Stim vs Charge - Page 2

On June 05 2010 00:45 Paramore wrote:
I think actually, if you made Ghost EMP cost 200/200 and took 140 seconds to research at Academy, then I would say there's no problem.

On June 05 2010 00:55 Spidermonkey wrote:


I play Terran, and I totally disagree. Stim is a no brainer to get an use, even before Medivac... if you even ever tech to Medivacs. Every Terran player gets Stim and the vast majority get Concusive Shells. Not every Protoss player gets Charge, even though Charge is a good ability.

The cost of charge should be reduced. Charge is a constant ability you don't trigger, it goes off by it's self... much like Concusive Shells. The cost of Charge should be half of what it is.

On June 05 2010 00:58 Morgynia wrote:
Terran is way to cheap its that simple. i dont think the change has to be done on Toss's part but on Terran. their to cheap/strong/ and has way better eco then anyone else early/midd game.

cheap upgrades
Mules (like haveing a expo)
Superstrong units (cheap)

we have yet to see any scbw supergood lollish of d00m players like Idra/Nony/Whitera ect play Terran, once this happends i dunno wtf ppl can do. ill say like Tester and Artosis says, if Terran isnt drasticlly changed, sc2 will become a one race game in the competative sceene. u might mention TLO ect but how much did u see of him in the competative sceene pre sc2? dont take this wrong, i love him to death and his creative play is just wild to look at

ill prob get warned or whatever for this post but its my opinion and ill stick to it no matter what.

On June 05 2010 01:03 RoMarX wrote:
lol protos are imba and still whine. blink is so overpowered, so much mobility, and charge is so good, wtf move speed and high damage.

On June 05 2010 01:03 RoMarX wrote:
lol protos are imba and still whine. blink is so overpowered, so much mobility, and charge is so good, wtf move speed and high damage.

On June 05 2010 00:54 Paramore wrote:


You aren't looking at the over-all drawback of Charge. Because of Charge I can't build a templar archives. Beacuse of Charge and how long it takes, I can't attack your bio-ball before I have it. Because of Charge, I can't think about getting anything other than more tier 1 just to make that upgrade a viable option. I think that is too much of a burden, compared to your Stim, that in many situations only require 1 to 2 uses since all my shit is dead.

I mistitled this. It should be Charge vs EMP... Charge costs 200/200, EMP is free. My drawback happens before the battle even starts. My army lost half its life and I don't have charge researched yet and my tanks aren't tanks anymore, just high-damage stalkers that move slower (immortals). Thats why I have a problem against this particular build.

On June 05 2010 01:03 RoMarX wrote:
lol protos are imba and still whine. blink is so overpowered, so much mobility, and charge is so good, wtf move speed and high damage.

On June 05 2010 00:55 Spidermonkey wrote:


I play Terran, and I totally disagree. Stim is a no brainer to get an use, even before Medivac... if you even ever tech to Medivacs. Every Terran player gets Stim and the vast majority get Concusive Shells. Not every Protoss player gets Charge, even though Charge is a good ability.

The cost of charge should be reduced. Charge is a constant ability you don't trigger, it goes off by it's self... much like Concusive Shells. The cost of Charge should be half of what it is.

On June 05 2010 01:08 Daedie wrote:


I'm talking combat drawbacks here. Investing gas in upgrades will delay some builds for every race, I don't see how that is relevant at all.

Forcefields are free. And that's pretty much where your second argument ends.

I'm not necessarily disagreeing that charge might need a cost reduction. I'm just saying your argumentation as to why is not accurate in the slightest.

On June 05 2010 00:58 Morgynia wrote:


we have yet to see any scbw supergood lollish of d00m players like Idra/Nony/Whitera ect play Terran, once this happends i dunno wtf ppl can do. ill say like Tester and Artosis says, if Terran isnt drasticlly changed, sc2 will become a one race game in the competative sceene. u might mention TLO ect but how much did u see of him in the competative sceene pre sc2? dont take this wrong, i love him to death and his creative play is just wild to look at

On June 05 2010 01:14 RxN wrote:


Ahh yes, the old "the only good players are playing toss and zerg right now, just wait until someone good uses terran" argument used to justify some baseless claims. Haven't seen that before.

On June 05 2010 00:35 Joseki wrote:
You say concussive shells "negates" zelots, but the reality is Zelots are the most necessary component of early game PvT. If you have just a pair of stalkers if they come to harass, you are dead to 2 mauraders, but if you have a zelot and a stalker you actually have a fighting change since it takes something like 16 maurader shots to beat a zelot, and you can micro the stalker around to poke and damage the mauraders while they are forced to deal with the much higher damage dealing Zelot. The zelot is a tank in those early game situations, and concussive shells simply makes it possible for terran to even fight or pressure the P opponent.

What does the TC serve? It opens your tech to Templar Archives and Dark Templar Shrine. However, aside from these two upgrades, this mechanic is an often fatal redundancy to Protoss. It just makes no mechanical sense as to why this building exists.
This building only exists because it was in Starcraft 1. The only reason it was in Starcraft 1 was to find a place to buffer both types of Templars so that they wouldn't come out so fast. Isn't there a more innovative way to put leg-speed/charge? Also, isn't that twilight council buffer enough punishment for us to build Templars? Need there be two seperate buildlings to build that one Unit? What are Protoss? Zerg? Come on... here (Okay those last two sentences get out of hand). Anyways...