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On June 27 2010 02:52 Bandreus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2010 02:06 SichuanPanda wrote:
I see it taking up to a year after launch of retail for any pro leagues out-side of Korea to really get going - but I think unlike with BW, this time around it could actually happen that SC2 gets pro scenes outside of SK. I get the feeling we don't really manage to get how big SC2 is going to be worldwide. I mean, MLG is no doubt going to do a lot of things with it, but that is not enough. I want people to realize, how big it was the HDH and it was a first time for HD and Husky, and it was still beta. Now look at this in perspective. They did not announce anything specific yet, but I can assure to youthe second one is going to be much much bigger. This is only to make you realize, if two very committed guys are able to pull something like that, the very first reason is because the community behind this game is strong, and man, it is getting stronger and stronger every day. I have little or no doubt the SC2 eSports scene will explode in no time after the game is being released.
I agree entirely.
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On June 26 2010 22:25 TheAntZ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2010 21:54 gaiyeam wrote:
how can you shown interest in a game that inst out yet some patience and they should pick it up. are you feeling alright? you seem a little confused
lol i meant sc2 isn't out yet and thus they cant set out there plans for it yet (Rome wasn't built in a day)
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As long as Blizzard don't try to get in the way too much of things (limits on map publishing, trying to shut down tournaments and deliberately gimping Bnet 2.0 with the identifier debacle), SC2 will be enormous.
It's almost certain it'll be in WCG next year. ESL will definitely run with it. So should CEVO. Cybergamer here in Australia is already gearing up for a $3000 ladder.
Pretty much every little corner of the net is going to have something SC2 related going on. I can't wait.
Oh and yeh, the single-player will be awesome. Can't wait for that.
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Professional sports exist because sponsors make money from advertising. As long as there is a large enough audience for the sport it will get advertisers. We see this in football with Bud Light and GoDaddy.com (among others), Halo with Red Bull, and Starcraft in South Korea with Korean Air. IRIP seemed to profit from the HDH enough to sponsor additional showmatches. There is definitely an audience for SC2 and there is no question that it will be a force in North America, although we seem to have a bigger market for FPS games.
The best thing we can do as fans, spectators, or competitors is support the companies that support Starcraft. The market will speak; if it is profitable to sponsor and host Starcraft tournaments, they will happen.
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It seems pretty unprecedented that there have been this many tournaments in a beta game, quite astounding actually.
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the game has not even been released yet.... lol give it some time
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Like everyone mentioned MLG has already said they will support SC2. However, you have to remember most of the mainstreamed tourny games have the worst competitive scenes instead of the best at least in the US. I mean do you really think EA games are more competitive or even remotely as competitive as the loads of legendary fighters like street fighter, tekken virtua fighter, smash bros or as competitive as all the legendary fps? I mean have you ever even heard of a Madden tournament?
I think someone said it earlier, that sponsors will choose LESS competitive games so that more people can participate or become fans of them so that will help them out in terms of publicity and money. Its the same reason why casual games always have more players than competitive games. In order for an actual competitive game to be sponsored in big tournaments it has to both be a good game AND have alot of people that like it, know about it, or play it. Some examples of games like this are Counterstrike (in the past, not sure how big it is now)and Halo, and Starcraft in Korea. I think the first step in getting e-sports big is to make it more popular, so that more people enjoy it. I'm not actually sure how they did it in South Korea, but you can believe that if people weren't interested in Starcraft, they probably wouldn't have OSL and MSL just because Starcraft is a good, or even the best, game.
However, it does seem to be that Starcraft 2 is insanely popular, I mean I hear random joe shmoes all over the place talking about it, and almost everyone I know that plays video games is looking forward to it. I'm sure once its released and the companies see that this may very well be the most popular PC game under World of Warcraft we might start seing some big money tournaments.
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On June 26 2010 20:31 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
from what i can see Virgin Gaming and MLG are basically ignoring SC2..
we have Virgin Gaming willing to host sponsor and organize EA NHL leagues but SC2 is basically ignored.... what a joke.
is any North American eSports major player stepping up and creating a quality competitive series( i mean with more than 10K in prize money ) for the competitive SC2 player that lives in North America ?
I would argue that it's a bit too early to determine if "any north america esports major player is stepping up"
I'd say there is an argument to be made that there is no such thing as a "north america esports major player" but that's a matter of opinion and isn't relevant to the reality that we want as many north american esports players and organizations.
Also, for a serious event you don't necessarily need an organized central "government" HDH's events are a good example of this. (though money does need to come from someone)
In short, beta isn't even up at the moment, and doesn't even release for a month, and so it's hard to really make definitive statements about what the sponsors and organizers are making and who is actually serious or even legitimate. When there is anything "important" going on it will most definitely be heavily discussed on this website in the appropriate subforum
I myself think SC2 will be huge on a global scale, but with the new authoritarian version of Battle.net-lite we may run into a few issues. Nothing serious though 
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I love how much people bash games they think are inferior. "Have you ever heard of a madden tourament?" Yes I have... Madden has been bais for a TV show on ESPN. Just because you may not think Madden is a great game doesn't mean tons of other people dont play it competivly. I think BW and SC2 are much better competive games then Madden, but a lot of people play Madden.
The games which sponsors can make money off of will get sponsors. That is all the sponsors care about. So if enough people follow SC2 there will be a competive scene with good sponsors.
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MLG has been running weekly tournaments where did you get the idea they are ignoring SC2.
This is all very confusing.
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I'd be wary about MLG's support for SC2. I've been a member of gamebattles (owned by MLG) since 2003 and have followed a lot of their very poor business practices over the years.
I won a bit over $1000 from a series of tourneys sponsored by the US Army from Halo Wars on x360 and spent 6-8 months trying to get my money from them. I had to contact the BBB, the NY attorney general, and the FTC to get my money (which finally came around 8-9 months after I won). They are not very reliable with their payouts and are pretty shady in general.
In addition, their tournaments are incredibly insulting. They have an enter in price of essentially between 15 and 30 dollars (10 - 25 MLG credits usually) and will pay back around 25% of the money received from the participants. They will have tournaments where 16 people enter in for 25 MLG credits and they'll pay back about $150 to the winner and $50 to second place. They directly pocket anywhere from 50-70% of the money taken in. And as above, even this small sum of money is very hard to wrestle from their hands should you win.
The MLG community is also, in general, composed of Halo/Cod kids that scream "get good" and "goml" into the mic at every opportunity.
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Virgin gaming has a custom ladder setup with console profiles so they have more control over players and prolly have nothing more than a couple regionals and a grand final some place as a live event. It's a low cost setup for them since it's online and microsoft and sony don't mind since people buy sub/card time to use it. I dunno and doubt if Blizzard has custom ladders for organizations using Bnet right now that does basically the same thing Virgin can do with xbox live and sony online. Hopefully in the future Bnet will evolve to something like that.
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On June 27 2010 12:24 iEchoic wrote:
I'd be wary about MLG's support for SC2. I've been a member of gamebattles (owned by MLG) since 2003 and have followed a lot of their very poor business practices over the years.
these strong comments are worthy of deeper investigation on my part....
if MLG wants to step near the oven... they better be able to handle the heat....
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