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aka_star
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United Kingdom1546 Posts
June 03 2010 16:20 GMT
#481
ROFL, tanks refuse to over killing!?! wow, imba... I had no idea that was the case.....man I so overlooked that, no wonder the damaged seemed so godly and impossible to get close. Terran are too strong
FlashDave.999 aka Star
Mr.Pyro
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Denmark959 Posts
June 03 2010 16:20 GMT
#482
Smart AI for tanks fucking needs to go, i want to zealot bomb!
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Tyri
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany453 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-03 16:24:01
June 03 2010 16:22 GMT
#483
On June 04 2010 01:10 KobraKay wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2010 01:04 iCCup.Diamond wrote:


Let's make it happen along with TLO vs. mech. Let's do a Zerg vs. Mech event!


This! Sen and TLO vs Mech? LOL nice :D...Make this happen!

Go Sen, go TLO! (Yes I've been playing terran lately so go team that shows theres no imba in ZvT!)

Oh and Maka plays a really solid mech and Cool beat him so we're going to see the Zs win and show theres no imba in mech right? :D



OMG pls make it happen, me being a Zerg player would be so much appreciating this
cloudJR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States266 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-03 16:35:48
June 03 2010 16:28 GMT
#484
I think the one thing that really makes Terran OP is their several vision options. Turrets, Ravens, Scans, and Sensor Towers are way too many options for Terran to know where and what their opponent is doing. This poll is simple and I want to know what everyone else thinks about it. Lol let's be honest. Being able to create a unit that can see 1/6 of a 2 player map, is just like having a xel' tower protected in your base. Lol I know I'm going to get some hate for this but this is how I feel about them.

Poll: Should Sensor Towers be Removed?

No (42)
 
62%

Yes (26)
 
38%

68 total votes

Your vote: Should Sensor Towers be Removed?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No


All I can hear are thousands of children screaming imbalance.......
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
June 03 2010 16:30 GMT
#485
Sensor Towers are not OP. Terrans just never used it to fake a expansion and it has potential -sigh-
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rei
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3594 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-03 16:36:49
June 03 2010 16:36 GMT
#486
This is not fair, sen and TLO is so much better than all the other terrans on the table for this z vs mech show down, it would result in one sided rapes, let's put Maka on the table then maybe we have a better representation of what Terran is truly capable of with mech.

and yes like TLO said ultras are the counter, it works fine as long as you put 4 ultras in melee range of bunch of tanks, each ultra does 40 damage all have splash damage, so all the tanks get own after 1 swipes from 4 ultras as they each splash all the tanks near. Drop them with overlords if you have to, it works try it.

What qualify me agree agreeing with TLO's advice? I tested this with my friends and my friends are good, also I did beat Chill + kennigit 1vs2 and i got replay to prove it
GET OUT OF MY BASE CHILL
Chriamon
Profile Joined April 2010
United States886 Posts
June 03 2010 16:38 GMT
#487
On June 04 2010 01:36 rei wrote:
What qualify me agree agreeing with TLO's advice? I tested this with my friends and my friends are good, also I did beat Chill + kennigit 1vs2 and i got replay to prove it

From what I hear it would actually be harder to beat chill 1v1 than to be chill and kennigit 1v2
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/274906/1/Blaze/
GodIsNotHere
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada395 Posts
June 03 2010 16:41 GMT
#488
How about instead of screaming for nerfs they just fix ultras's an give them a roll vs mech? kind of pity the damn things when they die before they even land a single hit lol.
In War: Resolution. In Defeat: Defiance. In Victory: Magnanimity. In Peace: Goodwill.
HubertFelix
Profile Joined April 2010
France631 Posts
June 03 2010 16:42 GMT
#489
On June 04 2010 01:36 rei wrote:
This is not fair, sen and TLO is so much better than all the other terrans on the table for this z vs mech show down, it would result in one sided rapes, let's put Maka on the table then maybe we have a better representation of what Terran is truly capable of with mech.


Is it's as imba as they claims they could take some games. One of the terrans seems pretty sure of this.
Grimjim
Profile Joined May 2010
United States395 Posts
June 03 2010 16:43 GMT
#490
The people claiming Mech is beatable and not OP are Terran players content with 1A'ing their ball of metal death into any Zerg and insta-winning. Don't give me shit like "Oh, but we are immobile and we rely on positioning." Every map is a fucking fish bowl made of nothing but choke points. You hit a button and your army becomes invincible. That sure does take skill.

Yeah, it's beatable, but the Zerg player has to play absolutely perfectly, be at a constant 140 APM, do dozens of things correctly, harass constantly, capitalize on any mistakes made by the Terran player, be ahead economically, and only then will maybe barely win.

Meanwhile the Terran player can sit at 30 APM, macro up ez mode, push out and win. He doesn't have to react to anything the Zerg player does, except build a few missile turrets. Why the hell should he win when he does so much less than the Zerg player?

All these high level replays tell us nothing, because the game is played by tens of thousands of people that aren't that good. Yeah, a few dozen Zerg can beat it. But there's tens of thousands who can't. So your answer is "Get better?" Maybe you should have taken your own advice when it came to Void Rays huh?

Pathetic.
I am serious. And my name is Shirley.
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
June 03 2010 16:44 GMT
#491
I say we just solve this thread with the epic Zerg vs. Mech showdown.
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rei
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3594 Posts
June 03 2010 16:45 GMT
#492
On June 04 2010 01:38 Chriamon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2010 01:36 rei wrote:
What qualify me agree agreeing with TLO's advice? I tested this with my friends and my friends are good, also I did beat Chill + kennigit 1vs2 and i got replay to prove it

From what I hear it would actually be harder to beat chill 1v1 than to be chill and kennigit 1v2

haha, kennigit didn't drag Chill down in that game, in fact he and Chill attacked my expo the entire game killed it few times before I finally manage to single handily wipe out kennigit's mutas and then proceed to own Chill before my teammate even move out of his base.
GET OUT OF MY BASE CHILL
Merikh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States918 Posts
June 03 2010 16:51 GMT
#493
Poll: Sen vs Drewbie Mech Showdown?

Yes (70)
 
93%

No (5)
 
7%

75 total votes

Your vote: Sen vs Drewbie Mech Showdown?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No



Poll: TLO vs QXC Showdown?

Yes (77)
 
99%

No (1)
 
1%

78 total votes

Your vote: TLO vs QXC Showdown?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No



Let's make it happen Bo7 Mech vs Zerg is it unstoppable :D we'll find out!!!
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Everlong
Profile Joined April 2010
Czech Republic1973 Posts
June 03 2010 16:51 GMT
#494
Sorry Grimjim, but dont you think its a bit too early to make such as statement? This game is not even released and you talk like you have played it for like 5 years.. Its just funny to read, really. Im pretty sure you will speak differenty in like 3-4 months.. It just blows my mind to see so many people blaming about pathetic imbalance and they literally serve you whole matchup in like 5 sentences and than scream for imbalance. Jesus christ, just stop that..
Wr3k
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada2533 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-03 16:53:47
June 03 2010 16:52 GMT
#495
On June 04 2010 01:44 iCCup.Diamond wrote:
I say we just solve this thread with the epic Zerg vs. Mech showdown.


Agreed, nothing stirs up creative new ideas with a FIGHT TO THE DEATH.

queue music!

GodIsNotHere
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada395 Posts
June 03 2010 16:52 GMT
#496
On June 04 2010 01:43 Grimjim wrote:
The people claiming Mech is beatable and not OP are Terran players content with 1A'ing their ball of metal death into any Zerg and insta-winning. Don't give me shit like "Oh, but we are immobile and we rely on positioning." Every map is a fucking fish bowl made of nothing but choke points. You hit a button and your army becomes invincible. That sure does take skill.

Yeah, it's beatable, but the Zerg player has to play absolutely perfectly, be at a constant 140 APM, do dozens of things correctly, harass constantly, capitalize on any mistakes made by the Terran player, be ahead economically, and only then will maybe barely win.

Meanwhile the Terran player can sit at 30 APM, macro up ez mode, push out and win. He doesn't have to react to anything the Zerg player does, except build a few missile turrets. Why the hell should he win when he does so much less than the Zerg player?

All these high level replays tell us nothing, because the game is played by tens of thousands of people that aren't that good. Yeah, a few dozen Zerg can beat it. But there's tens of thousands who can't. So your answer is "Get better?" Maybe you should have taken your own advice when it came to Void Rays huh?

Pathetic.

Thats one hell of an angry rant if Ive ever seen one an you didn't do much besides imply every terran that uses mech is a scrub which isn't very constructive. Terrans other options? Go Bio an get raped by plague spam an rouch/hydra... so can you blame them for using alot of tanks?
In War: Resolution. In Defeat: Defiance. In Victory: Magnanimity. In Peace: Goodwill.
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
June 03 2010 16:53 GMT
#497
On June 04 2010 01:52 Wr3k wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2010 01:44 iCCup.Diamond wrote:
I say we just solve this thread with the epic Zerg vs. Mech showdown.


Agreed, nothing like stirring up some creative new ideas with a FIGHT TO THE DEATH.

queue music!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWnJyKQACXA&feature=fvst


LOL! Perfect video, too funny!

Let's do it. Seriously.
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
warshop
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada490 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-03 16:59:22
June 03 2010 16:57 GMT
#498
I'm so down for these showmatches. Seriously, who would vote no? The more, the merrier.

Edit : I'd also like to point out that Sen & TLO are utterly badasses. Man, they are awesome.
GeorgeForeman
Profile Joined April 2005
United States1746 Posts
June 03 2010 16:59 GMT
#499
I don't recall a BW game where the zerg player let the terran have equal bases/equal gas the whole game and won. So I don't get why zerg should be able to fail to out-expand their opponent and win in SC2.

That said, I agree that T3 zerg is crap right now, and minor buffs to the Ultralisk aren't going to change that.
like a school bus through a bunch of kids
Uranium
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1077 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-03 17:00:23
June 03 2010 16:59 GMT
#500
From SC1 to SC2 both Tanks and Zerglings got AI buffs. Tanks shoot smarter and Zerglings run better.

However the Tank got a DPS buff and a splash buff, while the Zergling got a DPS nerf. Additionally the combined bunched Zergling AI + no tank overkill = Zerglings are fucking useless now. They used to be decent at killing tanks if you could get enough of them in range. Oh did I mention no more Dark Swarm?

Solution: Nerf tank AI, buff Zergling DPS, bring back Dark Swarm!
"Sentry imba! You see? YOU SEE??!!" - Sen | "Marauder die die!" - oGsMC | "Oh my god, she texted me back!" - Day[9]
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