• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 18:52
CET 00:52
KST 08:52
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13
Community News
[TLMC] Fall/Winter 2025 Ladder Map Rotation13Weekly Cups (Nov 3-9): Clem Conquers in Canada4SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA8StarCraft, SC2, HotS, WC3, Returning to Blizzcon!45$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship7
StarCraft 2
General
[TLMC] Fall/Winter 2025 Ladder Map Rotation Mech is the composition that needs teleportation t RotterdaM "Serral is the GOAT, and it's not close" RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 3 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest Tenacious Turtle Tussle Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2)
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 500 Fright night Mutation # 499 Chilling Adaptation Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened
Brood War
General
FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ What happened to TvZ on Retro? SnOw's ASL S20 Finals Review BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL21] RO32 Group D - Sunday 21:00 CET [BSL21] RO32 Group C - Saturday 21:00 CET
Strategy
PvZ map balance Current Meta Simple Questions, Simple Answers How to stay on top of macro?
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile Clair Obscur - Expedition 33 Should offensive tower rushing be viable in RTS games? Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread About SC2SEA.COM Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Dyadica Gospel – a Pulp No…
Hildegard
Coffee x Performance in Espo…
TrAiDoS
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Reality "theory" prov…
perfectspheres
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2258 users

GOM TV/Blizzard Sign Exclusive Broadcast Agreement - Page 31

Forum Index > SC2 General
1112 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 29 30 31 32 33 56 Next
ahwala
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany402 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-27 13:05:59
May 27 2010 12:49 GMT
#601
On May 27 2010 13:27 bias- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2010 09:54 some korean netizen wrote:
블리자드 ㅂㅈ들 잘됐다 난 이참에 스타 끊어야겠다
>> Good job Blizzard you retards I'm going to use this opportunity to stop starcraft


I'm along these lines.

I might still keep track and check in once and a while. But even now, I follow SC2 much much less than I do SC1.. because as a spectator, I feel it is simply not as fun to watch. With all this added drama before the game is even out... and it all being about money and not the community... I really just want to be participating to boycott the bullshit. Wish there was some petition (is there?) or something many people, foreign + korean, could take part in to deliver the message that we want a great community and culture just like SC1... and that this is a lot less likely to happen if things keep up (going down) at the current rate.

Anyone feel similar?



I do.

On May 27 2010 17:24 Letmelose wrote:
There's not enough money in E-Sports for everyone to have a big piece of the pie.

Here is how big the scene is.

There are two cable channels dedicated to the coverage of E-Sports; OGN and MBC Game. Each broadcasting channel has an individual league, but that's not where the money is. The money is in the Proleague, with the corporate sponsored teams duking it out for glory. The corporations that are funding the teams ARE Kespa, and they OWN the players. They get no direct profit from the scene other than the exposure they get on television.

GomTV has no television channel of their own. It's just an internet broadcasting system. While it makes no difference for the average non-Korean viewer. It is a HUGE difference for the Koreans. Yes, the hardcore fans will follow professional Starcraft no matter what the media is, but do you expect the corporate sponsors to keep the scene alive simply for the fans? Total bullshit. They're in it for the air time on television and public relations reasons.

I don't give two shits about bunch of money hungry whores playing their ego battles for what they feel they deserve, but what I DO care for is the scene that the PLAYERS have created through their dedication, their inhuman skills and passion for the game in general. The conditions under which they play are mind boggling, and not at all lucrative for the effort they put in, but things are better than they were before. You know why? Because E-Sports in Korea has developed from a select few gamers going around looking for tournament prizes to rake in, to having corporate sponsored teams that pays them (not much, unfortunately, in most cases) for what they do.

The moment the corporate sponsors lose control over the scene, that serves no function (in their minds) other than getting them exposure to nationwide younger audiences, I wouldn't be surprised if they ditched the scene for Blizzard to deal with. Or even worse, leave the scene in ruins, with Korea's finest gaming minds not able to showcase their skills ANYWHERE if Kespa makes them uphold their contracts with their teams (that are controlled by Kespa).

FUCK THAT. Fuck the English commentary by GomTV. Fuck Blizzard for getting their share. Fuck Starcaft 2. Blizzard doesn't feed the scene. Blizzard didn't create the scene. There's already one money hungry whore running the scene for what little market it has (it's NOT that big I assure you), but at least it is willing to keep the teams running (and the teams pay the players, and the players ARE the scene). What makes you people think Blizzard is willing to spend millions running the teams? Blizzard is in it for the money, just like Kespa.

If the corporate sponsors that run Kespa don't feel like the E-Sports industry isn't worth giving Blizzard what they desire, we'll be left with Blizzard and GomTV running the scene with what is left over from the scene. A bunch of unpaid teenagers. No television coverage. Falling interest from the Korean viewers. It doesn't matter how good Starcaft 2 is. We'll have to start all over, and there's no guarantee that it'll work again this time. Blizzard are money hungry whores. At least Kespa doesn't hide it.


Thanks for that quality post.
MageKirby
Profile Joined July 2009
United States535 Posts
May 27 2010 12:51 GMT
#602
As long as I get good games with entertaining commentators, I don't care lol
Mojawi)SoJu
Profile Joined April 2010
Korea (South)259 Posts
May 27 2010 12:59 GMT
#603
[image loading]


from PlayXP
#1 김택용 팬 | #1 화승 오즈 프로게임단 팬 | 스타2 하자! | 나를 찢어갈겨 이 씨발놈아 왜 나를 미치게 만들어 니가 뭘 아는데?
iounas
Profile Joined July 2008
409 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-27 13:01:14
May 27 2010 12:59 GMT
#604
On May 27 2010 21:39 snowdrift86 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2010 20:59 Milkis wrote:
http://www.fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=107165&db=issue&cate=&page=1&field=&kwrd=

Agreement between GOM TV and Blizzard is a confidential agreement.

Secret Agreement, first step towards tyranny. gg.

http://admin09.fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=107166&db=issue

CJ has nothing to do with GOM TV or the decision -- they're just a stock holder and really have no say in their decisions.


How big of a shareholder are they? If they don't have any measure of control over GOMTV, this means war. This could really reduce the entire proscene to internet streams. Good luck attracting new sponsors or keeping old ones onboard. Fuck this

I think 25%.. They wont be any better than foreign scene..
IdrA: stalkers actually do negative damage. when you shoot a marine with a stalker it gains health.
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
May 27 2010 13:02 GMT
#605
The agreement is meaningless wrt to BW. Kespa (which includes CJ media and MBC) just have to ignore this or they can always go to court if they want to. No Korean court would rule on the side of Blizzard.
영원히 엠비씨게임 히어로 팬.
MaYuu
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Sweden516 Posts
May 27 2010 13:03 GMT
#606
Wow, I can see the major blizzard hate in a year or two.

I can imagine blizzard employees sitting at their office:

"- Wow, sc:bw is really going strong in south korea....
- Is there any way we can take credit for it?
- Bah, no they got their e-sports association.
- Well if we can't get any money from it, let's demand that we get to control everything with IP rights
- Yeah, if it all goes well the sc:bw scene will die out without TV airtime and everyone will buy our new game.
- Yeah, good thing Dustin made the game with 2 expansions so we can triple our sales.
- Well, that is if they buy both expansion, majority knows that the every game (except brood war and the frozen throne) goes shit after the first expansion.
- Yeah, I wonder why."

Damn I miss Blizzard North. T_T
ehh`?
mastakilla[Xp]
Profile Joined October 2007
Germany93 Posts
May 27 2010 13:03 GMT
#607
If this kill the korean BW-League, I don't like Blizzard anymore. It's all about money und power
Cri du Chat
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany606 Posts
May 27 2010 13:03 GMT
#608
So basically Blizzard kills Progaming for short-term profit ?
Why am i not surprised.
night terrors
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
China1284 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-27 13:06:58
May 27 2010 13:06 GMT
#609
I know one liners that dont add anything to the conversation are frowned upon but.. other posters have stated the worst case scenario and


fuck you blizzard, way to be the bully of the block.
Through high and low, bisu boy, through high and low.
itsMAHVELbaybee
Profile Joined October 2008
292 Posts
May 27 2010 13:06 GMT
#610
Things change, people change.

The fans will ultimately be the decider. Let's be honest though, beating the dead stick of a 10 year old game? Well let's not say it to be dead, but definitely not going to grow from where it is right now. SC1 leagues can maintain their success but definitely can't replicate some of the stuff from 5+ years ago, but some would probably like the challenge of a new game, greener pastures and whatnot.

However, when people switch, there's no going back in my opinion. Although I think it is an interesting dynamic for players though. Keep up with your SC1 failures? or goto SC2 for a new experience?

A lot of you guys a bunch of babies, seriously.
I am boss. -Minami-ke
HeIios
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2523 Posts
May 27 2010 13:07 GMT
#611
Lets play broodwar for another 10 years, maybe the "hardcore" fans are ready to move on then. Probably not.
MaYuu
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Sweden516 Posts
May 27 2010 13:09 GMT
#612
On May 27 2010 22:06 itsMAHVELbaybee wrote:
Things change, people change.

The fans will ultimately be the decider. Let's be honest though, beating the dead stick of a 10 year old game? Well let's not say it to be dead, but definitely not going to grow from where it is right now. SC1 leagues can maintain their success but definitely can't replicate some of the stuff from 5+ years ago, but some would probably like the challenge of a new game, greener pastures and whatnot.

However, when people switch, there's no going back in my opinion. Although I think it is an interesting dynamic for players though. Keep up with your SC1 failures? or goto SC2 for a new experience?

A lot of you guys a bunch of babies, seriously.


Even if BW was going stronger five years ago, it's still the biggest e-sport in the world, unchallenged.
This is not only a major step back for BW and Korean e-sports but also a big step back for any e-sport. If BW were to fail, what other game would succeed?
ehh`?
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-27 13:13:01
May 27 2010 13:10 GMT
#613
Fuck you Blizzard.
Sincerely.

Good luck if you want to close Iccup lol.

User was temp banned for this post.
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
snowdrift
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France2061 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-27 13:15:56
May 27 2010 13:11 GMT
#614
On May 27 2010 21:59 iounas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2010 21:39 snowdrift86 wrote:
On May 27 2010 20:59 Milkis wrote:
http://www.fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=107165&db=issue&cate=&page=1&field=&kwrd=

Agreement between GOM TV and Blizzard is a confidential agreement.

Secret Agreement, first step towards tyranny. gg.

http://admin09.fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=107166&db=issue

CJ has nothing to do with GOM TV or the decision -- they're just a stock holder and really have no say in their decisions.


How big of a shareholder are they? If they don't have any measure of control over GOMTV, this means war. This could really reduce the entire proscene to internet streams. Good luck attracting new sponsors or keeping old ones onboard. Fuck this

I think 25%.. They wont be any better than foreign scene..


Yes, according to this pdf from 2007, CJ owns 24.5% of Gretech (p17).

Hostile takeover needed ASAP
NaDa. Our Lord and sAviOr shall return. Learn to nydus you scrub
DreamOen
Profile Joined March 2010
Spain1400 Posts
May 27 2010 13:12 GMT
#615
I expect that ,do not go on the detriment of the e-sport and it develope.
Tester | MC | Crank | Flash | Jaedong | MVP
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
May 27 2010 13:16 GMT
#616
On May 27 2010 22:10 Boblion wrote:
Fuck you Blizzard.
Sincerely.

Good luck if you want to close Iccup lol.


They wouldn't need it if they wanted to close iccup they could in a heart beat...
When I think of something else, something will go here
Ryo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
8787 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-27 13:24:43
May 27 2010 13:22 GMT
#617
On May 27 2010 22:11 snowdrift86 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2010 21:59 iounas wrote:
On May 27 2010 21:39 snowdrift86 wrote:
On May 27 2010 20:59 Milkis wrote:
http://www.fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=107165&db=issue&cate=&page=1&field=&kwrd=

Agreement between GOM TV and Blizzard is a confidential agreement.

Secret Agreement, first step towards tyranny. gg.

http://admin09.fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=107166&db=issue

CJ has nothing to do with GOM TV or the decision -- they're just a stock holder and really have no say in their decisions.


How big of a shareholder are they? If they don't have any measure of control over GOMTV, this means war. This could really reduce the entire proscene to internet streams. Good luck attracting new sponsors or keeping old ones onboard. Fuck this

I think 25%.. They wont be any better than foreign scene..


Yes, according to this pdf from 2007, CJ owns 24.5% of Gretech (p17).

Hostile takeover needed ASAP


If CJ want to, they can. Then Blizzard would look even more retarded.

Blizzard are just grasping at straws. And if they actually think they can force Kespa's hand by doing this, then they have no idea how things work in Korea.

영원히 엠비씨게임 히어로 팬.
Pekkz
Profile Joined June 2009
Norway1505 Posts
May 27 2010 13:24 GMT
#618
On May 27 2010 20:58 MGren wrote:
I think Blizzard is way wrong here.

Why?

Compare with soccer. StarCraft is the ball. The company who makes the balls don't dictate the terms on how the balls are used, they just sell the balls.


Worst comparison ever.
WiljushkA
Profile Joined March 2006
Serbia1416 Posts
May 27 2010 13:25 GMT
#619
i cant believe someone is actually sad for the death of a scene built specifically around exploiting young kids with more love for the game than sense. i couldn't make myself watch progaming after all the posts on this forums about the reality of progaming.
"As much as I love the image of me F5-ing paypal every 15 minutes while fist pumping and screaming "SHIP THE MONEY BITCHES"" - Day9
Tidesson
Profile Joined April 2010
55 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-27 13:28:44
May 27 2010 13:27 GMT
#620
Looks like Blizzard finally made their stand: they don't give a flying fuck about the korean progaming scene. Sure they want it to grow worldwide, but they won't think twice if they have to chop off korea's head then so be it. In the end, both Blizzard and kespa are the same: they only care about money whatever they say about their "love for esports" is one big fat lie, don't be fooled. If it won't make their bank accounts grow it can go to hell. It's business. The fate of the scene always was in the sponsors' hands, not in blizzard's hands. I don't know how many people sees gomtv compared to ogn and mbc, but if the sponsors think it's not worth it, then it's over. And in the end the ones who get fucked up because of all this are us, the players and fans they "love".
Bobby Kotick: from now on, this company shall be called BeLizard. Derp derp.
Prev 1 29 30 31 32 33 56 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
23:00
WardiTV Mondays #59
CranKy Ducklings82
LiquipediaDiscussion
BSL 21
20:00
ProLeague - RO32 Group D
JDConan vs Semih
Dragon vs Dienmax
Tech vs NewOcean
TerrOr vs Artosis
ZZZero.O219
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Nathanias 201
Ketroc 55
StarCraft: Brood War
Artosis 485
ZZZero.O 219
NaDa 19
yabsab 7
Dota 2
monkeys_forever144
NeuroSwarm33
League of Legends
JimRising 424
Counter-Strike
fl0m1419
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox534
AZ_Axe126
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor182
Other Games
tarik_tv5788
Grubby4180
ToD159
Maynarde118
febbydoto5
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick914
EGCTV904
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 20 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 84
• RyuSc2 55
• musti20045 29
• HeavenSC 24
• Adnapsc2 12
• OhrlRock 1
• IndyKCrew
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• sooper7s
• intothetv
• Kozan
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota21354
• Ler59
League of Legends
• Doublelift3146
Other Games
• imaqtpie1748
Upcoming Events
Wardi Open
12h 8m
Monday Night Weeklies
17h 8m
Replay Cast
23h 8m
WardiTV Korean Royale
1d 12h
BSL: GosuLeague
1d 21h
The PondCast
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
RSL Revival
3 days
BSL: GosuLeague
3 days
RSL Revival
4 days
[ Show More ]
WardiTV Korean Royale
4 days
RSL Revival
5 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
5 days
IPSL
5 days
Julia vs Artosis
JDConan vs DragOn
RSL Revival
6 days
Wardi Open
6 days
IPSL
6 days
StRyKeR vs OldBoy
Sziky vs Tarson
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-11-14
Stellar Fest: Constellation Cup
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
CSCL: Masked Kings S3
SLON Tour Season 2
RSL Revival: Season 3
META Madness #9
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025

Upcoming

BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.