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Wonderballs
Canada253 Posts
SC2 they are on the top of the units. I find case A > case B. When mass amount of units are present. It is my understanding that seeing the actual models instead of a cluster of health bars would be more beneficial. To address the argument that the health bars are easier to see, I suggest that the colour of the bar is enough to easily distinguish the % of the unit. As for Colour Blindness... make it an option!! (The bars on top or bottom, not the eyesight.) Thanks for listening | ||
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puttputt
Canada240 Posts
On June 01 2010 06:54 Wonderballs wrote: As for Colour Blindness... make it an option!! (The bars on top or bottom, not the eyesight.) As a colour deficient individual, I cannot stress this enough. It is VERY VERY difficult to know which units are yours in mirror match ups. | ||
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waffling1
599 Posts
[s]at the verry least, allow the option. (but i think it should be default/fixed on bottom)[s] edit: nvm. on top is better (the way it is now). u can't see health of units in a cluster. there's always the alt button and options to have it permanant or toggle. plus, we might say "health bars can be forced to be in front of everything" then if u have a unit with a health bar on bottom, but another unit is below/in front of it, then the healthbar will be of the behind unit, but in front of the front unit. messy, potentially confusing. | ||
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collective
Canada138 Posts
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EleanorRIgby
Canada3923 Posts
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
It might be a problem if you are trying to snipe single units, for example when feedbacking ghosts. Then again, Ghosts have an energy bar, so you can "snipe the energy bars". | ||
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Chaoz
United States507 Posts
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ryanAnger
United States838 Posts
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IrT4nkz
229 Posts
On June 01 2010 07:10 ryanAnger wrote: Speaking of Health bars, does anyone know if there is a way to turn the health bar shaders down, so i could have them on all the time, but at like 50% opacity? Not at the moment | ||
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Wonderballs
Canada253 Posts
_and I had posted something like this on the Blizzard suggestion forum a couple times, but apparently TL.net is more supportive of rational ideas. | ||
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metasonic
United States115 Posts
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SarcasticOne
Australia213 Posts
On June 01 2010 07:07 spinesheath wrote: I actually prefer the bars on top. I don't find it too hard to identify single units except for cases where it doesn't matter anyways. With the bars at the top, it is easy to treat damage units accordingly (transfusion, retreat). It might be a problem if you are trying to snipe single units, for example when feedbacking ghosts. Then again, Ghosts have an energy bar, so you can "snipe the energy bars". i didnt think you could see enemy energy bars... also, picking out one or 2 ghosts in a MM ball is a pain (and i'm a terran player!) | ||
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Lite.wasalreadytaken
Canada42 Posts
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Lobotomist
United States1541 Posts
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101TFP
420 Posts
On June 01 2010 07:33 Wonderballs wrote: 50% opacity or a slider option would be swell as well. I think a whole column section should be dedicated to the health bar options in starcraft 2. _and I had posted something like this on the Blizzard suggestion forum a couple times, but apparently TL.net is more supportive of rational ideas. i don't think this would work too well, depending on what is behind the see-through bar it could be rather difficult to "read" the bars correctly the best option would be to make the health bars much smaller by removing the oldschool box-style. they already got the health bars perfectly right in warcraft 3, not too small, not too big, easily distinguished. in wc3 it is so much easier to find the wounded units in the heat of battle. | ||
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wankey
98 Posts
They need to be on the bottom, or at least squeezed thineer with more squares (double the # of squares) | ||
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Elite00fm
United States548 Posts
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wankey
98 Posts
Here are the results: ![[image loading]](http://img3.imageshack.us/i/yamatocannon1.jpg/) You can clearly see the health bars are a lot smaller. | ||
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cocosoft
Sweden1068 Posts
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Philip2110
Scotland798 Posts
On June 19 2010 08:56 cocosoft wrote: Having the health bars above sounds more logical for me. Me too but thats probably just because im used to it that way | ||
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Wonderballs
Canada253 Posts
On June 19 2010 08:49 wankey wrote: I have made a 1:1 comparision to the size of Starcraft 1 health bars if they were the same resolution (I made a SC1 screenshot with buildings in it the same size as a SC2 building, ie a terran barracks in SC1 to a terran barracks in SC2) Here are the results: You can clearly see the health bars are a lot smaller. I like what you did, if the healthbars for buildings were to scale in length, it would look pretty sweet imo  | ||
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Suc
Australia1569 Posts
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Apolo
Portugal1259 Posts
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AdahnSC
United States376 Posts
then again, i dont see it as that big of a differences so obviously the option to put health bars on the bottom would be at least a somewhat good idea. also having not played sc2 with health bars on bottom i cannot honestly say how big of a difference it would make, only speculate. | ||
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genotyrant
Cambodia46 Posts
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xOchievax
United States69 Posts
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Wr3k
Canada2533 Posts
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abrasion
Australia722 Posts
http://abrasion.shackspace.com/healthbars.gif | ||
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Sentient
United States437 Posts
On June 19 2010 10:13 abrasion wrote: I'm just sad they ignored my suggestions. http://abrasion.shackspace.com/healthbars.gif They've addressed that before actually. They prefer the dividers as an art-style thing. | ||
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Backpack
United States1776 Posts
UAC BJF LQP Lets say each letter is a unit, with health bars on top, they obscure UACBJF with healthbars below they obscure BJFLQP. Unless i'm not understanding what you mean by having health bars below | ||
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wankey
98 Posts
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Subversion
South Africa3627 Posts
Opacity, top/bottom, size etc. | ||
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danl9rm
United States3111 Posts
and health bars above is way better. | ||
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MiyaviTeddy
Canada697 Posts
Though it's better for small scale battles. | ||
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Sylvr
United States524 Posts
Ideally, what I'd like to see is the Health Bars having an enormous amount of customization. Width, Length, Color, Border, Texture, Opacity, Angle (I wouldn't mind trying out Vertical bars once or twice), Position, Always on, Always off, Alt Hold, Alt Toggle, Smooth, Segmented, etc. When I was playing WoW, I had an add-on called IceHud that gave me all of these options and more. It was fantastic. | ||
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DefMatrixUltra
Canada1992 Posts
On June 19 2010 12:38 Sylvr wrote: In any case, I don't particularly like the way Health Bars are working right now. They obscure entirely too much of a large battle if you have them on, and it's more difficult to micro with them off. Since Day[9]'s daily on it, I expect to see Mass Queen played a bit more in ZvZ, and it is absolutely essential to be able to see both your units, and their health bars at the same time. Ideally, what I'd like to see is the Health Bars having an enormous amount of customization. Width, Length, Color, Border, Texture, Opacity, Angle (I wouldn't mind trying out Vertical bars once or twice), Position, Always on, Always off, Alt Hold, Alt Toggle, Smooth, Segmented, etc. When I was playing WoW, I had an add-on called IceHud that gave me all of these options and more. It was fantastic. I think having highly customizable healthbars or any other UI element is going to be a "balance" issue. WoW is an extreme case of this because people with a smart set of add-ons are playing an entirely different game - they can do very difficult tasks with extreme ease. I'd also absolutely despise it if I had to update my health bar add-ons dependent upon race and map (since different maps have different light levels etc.) to be competitive. I think the best thing to do is to just make their footprint smaller. That would satisfy (almost) everyone. I can't imagine anyone wanting bigger, more visible healthbars. If they make them just very slightly thinner (vertically) and give them just even 10-15% transparency (a very small amount), they would look 100x better. Their color is fine because it contrasts heavily with literally every other color in the game. They have a very nice border and look good apart from just having too big a visual impact. If they were just the tiniest bit more subtle, that would remove 95% of problems with them. The other problems, I'm not sure of a smart solution. | ||
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Rabiator
Germany3948 Posts
Personally I prefer the health bars on the top. | ||
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RogerChillingworth
Chad3132 Posts
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Despotic
United States10 Posts
On June 19 2010 09:33 genotyrant wrote: I would like to see options to customize it. Top, bottom, opacity, none at all, whatever have you. Single box at the head of the unit that uses the same gradual system of green to red for % of health. Would greatly improve visibility and allow for low health micro. I can dream :3 | ||
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Panoptic
United Kingdom515 Posts
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figq
12519 Posts
As of now "Top" has advantage when using mixed ground and air army - if it was under units, then either: - air units healths would mess with all the ground, if health is shown at the ground point of each unit - or, health will confuse positions for air and ground, because for ground it would be where they are, but for air it would be way above their actual map point Also remember, the main reason why it isn't as clear as BW is that this is not 2D, depending on terrains and angles it is expected for healths to overlap more often. The cure is to get used to controlling the camera when needed. As for bottom/top customizations - I actually prefer this to be chosen as some standard, so that it doesn't cause confusion every now and then, if you view completely different configuration. You should understand that excessive customization is not always a good thing. | ||
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Error Ash
Germany177 Posts
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soverRR
Sweden348 Posts
On June 19 2010 17:37 Despotic wrote: Single box at the head of the unit that uses the same gradual system of green to red for % of health. Would greatly improve visibility and allow for low health micro. I can dream :3 I can dream with you. \o/ (Great idea.) | ||
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