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On June 03 2010 03:28 eyefrag wrote:
One more thing that bothers me: Blizzard's stated reason for region locking is that the latency between regions is unacceptably high, but then Frank Pearce accepts purchasing a second copy of SCII as a legitimate method to get around the region lock? Shouldn't this be against the terms of use if latency is the actual concern here? Blizzard, you're really leaving me with only one conclusion that I can draw...
Yeah, there's a reason it was this interview that started the massive rage. It's just full of shit. Big chunks of it.
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On June 03 2010 03:15 FrozenArbiter wrote:Show nested quote +The hardcore of the hardcore seem to be the smallest portion of the pie to please. Probably because they're the ones with the highest, almost ridiculous, expectations. Expecting Battle.net 2.0 to have at least as many features as Battle.net 1.0 is your definition of "ridiculous expectations"?
Yeah, that wasnt the best choice of words. Let me see if I can reiterate....
The hardcore of the hardcore are probably the most passionate for this game. Understandably. We love Starcraft and only want to see it flourish and be a great experience like it was with 1.0. With the approach that Blizzard appears to be taking with 2.0, and how it appears that Blizzard is not responding to any of our requests for additional features, or not cooperating, shouldnt be taken so...harshly.
Give it time, I say. Rage and Hate is all I see if the majority of posts based on whats going on. And the misconception that Blizzard is greedy. And how many people on here claim that Blizzard is in just for the money, when they fail to realize that Blizzard works under Vivendi games. Vivendi, in the end, will be calling the shots. Their the parent company supporting Blizzard. Its simple business.
I just dont enjoy seeing so much hate on whats going on with 2.0, when it hasnt even been out for a year. I understand its less than ideal atm, but come on. We're not a bunch of 5th graders being pissed off about our juice box being taken away.
There is definitely more constructive ways of looking at the situation as oppose to "Blizz is greedy, Im gonna 1 star SC2 on Amazon." Guess what, you're only gonna end up hurting yourself.
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On June 03 2010 03:25 MelonPan wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2010 03:10 Afterhours wrote:
The hardcore of the hardcore seem to be the smallest portion of the pie to please. Probably because they're the ones with the highest, almost ridiculous, expectations.
Were you born stupid? It's the hardcore that kept the game alive for so long,
In Korea. Its nowhere near is big in the West Coast. And Im pretty sure Blizz was supporting the Pro scene there anyways, so it wasnt just the hardcore keeping the game alive.
is it really too much to ask for the same features that were already in Bnet 1.0 and which clearly almost everyone wants back in Bnet 2.0.
Not at all, but change seems to the hardest thing for people to adapt to. And 2.0 hasnt even been out for a year. Let change happen over time. Dont wanna wait? Thats cool, go play another game til you think 2.0 is ready for you.
Without the hardcore you wouldn't even have tournaments, decade old updated community websites, so I'm wondering... what the fuck are you even doing here since you're amongst the hardcore.
Wondering why the hardcore have such a negative attitude, to be honest. I understand your upset about 2.0, but seriously, making a poll to 1 star SC2 on amazon? Real slick there, cowboy. Thats gonna solve everything. -shrugs- Ive got a lot of patience, and nothing but time to see 2.0 change and evolve into something everyone will enjoy.
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On June 03 2010 03:32 Afterhours wrote:
And the misconception that Blizzard is greedy.
Orly?
Give me one piece of evidence when it comes to Bnet 2.0 design that shows they are something other than greedy? Every. Single. Thing. they have decided is an obvious setup for microtransactions and more money funnels. Premium maps. No chat to organize independent tournaments. No xrealm but if you really want it? Oh yeah, buy more $60 copies (lol). No LAN? Piracy (could argue it's legitimate) but also wanting complete control over potential ESPORTS events.
Every single decision when it comes to Bnet 2.0 is about money. If you don't find it obvious by now, you are hopelessly naive.
Sc2 is a pretty damn good game and balance seems to be slowly but surely getting better. This is good, congratulations to the designers of the actual game.
however...
Bnet 2.0 is a steaming pile of shit designed to curbstomp any independence of the players/event organizers and maximize profits, all this at the cost of massive feature cuts. There's no reason to pretend otherwise.
If you claim this is healthy for the future of the Sc/Sc2 community, you're probably a Blizzard employee posting here to do PR/Damage control.
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On June 03 2010 03:32 Afterhours wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2010 03:15 FrozenArbiter wrote:The hardcore of the hardcore seem to be the smallest portion of the pie to please. Probably because they're the ones with the highest, almost ridiculous, expectations. Expecting Battle.net 2.0 to have at least as many features as Battle.net 1.0 is your definition of "ridiculous expectations"? Yeah, that wasnt the best choice of words. Let me see if I can reiterate.... The hardcore of the hardcore are probably the most passionate for this game. Understandably. We love Starcraft and only want to see it flourish and be a great experience like it was with 1.0. With the approach that Blizzard appears to be taking with 2.0, and how it appears that Blizzard is not responding to any of our requests for additional features, or not cooperating, shouldnt be taken so...harshly. Give it time, I say. Rage and Hate is all I see if the majority of posts based on whats going on. And the misconception that Blizzard is greedy. And how many people on here claim that Blizzard is in just for the money, when they fail to realize that Blizzard works under Vivendi games. Vivendi, in the end, will be calling the shots. Their the parent company supporting Blizzard. Its simple business. I just dont enjoy seeing so much hate on whats going on with 2.0, when it hasnt even been out for a year. I understand its less than ideal atm, but come on. We're not a bunch of 5th graders being pissed off about our juice box being taken away. There is definitely more constructive ways of looking at the situation as oppose to "Blizz is greedy, Im gonna 1 star SC2 on Amazon." Guess what, you're only gonna end up hurting yourself.
People rage for a reason. When the VP of product development state with arrogance that the final product will be lacking several features that are basic and fundamental, people rage.
Blizzard can have any model it wants. And we, the costumers, should complain if it does not fullfill our expectations.
Another thing that I think you are wrong: it is not only the hardcore players complaining. In every site about starcraft and battle.net there are threads with people angry with those decisions.
I love watching starcraft 1 and 2 and play it casually. I'm not a hardcore player and I find battle.net 2.0 as it is, ridiculous.
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On June 03 2010 03:40 Afterhours wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2010 03:25 MelonPan wrote:On June 03 2010 03:10 Afterhours wrote:
The hardcore of the hardcore seem to be the smallest portion of the pie to please. Probably because they're the ones with the highest, almost ridiculous, expectations.
Were you born stupid? It's the hardcore that kept the game alive for so long, In Korea. Its nowhere near is big in the West Coast. And Im pretty sure Blizz was supporting the Pro scene there anyways, so it wasnt just the hardcore keeping the game alive.Yes, we can clearly see how supportive and "involved" Blizz was with the pro scene, Blizz wasn't even noticeable during all those years. I guess that's why they've taken such drastic steps against KeSPA... The Pro scene evolved from the fans and the players, not because Blizz was "supporting" it. Show nested quote +is it really too much to ask for the same features that were already in Bnet 1.0 and which clearly almost everyone wants back in Bnet 2.0. Not at all, but change seems to the hardest thing for people to adapt to. And 2.0 hasnt even been out for a year. Let change happen over time. Dont wanna wait? Thats cool, go play another game til you think 2.0 is ready for you.Yea sure, I'm pretty sure that the fans of Infinity Ward's Modern Warfare 2 hoped for that too, dedicated server support? Nope, nothing there. Only DLC packs to support "Activision" instead. Same for Xbox Live, increased Friends List after all those years of asking for it? Nope, still nothing. And having to wait with the possibility of those features not being implemented at all in the near future? no thank you.. Show nested quote +
Without the hardcore you wouldn't even have tournaments, decade old updated community websites, so I'm wondering... what the fuck are you even doing here since you're amongst the hardcore.
Wondering why the hardcore have such a negative attitude, to be honest. I understand your upset about 2.0, but seriously, making a poll to 1 star SC2 on amazon? Real slick there, cowboy. Thats gonna solve everything. -shrugs- Ive got a lot of patience, and nothing but time to see 2.0 change and evolve into something everyone will enjoy. Well, that's nice.. it seems you have the time to wait, you can't expect others to wait for a long time even if they are the greatest fans. We want to buy and play in the best possible environment and we want to meet people from the start in something known as centralized country channels because lots of old players will return and wanting to make contacts with other former players. But where will they go now.. be lucky that they join your game and recognize your former nickname if we are even using our old nicknames at all.. jeez, you must be happy with facebook implementation. The feature which noone gives a shit about and which was so proudly announced.
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On June 03 2010 03:30 shlomo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2010 03:28 eyefrag wrote:
One more thing that bothers me: Blizzard's stated reason for region locking is that the latency between regions is unacceptably high, but then Frank Pearce accepts purchasing a second copy of SCII as a legitimate method to get around the region lock? Shouldn't this be against the terms of use if latency is the actual concern here? Blizzard, you're really leaving me with only one conclusion that I can draw... Yeah, there's a reason it was this interview that started the massive rage. It's just full of shit. Big chunks of it.
Guys, the tech just doesn't exist yet! Well, not without an extra $60 it doesn't...
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On June 03 2010 04:26 numberThirtyOne wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2010 03:30 shlomo wrote:On June 03 2010 03:28 eyefrag wrote:
One more thing that bothers me: Blizzard's stated reason for region locking is that the latency between regions is unacceptably high, but then Frank Pearce accepts purchasing a second copy of SCII as a legitimate method to get around the region lock? Shouldn't this be against the terms of use if latency is the actual concern here? Blizzard, you're really leaving me with only one conclusion that I can draw... Yeah, there's a reason it was this interview that started the massive rage. It's just full of shit. Big chunks of it. Guys, the tech just doesn't exist yet! Well, not without an extra $60 it doesn't...
I think its just crazy how they aren't having multiple regions of battle.net if they were serious about e-Sports it would be there along with LAN but:
+ Show Spoiler +
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SC2 is amazing. That is what makes this so frustrating. If the gameplay matched the quality put into B.net2.0 I would walk away without sweating it... I can't though. SC2 is such a good game I'm going to atleast try and put up with their BS.
I kind of wished SC2 sucked, it would make walking away from an obviously poor business/design decission easier.
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On June 03 2010 04:26 numberThirtyOne wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2010 03:30 shlomo wrote:On June 03 2010 03:28 eyefrag wrote:
One more thing that bothers me: Blizzard's stated reason for region locking is that the latency between regions is unacceptably high, but then Frank Pearce accepts purchasing a second copy of SCII as a legitimate method to get around the region lock? Shouldn't this be against the terms of use if latency is the actual concern here? Blizzard, you're really leaving me with only one conclusion that I can draw... Yeah, there's a reason it was this interview that started the massive rage. It's just full of shit. Big chunks of it. Guys, the tech just doesn't exist yet! Well, not without an extra $60 it doesn't...
Cross-realm play was possible in Warcraft 3, you know...
Edit: I just played a few games in HoN with europeans and americans on european and us east servers...latency was not of an issue at all.
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On June 03 2010 04:32 Archibo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2010 04:26 numberThirtyOne wrote:On June 03 2010 03:30 shlomo wrote:On June 03 2010 03:28 eyefrag wrote:
One more thing that bothers me: Blizzard's stated reason for region locking is that the latency between regions is unacceptably high, but then Frank Pearce accepts purchasing a second copy of SCII as a legitimate method to get around the region lock? Shouldn't this be against the terms of use if latency is the actual concern here? Blizzard, you're really leaving me with only one conclusion that I can draw... Yeah, there's a reason it was this interview that started the massive rage. It's just full of shit. Big chunks of it. Guys, the tech just doesn't exist yet! Well, not without an extra $60 it doesn't... Cross-realm play was possible in Warcraft 3, you know... Edit: I just played a few games in HoN with europeans and americans on european and us east servers...latency was not of an issue at all.
dude he's being sarcastic
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It's bad enough that we get a gimped version of bnet2.0, but what really irks me is that this game is going to be priced at $60plus or whatever and you get get your privacy raped. The reason why people who are aware of how bad facebook is with privacy tolerate that shit is because it's free.
Not only are users getting plowed in the ass for $60+ with SC2, but you're getting a reach around from a dude with sandpaper balled in his fist for your troubles. The information that they will gather and surely pawn off will net a boatload of money. The least Blizzard could do is supply the community with a half decent online play.
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Well first i wasnt sure of buying the game but now, seeing how arrogant and ignorant blizzard actes ( not only in the interview but also in the blue posts) ,i won't. I'm sure that i will if things change but currently.. no way.
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I canceled my preorder a few days ago
just after reading this
i really hoped that starcraft2 and battle.net 2.0
would be just what i wanted for so long
i played nearly every game of blizzard
but now blizz really disapointed me
i guess primary aims of blizzard have changed....
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Just a quick question. This thread reached 100 pages in 3-4 days? How does that rank up with other big TL threads?
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On June 03 2010 05:26 Archerofaiur wrote:
Just a quick question. This thread reached 100 pages in 3-4 days? How does that rank up with other big TL threads?
If we take your posts out of it though, we're still probably at around 30 pages. 
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On June 03 2010 05:28 Takkara wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2010 05:26 Archerofaiur wrote:
Just a quick question. This thread reached 100 pages in 3-4 days? How does that rank up with other big TL threads? If we take your posts out of it though, we're still probably at around 30 pages.
Fun fact: Ive actually made 8000 fake TL accounts to prop up the OP polls :p
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On June 03 2010 03:46 shlomo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2010 03:32 Afterhours wrote:
And the misconception that Blizzard is greedy. Orly? Give me one piece of evidence when it comes to Bnet 2.0 design that shows they are something other than greedy? Every. Single. Thing. they have decided is an obvious setup for microtransactions and more money funnels. Premium maps. No chat to organize independent tournaments. No xrealm but if you really want it? Oh yeah, buy more $60 copies (lol). No LAN? Piracy (could argue it's legitimate) but also wanting complete control over potential ESPORTS events. Every single decision when it comes to Bnet 2.0 is about money. If you don't find it obvious by now, you are hopelessly naive. Sc2 is a pretty damn good game and balance seems to be slowly but surely getting better. This is good, congratulations to the designers of the actual game. however...Bnet 2.0 is a steaming pile of shit designed to curbstomp any independence of the players/event organizers and maximize profits, all this at the cost of massive feature cuts. There's no reason to pretend otherwise. If you claim this is healthy for the future of the Sc/Sc2 community, you're probably a Blizzard employee posting here to do PR/Damage control.
2 sides to every story, and nobody is forcing you to buy something you dont want. Just sayin. But Ill quit posting for now. It seems enthusiasm is met with an iron fist of rage.
Do Blizzard Employees come to non-company sites and post on forums in hopes of swaying their players? O.o I doubt it. And if they did, you can already see how effective that is...
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Not everyone is upset is just rage posting.. I hate to see occasional posts in here of "oh you're just raging, it will be fine, roll over on your back and enjoy it while you can!"
So uneducated, so ridiculous.
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