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I'm thinking about getting a Razer Naga for sc2, but I'd like to hear from someone who has used one. On my keyboard, I honestly can't hit anything east of the 5 key without looking down. As zerg my hotkeys are using 1-3: army, 4: queens, 5: hatcheries. It would be really nice to be able to use 6-0 to fine tune my army without having to move my hand position or look at my keyboard. So here are my questions:
1. How easy is it to bind the naga buttons to anything you want through provided drivers? I'm not sure if this is exactly how I would do it, but for example, could I bind the "3", "6", "9" and "12" side keys to 6 7 8 9 respectively? In the videos on their site, it says they have addons for games like world of warcraft which allow you to bind the buttons in game, but I assume the windows drivers it comes with will allow you to bind the buttons universally.
2. Assuming the above is possible, would I run into problems if i ever wanted to compete in a LAN tournament? I'm not sure what the commonly accepted rules are for bringing your own mouse and drivers to a tournament. I realize rules may be different depending on the host.
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it won't make u better :O
i don't think those buttons are comfortable to use :/
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i'm using the naga right now, but i haven't set any binds for it yet. I used it for wow and i'm not going to get a new mouse for sc2 ;P, i personally find it very comfortable.
the deathadder is also very nice, if you end up not using the binds though
if you get the drivers from the razer website you can bind the 12 keys on the side to do almost anything, including multiple actions and key presses. or you can just use them as the numpad (which i do [; )
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oh also, generally blizzard says one click -> one action. macros are fine if they don't do multiple actions with just a single button press. (something like creating an army and changing rally points from many barracks with a single numberpad press)
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i am still amazed that people can use the naga at all
i honestly thought it was a joke the first time I saw it
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Dude, the only thing i can say that will help, is what i did.. Slowly start moving that #5 hotkey hatch or 6, then 7, then 8 or what ever is good for you.. when i started playing, it was 3 for my army making and 4 for my command centers, now its 6 for HQ and 5 for unit production and such.
So yeah, just start moving it over, your mind should start to get a better feel for it. its just like typing.. You use to type with 1 finger, then graduated to 2 fingers, and now you are possibly at XXX WPM.. so yeah, hope that helps ^.^
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every lan turny i have ever been to never had a problem with bringing your own mice and keyboard.
should be fine. I can't see them having a fuss over it. For me a new mouse/ keyboard takes like weeks +++ to get used to. Thats just me tho.
I'm sure from what I've seen ,1-12 on the mouse is the same as the keyboard 1 - =. but I am sure you can change them to whatever you like after the software is installed.
Also, if you cant hit 6+. you just need to force yourself to do so,looking at your keyboard at first, for then eventually it will come easy. Or you could just buy the mouse. It does look pretty awesome, tho very big.(from the picture/videos ive seen)
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If its anything like other Razer products ( I have 2) then it has drivers + software. With the software you can set up macros and re-assign keys.
I have my keyboards numpad set to 1-0. So its easier to use the higher numbers. To be honest though I use the same hotkey setup as you, and rarely use the macros I set up. I got used to reaching over now.
Also, if you want to buy the mouse do it. A lot of people will tell you that it is an unfair advantage\not allowed at live events, etc. But unless you plan to be some incredible player --who cares. If it is a game you enjoy playing as a hobby, then buy any peripheral that you like.
If you aren't a pro, don't feel bad using an aluminum bat.
EDIT: I have a razer death adder mouse, and lycosa keyboard. I will replace both when they die\fail, going on 2 years strong right now.
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I used the naga for World of Warcraft for ~6 months and it was great for that, however it is difficult to press buttons 7 through 12 on its side. You have to bend your thumb back to reach them which isn't comfortable in my experience. I've tried using it for starcraft, but it just feels easier to use keyboard hotkeys than it. I'd recommend using a different razer mouse.
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I wouldn't recommend it. The mouse itself is fine to use for sc, but the bindings, at least for me, are hard to hit while constantly moving your mouse (which is what you do in RTSes).It's an MMO mouse for a reason. Otherwise, it was plenty comfortable and if you can muster moving the mouse and pressing buttons with your thumb at the same time, it's probably going to be fine for you.
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Razer is also currently working with Blizzard to release an SC2 specific keyboard, mouse and headset.
It may be hokey, or good. But you may want to wait and see.
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I use it, its nice. i haven't changed the hotkeys, just use the ones that are there. i find it hard to use them though, seems easier to use the keyboard. but im trying to train myself at it =]
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Can't say I would spend that kind of money on a mouse for SC2 just because it's got a lot of auxiliary buttons. It's not going to improve your game that much. Many pro players just use a typical 2 button wheel mouse like you'd get with any standard desktop PC.
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I just googled it and it looks like a god damn monstrosity.
I find most non-ambidextrous mice difficult to use so I stuck with my old G3 laser. Looks exactly like the old Logitech Optical and before that Logitech Ball Mouse.
Will probably be using the same Logitech style when blu-ray mice or something comes out 
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it's just too big + you can't move your mouse precisely when you're clicking those buttons on the side + your other fingers are faster than thumb. keyboard + small, light mouse FTW. naga is for wow players if even that..
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i use a 6 programmable buttons RUSH mouse , and im really happy with it , standard size and a button for DPI control , bought it mostly to play CS than i did to play SC2 where i dont use any of his features.
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I'm using it, it helps my macro a lot.
you can't program the buttons until they release an addon, but its really not that hard to hit the buttons on the mouse with practice.
7 = gateways
8 = robotics
9 = stargate
0 = nexus
1-2-3 army
5 for stormers
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I just use a Razer Diamondback 3G, i have it like 2+ years and works perfectly. For the keyboard i use my old OLD HP one (like 7+ years), i know the keyboard of memory so i don't need to see it to type or press any hotkey in the game 
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I have a few extar customizable buttons on my mouse. Im thinking of binding CTRL to one of them for easier hotkeybinding, because hitting CTRL-8(or other high#) for instance really takes to much effort and focus from the game.
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On May 16 2010 16:59 Zidane wrote:
I'm using it, it helps my macro a lot.
you can't program the buttons until they release an addon, but its really not that hard to hit the buttons on the mouse with practice.
7 = gateways
8 = robotics
9 = stargate
0 = nexus
1-2-3 army
5 for stormers
Unless I've misunderstood what you mean by programming them you can get the software available at their site to reassign and macro the keys.
I got one for playing MMO's mainly for the extra buttons, but it shocked me how well it fits the palm of my hand. I was definitely not expecting it to be so comfortable to use - it's actually by far the mouse with the "best feel" I've ever tried. As for the looks, well, meh.
In SC2 I tried making some advanced macros but in the end I realised that just sticking to the default layout (with small reassignments) was a better way to go. The only macro I use is MB5 as [A-leftclick]
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Nah sorry, razer lycosa for me.
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That mouse made me lol. It would be good for World of Warcraft, but not starcraft. Get the Razer Salmosa for starcraft, it optimizes light weight, good tracking, and reliable/fast buttons.
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I'd like to use this thread to ask a question, think its the appropriate place.
Now don't flame me, but im left handed and weirdly enough i use mouse with my left hand.
*chirp chirp chirp*
AAANyway, i saw this mouse for left handers by razer and i was wondering if anyone had any experience with it, is it worth the money?
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I wouldn't use any razer mouse.
+ Show Spoiler +http://www.cybersnipa.com/us/gaming-mice/stinger-mouse.php
18 macros and it's very comfortable.
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I got a Naga and DeathAdder, but after several games, the DeathAdder was still my choice of mouse for SC2, it's lighter which allows for faster actions in-game
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I was using a MX518 then I broke it.. afterwards I had no money so my friend gave me his Razer Copperhead.. For half a year my apm dropped 50, and every split i did was garbage.. Finally getting used to it lmao. Honestly I wouldnt spend a lot of money on any mouse/keyboard, and do you even need more than 5 hotkeys in sc2 as zerg player? I just use 1 for army, 4 5 6 7 for hatches.. 4sdddd5sddddd6sddddd7sdddddd yeaaa
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On May 17 2010 03:09 Zealotdriver wrote:
That mouse made me lol. It would be good for World of Warcraft, but not starcraft. Get the Razer Salmosa for starcraft, it optimizes light weight, good tracking, and reliable/fast buttons.
i'm so hot and cold on razer. i've been pretty dissatisfied with the razer things i've had that seem rather cheaply made, the price tag corresponding to cutesy shit like blue leds rather than build quality. i spilled water on my only keyboard and grabbed a razer lycosa at the local store while i waited for a better keyboard to come via mail -- god what a piece of junk, i wish i had bought a noname chinese keyboard instead.
that said, razer salmosa is my favorite mouse, though i've heard the "asian edition" is better. i bought one, liked it, and it quickly developed the very common for razer "squeeky button", which i took some wd40 to. i heard they weren't making them anymore so i went out and bought a new one (put my old to backup) and the new one started squeeking within ~2 days. salmosa looks very much like the new "abyssus" which has some greater dpi settings, maybe the abyssus is in better shape. i'm really hesitant to buy anything razer in the future without a strong recommendation or some RL experience, though. (ps: it's symmetrical, so using it lefthanded would be the same)
steelseries looks like they make more high quality stuff (a mechanical keyboard, omgosh!~), but unfortunately they seem to be making bulky intellimouse-esque mice and not the more logitech mx300/mini style mice. kind of a shame how so much gamer oriented peripherals are more about LED lights and stickers than having quality stuff mechanically (stand up to abuse) and functionally (works better).
oh and op: your state of not being able to hit past 5 isn't permanent, you can practice and it will get better. playing zerg in BW I was always only using 1-4 or 5, because i would do the two handed 0s9s8s. it only took me a few days in SC2 to start hotkeying my buildings to 765...
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On May 17 2010 03:50 Skvid wrote:I'd like to use this thread to ask a question, think its the appropriate place. Now don't flame me, but im left handed and weirdly enough i use mouse with my left hand. *chirp chirp chirp* AAANyway, i saw this mouse for left handers by razer and i was wondering if anyone had any experience with it, is it worth the money?
Bought it just 1.5 weeks ago, specifically for Starcraft 2.
I don't really like Razer as a company (for reasons I'd rather not discuss here), and still not a fan of them, but I do think this mouse is a very good choice for Starcraft if you're left handed.
Well I was using a lefty Logitech mx610 beforehand, so that's what I can compare it with (that's not a gaming mouse, I'm not familiar with gaming gadgets).
mx610 had 14 programmable buttons, (some were only programmable through some hack, not with factory software) which I miss a little, but the lack of them is not as terrible as I expected.
The Deathadder is about the same quality material I would say, but I really love the optic sensor instead of Logitech's lazer, and the fact that it's not wireless.
The mx610 did "cursor jumps" sometimes, and did experience lags, its wireless communication was pretty weak.
Deathadder has no such problems, it's deadly accurate (oh, I was using the mx610 without a mouse pad, but bought a Goliathus Speed with the Deathadder, that might be part of the reason).
Razer has superior factory software, you can even remap the mouse scroll without any hacks and can set a many different aspects of the mouse (responsiveness, dpi, sensitivity...), which is very cool.
Although I'm experiencing bugs with it ATM (causes my system to hang sometimes, in contact with their support), but it does not affect Starcraft performance.
Oh, I've heard complaints from people with small hands, mine are rather big, and Deathadder fits pretty well, even the side buttons are at perfect position. If yours are smaller than usual, that may cause problems.
If it's worth the price, that really depends on your aspects.
For me, it was very well worth it.
I think it's very nice from Razer that they sell it for the same price as the right handed version when they can manufacture a lot less of it, so it costs them more (their CEO is a lefty  . Logitech does sell the southpaw mx610 for a higher price than the right handed version).
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On May 17 2010 03:58 Baarn wrote:I wouldn't use any razer mouse. + Show Spoiler +http://www.cybersnipa.com/us/gaming-mice/stinger-mouse.php 18 macros and it's very comfortable.
I really liked the shape of some of those Cyber Snipa (worst name ever?) mice. Too bad I haven't seen any in my local gaming stores.
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I'd have to agree that I thought the naga was a joke when it first came out,
I dont see why anyone would use that seriously for something like sc
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On May 17 2010 04:51 Haathen wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 17 2010 03:50 Skvid wrote:I'd like to use this thread to ask a question, think its the appropriate place. Now don't flame me, but im left handed and weirdly enough i use mouse with my left hand. *chirp chirp chirp* AAANyway, i saw this mouse for left handers by razer and i was wondering if anyone had any experience with it, is it worth the money? Bought it just 1.5 weeks ago, specifically for Starcraft 2. I don't really like Razer as a company (for reasons I'd rather not discuss here), and still not a fan of them, but I do think this mouse is a very good choice for Starcraft if you're left handed. Well I was using a lefty Logitech mx610 beforehand, so that's what I can compare it with (that's not a gaming mouse, I'm not familiar with gaming gadgets). mx610 had 14 programmable buttons, (some were only programmable through some hack, not with factory software) which I miss a little, but the lack of them is not as terrible as I expected. The Deathadder is about the same quality material I would say, but I really love the optic sensor instead of Logitech's lazer, and the fact that it's not wireless. The mx610 did "cursor jumps" sometimes, and did experience lags, its wireless communication was pretty weak. Deathadder has no such problems, it's deadly accurate (oh, I was using the mx610 without a mouse pad, but bought a Goliathus Speed with the Deathadder, that might be part of the reason). Razer has superior factory software, you can even remap the mouse scroll without any hacks and can set a many different aspects of the mouse (responsiveness, dpi, sensitivity...), which is very cool. Although I'm experiencing bugs with it ATM (causes my system to hang sometimes, in contact with their support), but it does not affect Starcraft performance. Oh, I've heard complaints from people with small hands, mine are rather big, and Deathadder fits pretty well, even the side buttons are at perfect position. If yours are smaller than usual, that may cause problems. If it's worth the price, that really depends on your aspects. For me, it was very well worth it. I think it's very nice from Razer that they sell it for the same price as the right handed version when they can manufacture a lot less of it, so it costs them more (their CEO is a lefty . Logitech does sell the southpaw mx610 for a higher price than the right handed version).
Ah, thanks. Just what i wanted to hear, and i dont think ill have problems with hand size, i have fingers fit for a pianist
Too bad razer has that crappy thing going where USD = EU, so it costs more solely because i live in europe. ffffff
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On May 16 2010 14:02 Nutshell wrote:
I'm thinking about getting a Razer Naga for sc2, but I'd like to hear from someone who has used one. On my keyboard, I honestly can't hit anything east of the 5 key without looking down.
I use a Nostromo n52te keypad instead of a regular keyboard (with a normal mouse). It lets me use a modifier key to change the qwert/asdfg keys into 12345/67890 (I use lhs grid layout), so I can use all 10 control groups easily without moving my hand from it's normal position.
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I think you'd be better off just getting a program that lets your keyboard execute macros... I haven't used but I suspect that thing might hurt your mouse control.
Also gaming keyboards are gimmicky trash, a total waste of money.
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I got a Logitech G9 and i bought some Weeks ago the Razer Naga, actually for MMOs and FPS but i tried in SC2 aswell. I must say, the G9 is much better for a RTS Game, the very right handed ergonomic makes it little bit more less precise than the G9 imho.
The Feeling of the razer just is not that good for SC2, its a great mouse, but the feeling of the G9 in SC2 seems better.
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personal choice but 2 mouse button is what you need and more practice for sure.. indeed.
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On May 16 2010 14:17 kzn wrote:
i am still amazed that people can use the naga at all
i honestly thought it was a joke the first time I saw it
I thought the same thing I don't understand all those buttons on the side lol...
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I'm like you I don't use past 5 but not because I can't hit them instead because its tough to bind them. Pressing control and hitting 6 to 0 stresses my hands a bit to much. What you could do with all those buttons on the naga is bind 5 of them to a control+number macro and then 5 more to actually click the number. That would make it super easy to bind and use 6 to 0. As far as ease of use goes I don't know I've never used the naga before.
Another thing to consider is their keyboard. The Razor Lycosa is a fully programmable keyboard. You can make any button do anything. As far as I know its the only keyboard that can do that. Many keyboards let you set up a few macro keys but this one will let you set any button to do a macro or key press of any kind. Honestly I don't know why this isn't standard with all gaming keyboards. If I didn't already have a decent keyboard I'd buy it immediately. I could probably think of some cool things to do with it.
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On May 17 2010 06:49 Nakas wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2010 14:02 Nutshell wrote:
I'm thinking about getting a Razer Naga for sc2, but I'd like to hear from someone who has used one. On my keyboard, I honestly can't hit anything east of the 5 key without looking down. I use a Nostromo n52te keypad instead of a regular keyboard (with a normal mouse). It lets me use a modifier key to change the qwert/asdfg keys into 12345/67890 (I use lhs grid layout), so I can use all 10 control groups easily without moving my hand from it's normal position.
How well does this work for you? Do you see it as being faster and more comfortable then a regular keyboard? I've always looked at these keypads wondering if I could make good use out of them but I have never bought one.
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didnt read anything but i hope no one wants 2 tell that he gets so damn better because hes using a mouse with some extra bindings. it wont make ur macro better or whatever. u wont get faster because of such shit~
if u get used 2 it u will be as fast as with the keyboard.
best example that this shit is so wayne is nal_ra ~~
and no one can tell u "that mouse is great buy this one" or whatever. its just about what u like the most.
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So far I can only think of 3 things I'd want to bind to a mouse, and that's control, shift and maybe a-move like someone suggested. So as long as you have mouse buttons 3,4 and 5 you'll be fine, and let's face it, any decent mouse does. So with that considered, next on the list should be comfort/ease of use/precision, and for that I'd recommend one 3 mouses, the G5, razer Deathadder or the razer Lachesis. G5 - Deathadder are pretty much equivalent, but if you grip the mouse in a different way, then I'd say go for the Lachesis, because it is also technically a great mouse.
@Maniac I have a lycosa but haven't thought of anything cool to do with it, how about posting some of your cool ideas? ^^
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Well most of my ideas centered around moving keys to more easily reachable locations. Such as maybe putting my 6789 on F1 to F4. Moving backspace which cycles through your hatchery locations to the tilde key. Making a macro on a more easily reachable key that does control f1 to select all idle workers without having to searching for them. Handy for late game. Some of its kind of nit picky but comfortable keys are important to me if I had some extra cash I'd get one. All this would of course make it pretty much impossible to type. I think it can change profiles though so maybe you can switch back and forth.
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On May 17 2010 10:18 ManiacTheZealot wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2010 06:49 Nakas wrote:On May 16 2010 14:02 Nutshell wrote:
I'm thinking about getting a Razer Naga for sc2, but I'd like to hear from someone who has used one. On my keyboard, I honestly can't hit anything east of the 5 key without looking down. I use a Nostromo n52te keypad instead of a regular keyboard (with a normal mouse). It lets me use a modifier key to change the qwert/asdfg keys into 12345/67890 (I use lhs grid layout), so I can use all 10 control groups easily without moving my hand from it's normal position. How well does this work for you? Do you see it as being faster and more comfortable then a regular keyboard? I've always looked at these keypads wondering if I could make good use out of them but I have never bought one.
I like it a lot, I certainly find it more comfortable and convenient. Speed-wise, I think it's faster overall. Accessing a 1 to 5 control group might be a touch slower due to requiring a modifier key, but not by much. It's like the speed difference between pressing '5' and 'ctrl-5', except the modifier keys on the n52 are much better placed (they're placed at the thumb). But this is offset by the fact that my fingers aren't moving around as much, not even up two rows to reach the number keys. For instance, if I need control group 0 to use an ability in the 'z' box, it's just 'modifier-g, z', rather than '0,z' which I think is a lot slower. It gets really fast when control group binds and actions fall on the same key, for example, I bind all my hatcheries to control group 1, so accessing my hatch, selecting larvae, and spawning drones from them is just 'modifier-q,q,q'.
You know, after writing this post I looked at how I set this up and realized that in the end I didn't use any of the special Nostromo modifier functions, but instead did it by just remapping hotkeys in the .mpq files using the program posted on these forums. That means you could probably do a similar setup with a standard keyboard by changing the "recall control group x", "set control group x", and "append control group x" hotkeys to 'alt-(letter)', 'ctrl-(letter)', and 'shift-(letter)', respectively. I don't see this being as good as a Nostromo though, since the Nostromo has all the modifier buttons placed nicely on the thumb.
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I use the naga for sc2 . I use the keys mainly to build zerg units faster. I would recommend the mouse for an avid zerg player. I'm using the iPad typing this so excuse the periods
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![[image loading]](http://www.musicorner.nl/pics/Razer%20Naga%202.jpg)
It looks like a mouse phone to me..
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On May 17 2010 10:13 ManiacTheZealot wrote:
I'm like you I don't use past 5 but not because I can't hit them instead because its tough to bind them. Pressing control and hitting 6 to 0 stresses my hands a bit to much. This.
I don't care how fast anyone thinks they are at hitting control + 9, but I guarantee you someone with as much practice as you with "9" bound to a mouse key would be faster.
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On May 17 2010 13:38 Nakas wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2010 10:18 ManiacTheZealot wrote:On May 17 2010 06:49 Nakas wrote:On May 16 2010 14:02 Nutshell wrote:
I'm thinking about getting a Razer Naga for sc2, but I'd like to hear from someone who has used one. On my keyboard, I honestly can't hit anything east of the 5 key without looking down. I use a Nostromo n52te keypad instead of a regular keyboard (with a normal mouse). It lets me use a modifier key to change the qwert/asdfg keys into 12345/67890 (I use lhs grid layout), so I can use all 10 control groups easily without moving my hand from it's normal position. How well does this work for you? Do you see it as being faster and more comfortable then a regular keyboard? I've always looked at these keypads wondering if I could make good use out of them but I have never bought one. I like it a lot, I certainly find it more comfortable and convenient. Speed-wise, I think it's faster overall. Accessing a 1 to 5 control group might be a touch slower due to requiring a modifier key, but not by much. It's like the speed difference between pressing '5' and 'ctrl-5', except the modifier keys on the n52 are much better placed (they're placed at the thumb). But this is offset by the fact that my fingers aren't moving around as much, not even up two rows to reach the number keys. For instance, if I need control group 0 to use an ability in the 'z' box, it's just 'modifier-g, z', rather than '0,z' which I think is a lot slower. It gets really fast when control group binds and actions fall on the same key, for example, I bind all my hatcheries to control group 1, so accessing my hatch, selecting larvae, and spawning drones from them is just 'modifier-q,q,q'. You know, after writing this post I looked at how I set this up and realized that in the end I didn't use any of the special Nostromo modifier functions, but instead did it by just remapping hotkeys in the .mpq files using the program posted on these forums. That means you could probably do a similar setup with a standard keyboard by changing the "recall control group x", "set control group x", and "append control group x" hotkeys to 'alt-(letter)', 'ctrl-(letter)', and 'shift-(letter)', respectively. I don't see this being as good as a Nostromo though, since the Nostromo has all the modifier buttons placed nicely on the thumb.
Cool thx for the info. I'm definitely tempted to get one just to try it out.
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On May 16 2010 14:17 kzn wrote:
i am still amazed that people can use the naga at all
i honestly thought it was a joke the first time I saw it
it looks like an early generation mobile phone without a screen
i use the steel series wow mouse
before i get RTS nerd raged, i thought it would make my competative arena play better....it didnt
pros
it stops paper from flying off my desk when the window is open
cons
cant change the lights on windows7 64bit
too big and bulky
buttons aint responsive
buttons aint in the right place
too many buttons to actually use
cant change the DPI in windows7 without custom drivers
the "d-pad" on it is a joke
overall the mouse is a joke
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On May 18 2010 00:42 EnderW wrote:
Edit: I also have a Nostromo n52, but i haven't got around to using it yet because i don't know how to set it up. If anyone uses this and would be kind enough to PM me to help me get it set up I would love you forever :D
I'll make a new thread detailing my exact Nostromo setup when I get the chance, rather than continuing to hijack this thread on the Naga.
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Was 1600 Platinum now Diamond ranked Terran. 150-170APM
I play using the Naga it's revolutionary to my game.
6 - CC
7 - Rax w/ techlabs
8 - Factory/s
9 - Starport/s
10 - changes game to game.
I've kinda considered it.. But I don't think I will ever do it. Set up a g-15 macro to hit 6 then S and set it to loop every 17 seconds. Though if I ever did that it would feel like cheating due to never ever having to remember to build an SCV again.
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I still use mini-optical. Yknow. Cause I'm awesome.
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If you cant do something , learn to do it instead of finding cheap shortcuts. It will make you better , finding shortcuts won't
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Since i come from a FPS world, i can tell you the consensus is that the best mice in terms of reliability, comfort, accuracy and price are the ie 3.0, the razer deathadder, and the mx518. I personally perfer the mx518, i've been using this one for about 4 years, and just bought another one so when this one gets old. Couldn't be happier about it, performs at top level.
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I got one for wow, but after some usage, I've refused to bind anything truly critical to it. Things like rocket boots, parachute cloak, auto-run, mount buttons, grenades, things like that, which you don't necessarily need in a clutch situation, but you want to have access to without having to be a damned clicker.
Pretty much EVERYTHING you want to do in SC2 is a clutch move, so I haven't intentionally bound anything to it at all, nor tried to make use of it. I'm quite comfortable with 1-7 on the keyboard.
The design is very comfortable, though. I'd definitely recommend one of the similarly-designed Razor mice if you haven't got one.
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this Mouse thing is making me sick, i have seen sc pros playing with ball mices
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I use the Razer DeathAdder. It works GREAT!
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On May 16 2010 14:02 Nutshell wrote:
1. How easy is it to bind the naga buttons to anything you want through provided drivers? I'm not sure if this is exactly how I would do it, but for example, could I bind the "3", "6", "9" and "12" side keys to 6 7 8 9 respectively? In the videos on their site, it says they have addons for games like world of warcraft which allow you to bind the buttons in game, but I assume the windows drivers it comes with will allow you to bind the buttons universally.
2. Assuming the above is possible, would I run into problems if i ever wanted to compete in a LAN tournament? I'm not sure what the commonly accepted rules are for bringing your own mouse and drivers to a tournament. I realize rules may be different depending on the host.
1) Extremely easy. The mouse buttons on the left side can be recognized as either your top rows of number keys above QWERTY (0 - 9, - , =). Or it can be recognized as 0 - 9, . , - , and + on your number pad. All you have to do to change how your computer recognizes the buttons on the side of your mouse is to flip a switch on the bottom of the mouse.
2) I have never competed or been to a tournament but I would think that they would let you. Again, this is a total guess coming from a guy who has never been near a tournament before.
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I'm a tad late to the party but here's my two cents anyway.
The fact of razer naga is it reduces the amount of key presses your left hand has to make by allowing you to spread the load of control groups (and anything else you want to remap) to your right. Physically it can be a lot easier on your hands, but some people are going to encounter steeper learning curves than others obviously because it takes time to adjust to using your thumb so much on the naga.
For me I've had a history with cramping after playing for extended periods of time (particularly with RTS) which has been resolved after switching to the naga. I found learning to use it takes around the same time as learning how to navigate a new cellphone (e.g. switching from a regular cell to a touch smartphone) - and once I got the hang of it, it really flies. Here's a little info on me:
Zerg 2v2 platinum
standard hotkeys (w/ spacebar for base camera)
1-6 on naga for unit control groups
7,8 on naga for hatcheries, queens respectively
9,10,11 on naga for evo 1, evo 2, and spire (though because I'm far from a good macro player, these often get neglected)
One great factor of using the naga is it's grid layout: 3 keys in 4 rows basically. You can organize each row according to how you want to tactically organize groups ingame (which of course can be done with the keyboard, but there is a higher risk for misclicks when your APM starts to climb in battle with the long, single row of control groups).
1st row: main army groups. Last key I generally reserve for infestors.
2nd row: harass groups. Muta or a couple of small ling packs for counters.
3rd row: macro groups - just hatches and queens.
4th row: upgrades
So are a couple of neat advantages for using this mouse, however in the end it boils down to your own personal preference and what you are willing to/capable of adapting to. If you have the money and also play the odd MMO/DotA style game occasionally then it's definitely worth it IMHO. Check it out!
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Only platinium zerg here but i think the razer naga is realy underestimated.
here is my setup:
1 to 4 : army
5: all hatches
6: nydus or overlord drop
7 to 9 : queens
With a little practice, keys 1 to 9 are easily reachable
My technic is to resting my tumb over the number 5 button so you can hit every buttons arround with a small thumb move.
10 to 12 button are a little more difficult to reach, maybe more suitable for upgrade than army.
The two small buttons next to left click are useless because they are too difficult to reach.
IMO, Using this mouse has a kind of logic because every selection is done by your mouse while your other hand is only ordering commands.
So if you play in grid mode, you never have to move your left hand from the keyboard.
Creating group controls or adding units to an existing control group is realy fast and easy.
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now the cons
Each time you press a button with your thumb, your hand will move the mouse from some millimeters. If you play with a very fast mouse curve like me, it can be annoying because you have to compensate the thumb press. So you can lose some accuracy when you select your control groups (don't be affraid this is not as bad as it can sound ^^)
Not easy to explain but you get the idee.
This is realy not a game changer but i think it's worse mentioning it.
Beyond that , having "9 groups" so fast and easly managable can open a lot of things:
harass groups, 4 infestors squad, drop groups, army split, etc
A great mouse imo
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I use the macro buttons on my blackwidow as 6-0 so they are alot easier to reach
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I used to use the buttons, but after switching to a RAT7 and setting it up to fit my hand like the batsuit, I never looked back. Too much going on with the right hand already to ask it to select groups.
Still a razer fan. I love my blackwidow ultimate so very, very much (though glossy bezel was one retarded idea)
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hmm dont like tyhe idea of binding stuff to the mosue hand defeats the point of using the keyboard which is to split ur focus on tasks. In any case u should be able to reach from ur 0 key to ur z key if u try, my old habits die hard ^^.
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I use one, and quite frankly, the buttons are too uncomfortable to press, especially when in a heated multitasking moment. Just use the black adder and so on. It'll be comfy for your thumb too.
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Hm, I have one of these and use them whenever I'm playing WoW or something similar (the buttons are actually good) but not for SC2. I have an Abyssus and a Spectre for that
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I use the number keys. Like, you know, those things on the keyboard.
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It seems a lot of Naga users are zerg players. I also bought the Naga back when I mained zerg. My hotkey setup for zerg is:
Naga:
1 - Y (patrol)
2 - Backspace (For Rapid Inject Technique)
3 -
4 - 9 (Queens)
5 - 0 (Hatcheries)
6 -
7 - V (Inject)
10 - F5 (camera 1)
11 - F6 (camera 2)
12 - F7 (camera 3)
Scroll Button - Shift
Keyboard:
1: Scout
1-5: Army
6: Mutalisks
I'm random now, and my hotkeys for the other two races are:
Naga:
1 - Y (patrol)
2 - Backspace
3 - Starport / Stargate
4 - CC/OC/PF / Nexus
5 - Barracks / GW/WG
6 - Factory / Robo
7 -
10 - F5 (camera 1)
11 - F6 (camera 2)
12 - F7 (camera 3)
Scroll Button - Shift
Keyboard:
1: Scout
1-5: Army
6: Banshee / Army
Basically, my right thumb is for macro and the keyboard numbers are all for micro.
Maybe I should assign 9 to my evo/ebay/forge. I've been manually doing it till now.
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Im a naga user and a random player, but i don't use the extra hot-keys on the mouse.
What i DO use the mouse for is its sweet dpi.
I don't have my mouse set to a crazy fast speed of course, but it is very precise.
Firstly mouse acceleration is removed in the naga driver, and then the dpi scale is set to 5600, which is the maximum. (when you do this your mouse becomes more sensitive and moves quicker)
My windows mouse speed is set to the first notch (windows xp) and i think i currently use 16% mouse sensitivity within the game of sc2 itself.
Essentially what i get is fast but precise and smooth mouse control. I think the most important thing in a mouse is for it to be reliable (precise) and accurate. Your left hand should be able to accomplish most macro chores without the need for slowing down your mouse use by using your right hand thumb and the side buttons. In my opinion anyway, the mouse should always have something to do instead of making it easier for your left hand.
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1/2=army
3-Barracks
4-Factory
5-CC
6-Starport
7-Anything
8-Armory
9-E-Bay
0-Scout
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