EPTI don't get why you would not play the actual game just because you don't like the fact that there are divisions etc.
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ymirheim
Sweden300 Posts
I don't get why you would not play the actual game just because you don't like the fact that there are divisions etc. | ||
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beakermimi
Ireland13 Posts
That being said... I don't like bnet as it is either. I don't like the interface or the league bullshit, but at the end of the day... everybody has been dealing with it fine so far so I guess i will get used to it eventually. | ||
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metasonic
United States115 Posts
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Mania[K]al
United States359 Posts
On May 23 2010 08:42 travis wrote: lots of people love WoW he's asking what makes it a steaming pile Joke instances, garbage pvp, fotm nerfs/buffs, addition of a hero class, horrible class balance... Should i go on. PS: Excluding instances, all the examples above can be directly related to SC2. | ||
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Spawkuring
United States755 Posts
On May 23 2010 08:39 Mania[K]al wrote: They got involved and thats why it turned into the steaming pile it is today. SC1 was left alone for ~8 years, its the most successful RTS game alive. Blizzard is now very involved in SC2 trying to make it how they think it should be and look at the outcome. We got Bnet 2.0. The problem isn't that Blizzard is getting involved. Blizzard has done lots of good things when they get involved. It's just that this time Blizzard is refusing to listen to any community feedback regarding SC2. Sometimes it feels like they're actively fighting against us or trying not to listen to us. Fans: Blizzard please give us chat channels. Even if some of them were spammy, a lot had a very strong community aspect. Blizzard: SHUT UP YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT! CHAT CHANNELS WERE A FAILURE! NOBODY LIKES THEM! Fans: Blizzard what about cross-region play. E-sports needs it to- Blizzard: SHUT UP WE DON'T NEED CROSS-REGION! WE'LL JUST PUT IT ONCE WE'RE DONE INTEGRATING TWITTER AND MYSPACE! Fans: Please stop making Terrans so overpowered. Blizzard: BUFF TERRANS! I'M NOT SEEING ENOUGH MARAUDERS!! Fans: Make Ultras more durable please, they can't withstand the terrible terrible damage. Blizzard: NERF THEIR HP! GIVE THEM MORE DAMAGE!! Fans: What about online replay viewing? Or fixing the built-in lag? Or the poor ladder UI? Or the arbitrary custom map 10mb limit? Or tournaments? Or clans? Blizzard: FUCK YOU! FACEBOOK IS MORE IMPORTANT! Fans: But this game is incomplete! What ever happened to "it's done when it's done"? What ever happened to the Blizzard who released games when they were finished? Blizzard: RELEASE IT NOW! MAKE IT GOOD AFTER EVERYONE BUYS IT! It's a damn shame since the game isn't too bad, but damn. They really must have been twiddling their thumbs for the past 7 years. | ||
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Mania[K]al
United States359 Posts
On May 23 2010 08:53 Spawkuring wrote: The problem isn't that Blizzard is getting involved. Blizzard has done lots of good things when they get involved. It's just that this time Blizzard is refusing to listen to any community feedback regarding SC2. Which is exactly why them getting involved is a bad thing. They listen to feedback, but only when it will appeal to the MASSES and not the actual hardcore gamers that will stick with the game for another 11 years. If they get more money by adding facebook over chatrooms, they'll do it. And guess what? They did. | ||
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Tinithor
United States1552 Posts
On May 23 2010 06:08 ymirheim wrote: I get the feeling that most people around here have never been part of a beta before. That is not a criticism or my attempt at being smug but I am an amateur game designer myself, but I have been involved in several projects from start to finish, I know how the process looks and I have been in numerous beta tests. You are wasting your time and your concern over these issues. It is like how people wrote page after page in several threads about how blizzard had fucked up the friends system just to have blizzard come in and state the obvious the next day, pointing out that they had not actually changed the buddy system just temporarily disabled certain features. The beta is going down in just over a week, it is going to be down for several weeks. This is not to make changes to the game. Altering the game they can do while having the beta running and then patching it in which is what they have done so far. The only reason to shut the beta down is because they are going to be working on the infrastructure behind it, battlenet and the specific battlenet related components of the game. Considering the fact that in just over a week, they are going to be doing full time work on the battlenet features for probably atleast a month. Does that not atleast suggest that these concerns are better left until the beta goes live again, and you can see what they actually did in that time? I have never been worried because I know that the features needed for a good social basis are going to be there. If you look at the design process and the discussions at blizzcon etc and many of the different choices that have been made in the development it is OBVIOUS that the social side of the game is very high on their agenda. They are not going to fuck it up or leave it out. Don't look at what is in a rugged beta at the moment look at what the designers have been talking about and what they have been doing through the entire development process. It is all there in the details. A company that does not prioritize social networking and easy access to friends while gaming would not had put a button leading directly to the friends list while in a game and would not had created features such as the ability to form a party before starting a game. Just, relax. As far as im concerned this is the worst excuse ever. Theres no reason to remove basic functionalities for FORCE people to test retarded stuff like facebook friend integration. The people who wanted to use the facebook thing would use it regardless and for the rest of us its just hurting the balance testing of the game. As for the rest of this thread,i totally agree, the new custom game lobbies are terrible, the friends list is terrible, sure its all shiny and pretty but its still a big stinky shit underneath it all. Blizzard if Bnet2.0 isn't DRASTICALLY overhauled before release im gonna be really dissapointed... | ||
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Wargizmo
Australia1237 Posts
Pretty confused about the facebook thing, these social networks are fads and FB may not even be around by the time the first expansion pack comes out - three years ago it was Myspace, MSN messenger and RSS feeds, nowadays it's twitter, skype and facebook but who knows what it's going to be next year. Imagine if SC1 had done this, we'd have ICQ and usenet integration and most of the players would be scratching their head wondering what the hell those things even are. | ||
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IskatuMesk
Canada969 Posts
heya I got a cool idea scrap battle.net 2.0 sweep it under the rug it never existed it's just a bad memory use war3's battle.net sit back and call it a day bro No, seriously. Battle.net 2.0 has been a chorus of facepalms ever since I first opened up that grotesquely ugly log-in screen with its puff child-proofed windows and extremely lagged chat windows, its player list that requires you to scroll down, and the complete and total lack of basic features. There is no standpoint you can stand from to justify things like the lack of chat rooms, unique id's, online replays, a friends system that doesn't require you to join games just to add people, a clean and intuitive interface, and LOCAL MAP HOSTING. One of the most brain damaging decisions in all of battle.net 2.0 is the removal of local hosting. You know, host BGH and everyone joins and downloads it and you have a good ol' time. You absolutely MUST publish a map in order to host it, and the limits on hosting maps are so ridiculously absurd that it's unbelievable. Maybe you don't know about some of those limits? Here's one for you, quoted straight from the b.net forums - It did tell me that I had a language issue. When I tried to publish it gave a pop up window message that said i had the word "suicide" in my map. I just went and renamed the "baneling - suicide copy" to baneling - explosion and that fixed it for me. Someone said that they failed - no, they didn't fail. They knew exactly what they were doing. The reason they removed local hosting fucked over everyone is because they are absolutely petrified of someone trying to circumvent their amazing ingenius PREMIUM MAP system. Bullocks is what I say. Even Windows Live! For Games is better than battle.net 2.0 right now. At least it has key, fundamental features and gets straight to the point. From what I understand there are two teams in Blizzard working on sc2 - the guys working on sc2 and the guys working on Bloatnet 2.0. If I were the guy sitting in the big vinyl chair and I saw this trainwreck I'd take a revolver to the whole lot of the battle.net team and start totally from scratch, or from wc3. Oh. Achievements. Such stupid bullshit. Little pane shows up on the bottom of the screen, whatevs. Post patch 13 this gigantic window shows up and blacks out the entire screen and kills game functionality and I tried my damndest to get away from the damn thing so I can DO SOMETHING like... join the damn game. It sits there for like 10 seconds "LOL LOOK AT ME I'M AN ACHIEVEMENT" and every second I felt my blood boiling faster and faster. Whoever is designing their ui's, both that of b.net and the editor, is in dire need of being sacked. | ||
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Spawkuring
United States755 Posts
On May 23 2010 08:54 Mania[K]al wrote: Which is exactly why them getting involved is a bad thing. They listen to feedback, but only when it will appeal to the MASSES and not the actual hardcore gamers that will stick with the game for another 11 years. If they get more money by adding facebook over chatrooms, they'll do it. And guess what? They did. I don't think Blizzard is doing this to appeal to the masses. They're doing this because they have a specific "vision" for Battle.net and they want to make that vision come true no matter what, even though it's becoming increasingly clear that it's not gonna work out. I say that because most of these features don't even appeal to the masses either. I certainly don't see how the removal of chat channels benefits the masses in anyway since there's no reason why there can't be both, but they've gone so far with their RealID "vision" that it's too late to go back now. They'll force to use no matter how much we kick and scream.. The vision must become a reality!!!! | ||
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Tinithor
United States1552 Posts
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Nytefish
United Kingdom4282 Posts
Dustin: So guys, we're planning to start SC2 beta! B.net 2.0 is ready soon right? Design Guy A: Uh well... Dustin: You mean you've had years to work on it and you've done nothing? Design Guy A: No! No! It's just sooooo awesome that we'll need a bit more time! Dustin: Great! I'll tell the fans! Design Guy A: Shit, we have 2 months to scrap together something usable! Design Guy B: Sorry, what? I was playing farmville. Hey, we should totally integrate facebook into the new battle.net! Design Guy C: Has anyone on this team actually used the original battle.net? | ||
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chuDr3t4
Russian Federation484 Posts
On May 23 2010 08:08 Two_DoWn wrote: Has anyone actually felt connected to a larger community when they logged into battle.net? Sure, I can chat privately with friends, but only one at a time. Or I could, if i could actually make a friend, which I cant cuz I cant get to know anyone because I cant talk to them in the first place. No. ![[image loading]](http://img38.imagefra.me/img/img38/6/5/22/chudr3t4/f_f71ddpjpm_b5557f0.jpg) | ||
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Dionyseus
United States2068 Posts
This. If it were just Blizzard they'd delay the game, but with the Blizzard Activison merger there's no way this is going to get delayed, the game is getting released on the 27th of July no matter what state the game is in. | ||
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DrakanSilva
Chile932 Posts
On May 23 2010 08:53 Spawkuring wrote: The problem isn't that Blizzard is getting involved. Blizzard has done lots of good things when they get involved. It's just that this time Blizzard is refusing to listen to any community feedback regarding SC2. Sometimes it feels like they're actively fighting against us or trying not to listen to us. Fans: Blizzard please give us chat channels. Even if some of them were spammy, a lot had a very strong community aspect. Blizzard: SHUT UP YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT! CHAT CHANNELS WERE A FAILURE! NOBODY LIKES THEM! Fans: Blizzard what about cross-region play. E-sports needs it to- Blizzard: SHUT UP WE DON'T NEED CROSS-REGION! WE'LL JUST PUT IT ONCE WE'RE DONE INTEGRATING TWITTER AND MYSPACE! Fans: Please stop making Terrans so overpowered. Blizzard: BUFF TERRANS! I'M NOT SEEING ENOUGH MARAUDERS!! Fans: Make Ultras more durable please, they can't withstand the terrible terrible damage. Blizzard: NERF THEIR HP! GIVE THEM MORE DAMAGE!! Fans: What about online replay viewing? Or fixing the built-in lag? Or the poor ladder UI? Or the arbitrary custom map 10mb limit? Or tournaments? Or clans? Blizzard: FUCK YOU! FACEBOOK IS MORE IMPORTANT! Fans: But this game is incomplete! What ever happened to "it's done when it's done"? What ever happened to the Blizzard who released games when they were finished? Blizzard: RELEASE IT NOW! MAKE IT GOOD AFTER EVERYONE BUYS IT! It's a damn shame since the game isn't too bad, but damn. They really must have been twiddling their thumbs for the past 7 years. JAJAJajajajajajajajjajaja oh god is always good to have some humor around. bananacraft ! + Show Spoiler + Anyway i liked the last one Fans: But this game is incomplete! What ever happened to "it's done when it's done"? What ever happened to the Blizzard who released games when they were finished? Blizzard: RELEASE IT NOW! MAKE IT GOOD AFTER EVERYONE BUYS IT! i don't get it... Blizz fans always waited years for their games to be released, and i don't understand the rush of releasing a game that have so many flaws. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
I was gonna say sorry for being wrong, but you know what, Im not. The fact that I didnt know how to talk to more than one friend at a time isnt my fault. Its the creators of the shitty systems. | ||
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Skyze
Canada2324 Posts
Hell, even msging people is fucked, I tried /w and /m and neither work.. Only way i know is /r but thats only to reply to someone.. not msg someone new when your in game. BNet 2 is like, the worst gaming "community" ive ever seen so far in 15 years of gaming.. and this is what they delayed SC2 for 2 years for? Fuck. | ||
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Niji87
United States112 Posts
On May 23 2010 05:45 FrozenArbiter wrote: FA's super rant! I fully agree with everying FA has said. B.Net 2.0 is a joke. As much as pre-Patch 13 B.Net was annoying, it was tolerable for me in the basic sense of at least being usable. Not anywhere near as useful as B.Net 1.0 in SC, but usable. At least. I no longer see B.Net 2.0 as feasible. I can't believe this shit is gonna carry over into Diablo III and WoW, too. It's a quality way to ruin the end user experience. I'm sincerely, and I mean it, hoping that all the cool functions I need to have SC2 will be in there on release date. If not, I will use SC2 the same way I used WC3. Campaign mode and to play UMS maps with a few RL friends of mine. No one else, no other reason. I still have SC1, even if I haven't played it in months. | ||
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Tinithor
United States1552 Posts
On May 23 2010 09:19 Skyze wrote: Yea I dont even know how to go DND or ignore a player, because its so difficult compared to BW.. you cant just type /ignore player or even /dnd, it SHOULD be that simple but it isnt.. Hell, even msging people is fucked, I tried /w and /m and neither work.. Only way i know is /r but thats only to reply to someone.. not msg someone new when your in game. BNet 2 is like, the worst gaming "community" ive ever seen so far in 15 years of gaming.. and this is what they delayed SC2 for 2 years for? Fuck. This all stemmed from the non-unique ID's, they coulda added all this by just letting us type in the identifiers when messaging someone i suppose (and i woulda liked that better) but insead they just get rid of identifiers to make it an even BIGGER clusterfuck of not being able to do anything unless you are a RealID friend... | ||
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Ecology
United States23 Posts
Just think about what you thought of B.net 2.0 when you first got the beta rather than right now because of patch 13. If it would just run better (the menus feel clunky/laggy to me on my system) then it would be at least decent imo. I couldn't stand the matchup system Supreme Commander 1 had, ylech. So things could be worse. The facebook integration is pretty laughable/uneccessary - just a marketing deal pretty much, has no bearing on players like the people who come here - and the fact that this system is the reason for delay, supposedly, in the release is pretty bad. Really though thats kind of a scapegoat, we know balance-wise the game is not 100% ready... It is relatively close though (granted we all have things we would change, all units being usable with their 'gameplay feel' intact would be nice, but still..), and the game is fun to play. It has a matchup system that needs work but has some potential still imo. | ||
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