes I wish I would have kept going to get rank 14, because High Warlord is such a unique title now, well General is too I guess. I don't think there is anything harder I ever did in a game than having to stay up 20+ hours a day PVP'ing for months knowing the only way I was going to get high ranked is if the other guy decided sleep was more important. That was when WoW was really fucking hardcore. Yea, especially when you have around 6-7 premades running @ the same server, fighting for the top 5 standings. Now PvP(ARENA!) is just a big fat joke. I mean, find 2 poeple that play the right classes and enter arena, how hard is that. Try mobilizing 10 people that have superior teamwork and have a deep understanding of their individual classes. I laugh when people say it was "mindless" grinding, it just show how little people know about vanilla wow. People whine that it is hard to find good partners for 3v3, then they have tried out finding a good premade in vanilla wow. EDIT: After reading some of the dumbest comments in this thread I'll leave it the way it is. I feel like if I start discussing with some of the people here that has whatsoever no knownledge of the game, esp vanillia wow it will result in a flamewar and it would be disrespectful to the OP.
Comparing BGs to arena is like comparing... Connect Four to Chess. BGs with a premade is super easy and there is NO challenge. Anyone can roflstomp noobs, in fact if I have a healer on my hunter, or dps on my priest, I can rape the shit out of any group in BGs unless they are a bigger premade (and even then). Arena is way harder than any BG ever, and vanilla was 2 shotting people with pve gear failfest. You don't need to know shit to win a BG compared to Arena. Sure there are OP comps in 2's and ezmode setups but ALL BGS are ALWAYZ EZ MODE unless its two extremely good premades vs each other on vent, which is 1% of matches if that.
Finding people to make a premade is easy. Finding someone who is super skilled and needs to have certain gear/spec/skills is much harder than finding a "healer" for BG's. By taking a retard with decent gear who can heal my hunter toon, or a decent dps who can help my priest kill shit I dominate BGs. By myself I make a great impact but if i have a retard who can follow a few simple commands and have decent gear (like a pet) I can win almost any BG or turn it so far in my favor we win.
Anyone saying BGs takes skill is either an idiot or a troll.
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On July 22 2010 12:53 shinosai wrote:
I also vastly prefer Starcraft 2 over WoW because you don't have to rely on other people. Here's the thing about WoW... if you want to do well in the arena, you either need to be able to carry (think mage that is very skilled at cc) or have good partners. I experienced the inability to get past 1500 with some people, and with others the ability to get to 2k rating in the first night of playing. I constantly questioned my own skill in WoW arena, because depending on gear and who I was playing with, I was either gladiator material or a sub-1500 scrub.
In Starcraft 2, I was able to jump right in and beat some people that are really good. Every loss I could blame on myself, and every win I could take credit for. Even in the 2v2 bracket, I was able to carry my silver leagued friend straight into platinum (b4 diamond). That, my friends, is a game based on pure skill.
Also, for some reason WoW guilds are rarely interested in how good or bad you are. Do you have the achievements, do you have the gear? Do you know someone to vouch for you? We'll try you out. It makes it REALLY hard to get back into the game unless you plan on grinding with a crappy guild to get the gear. On the other hand in sc2 you can jump right back in, mechanics might take a dozen games to get back, but you don't forget strategy.
Admittedly I'm biased because I had a lot of bad experiences in WoW. Maybe I am just not a people person. ='/
This. And the people in wow are shit.
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On July 22 2010 13:35 nanaoei wrote:Show nested quote +
I don't think so. I can't for the life of me think of any reason that the two would be correlated. I mean, it's pretty obvious for example that the most popular writers are not necessarily the most talented. Having an audience just means you appeal to the crowd, not that your product is extremely complex... or in this case competitive.
i guess a quick example would be how the starcraft competitive scene became larger and larger with the acknowledgement it drew from the crowds, players, and sponsor companies --was made possible, as if it was because of the popularity of the game in the first place the point was to say just about every game has its own level of how people decide to compete in, and also to point out that there's a large draw to the game's pvp-----even if half the viewers are just WoW players, and guild members anyway, doesn't that tell you something ? 
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On July 22 2010 09:16 LumberJack wrote:
I've played competitive wow for years now(2.5k+), its definitely not as satisfying as sc was. I'm still not convinced SC2 is going to be as popular as SC:BW. There are alot of elements about the play i dont like. I dont like how unit composition is so important. You can double their food in army and still lose b/c you have the wrong units vs his army. I guess its just growing pains and things I'll just have to get over. I hate how i cant just make basic units as zerg/toss but terran can get away with it.
That is exactly the beauty of SC2.
Ill rather play a game I have to scout and think, over a game I only mass the best unit and auto win. SC2 is Strategy, tactics, intelligence, positioning and much more.
Think about it.
PS. And you can rest assure SC2 will be as popular as BW.
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The biggest part me of quitting WoW is definitely the addictive and time-sucking nature of the game. You could get lost in that game for literally hours and hours. I would get on, play a little, glance at the clock and realize that I just drained 4 hours. With starcraft 2 and many other games like it there is much less of a time-suck factor. You always know, more or less, how long a game is going to take you (10~90 mins) and you can always take a break in between games and get some fresh air or get some RL work done. With WoW there was no real 'break' where you weren't doing anything at all. I really like that break. With SC2 I don't feel chained to my chair at all, except in the midst of battle.
One other aspect of WoW that was a big turn-off for me, as you (OP) mentioned, is the skill cap. You could only get so good at clicking buttons and positioning your character, but were eventually and endlessly beat out by better-geared characters. SC2 has none of that, as it is very strategy-oriented and is great for thinkers like myself to indulge in, because things are constantly changing with new strategies, build orders, and the like.
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Wise choice, welcome to the wonderful SC community.
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Congratulations on quitting. Never go back. I recently did a one-month WoW binge after being away for a year. What a waste of time. It is better to "level up" yourself in real life.
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Yeah the biggest negative points about WoW for me was having to adjust your schedule around a guilds raids. Being a raid leader for a long time it really started to feel like a job sometimes.
Playing SC2 is such a relief :p.
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I played on private servers got addicted to grinding though a lot faster paced. Tried to play retail. Found out i wasted my money after 2 weeks.
Though before all this I have been n SC player since I was 7 and the game released.
(still have my sc 1.0 disc)
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My main problem with WoW is that you have to pay. So that means you HAVE to play countless hours a week or you're basically wasting your money...
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On July 22 2010 09:51 PokePill wrote:Show nested quote +Lol. Maybe at 1900. Link your 3k rated team please? There's tons of teams of the same comp spread over the entire spectrum of ratings, obviously some are much better than others, like in anything else.
Also, if you can't see the incredibly high skill cap in these matches then you just don't get it: How is anybody who doesn't play World of Warcraft supposed to have any clue what's going on? When I watch WoW, it looks to me people are just left clicking each other and making full use of spell cooldowns while using teamwork. It also looks like all projectiles and attacks auto target. Not being sarcastic or anything, I don't have a clue what I'm watching in that video. What am I missing?
You're missing the timing of all of the abilities. Instead of aiming or anything, the skill boils down to casting the right spells at the right time, positioning, using pillars to hide, and coordinating all of this with teammates. Hard stuff to do at a high level, but I agree, not too interesting to watch unless you know the game, and or play in similar situations yourself.
Also, if a layman sees a video like that and all he thinks is "wow they are just spamming abilities as soon as they are up", that pretty much seals the deal for WoW ever becoming a serious e-sport.
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imagine if you spent all that time you spent playing wow and played starcraft. imagine how good you would be
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On July 22 2010 08:54 Fubsywubkis wrote:
However, in SC2, I absolutely can log in for 20 minutes if I want to, play a quick match, and go on my way! You don't ever get to the point where, if you don't dedicate 16 hours, you're wasting your time. I just...I love it. It's awesome.
Yes, this is just brilliant. 
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ya but it takes longer to get good at sc then to get good at wow and once you get into sc it is more addicting then wow imo
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Ive play like 3 years of wow since vanilla till end of burning crusade and dont regret at all , and ive very good memory combined with movies, friends and stuff
like the start of the PVP, my first alterac was so awesome we were 20v40 and winning, vanilla instance ( first c thun kill after 1 month ), and ive making an awesome RP PVP Guild of 200 members.
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My hat is off to you Mr. OP (btw Two is a pretty sick name. I dunno why... simple and cool haha)
I remember when I played WoW... circle strafe GOGOGO! Just kidding. I hope you will have lots of fun with SC2!
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On July 22 2010 14:56 Rodiel wrote:
Ive play like 3 years of wow since vanilla till end of burning crusade and dont regret at all , and ive very good memory combined with movies, friends and stuff
like the start of the PVP, my first alterac was so awesome we were 20v40 and winning, vanilla instance ( first c thun kill after 1 month ), and ive making an awesome RP PVP Guild of 200 members.
I'm with you on this. WoW gets a really bad rap around here it seems, but the initial leveling experience, especially if you did it back when the game was released, was amazing and memorable. The game really is incredibly well made.
But it's not a very good competitive game, no RPGs are.
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Pwned. I hope you're a journalist Dminus
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