EPTAfter all, Terrans probably needed a very strong Marauder to deal with all the Roaches...but if there are fewer Roaches on the field, then Marauders don't need to be as powerful...right?
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Captain Peabody
United States3135 Posts
After all, Terrans probably needed a very strong Marauder to deal with all the Roaches...but if there are fewer Roaches on the field, then Marauders don't need to be as powerful...right? | ||
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Three
Japan278 Posts
err, for the equally sizable army! | ||
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Bibdy
United States3481 Posts
On May 14 2010 09:29 Kyouya wrote: I dont make roaches anymore, im go from speedlings to fast lair into hydra or muta...  BLIZZARD!!!!!!!!!!!! Suit yourself. Enjoy getting run over by Speedlots until you remember what Roaches are for. | ||
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LorDo
Sweden485 Posts
Stupid. I mean because of the forge nerf it will be harder to get that forge up to defend against a double proxygate hence making it a more viable strategy. | ||
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hhrn
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BlasiuS
United States2405 Posts
I hope you're not suggesting that the thor was somehow able to kite before... | ||
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Archerofaiur
United States4101 Posts
My the times they are a changing... | ||
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[DUF]MethodMan
Germany1716 Posts
thor size reduced, wonderful. didnt cannonrush in bw, didnt cannonrush in sc2 so i cant feel the forge nerf, but it seems there was a problem, so no biggie here. | ||
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creepcolony
Germany362 Posts
* ZERG o Roach + Supply count increased from 1 to 2. WOW. Brutal ultralisk buff ! Straight into the face..I´d laugh if i wasnt zerg... | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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Shade692003
Canada702 Posts
On May 14 2010 09:38 Archerofaiur wrote: Who remembers when Protoss were about few units and Zerg was about many units? My the times they are a changing... I agree, I really hate how it seems the race's identities are getting blended. Either make the roach egg spawn 2 roaches and it cost 3 supplies, or get rid of some of the prior roach nerfs. Blizzard seems to always makes cool concepts, but because they always over adjust everything becomes more similar to one another and everything becomes a bit more bland. You can be sure things like vulture, mutas, dark swarm, irradiate wouldn't survived Blizzard's modern approach to balance. | ||
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shmoo
United States139 Posts
What I want to bring up is how for a very long time, people have been clamoring for change to the unholy trinity, the Roach, Marauder, and Immortal. Keep in mind that both the Marauder and Immortal are a great counter for the Roach. Zealot + Sentry is better against Marauders than Immortals cost efficiency wise. Now with the Roach nerfed, Immortals will see less play. There has been a decline in Marauder play already and this will probably have an effect on it too. The whole trinity has been nerfed, and each time a part of it is nerfed, it effects all three since they share some weird bastard relationship. Once again I am not saying these changes are good or bad, just simply pointing out some of the ramifications of these changes. | ||
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blahman3344
United States2015 Posts
Other than that, there might be a marauder nerf in future patches, because marauders needed to be buffed in order to fight mass roaches, but now that the roach numbers will be significantly less, marauders, in theory, should rip through roaches now. I'm not completely sure though, because if they nerf marauders for the sake of TvZ, then how will affect TvP? Personally, i haven't seen enough TvP/PvT games in order to make decent judgment on marauders in TvP. | ||
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fuzzehbunneh
United States66 Posts
On May 14 2010 09:45 shmoo wrote: I am not agreeing or even commenting on the actual changes that came down the pipe this time. What I want to bring up is how for a very long time, people have been clamoring for change to the unholy trinity, the Roach, Marauder, and Immortal. Keep in mind that both the Marauder and Immortal are a great counter for the Roach. Zealot + Sentry is better against Marauders than Immortals cost efficiency wise. Now with the Roach nerfed, Immortals will see less play. There has been a decline in Marauder play already and this will probably have an effect on it too. The whole trinity has been nerfed, and each time a part of it is nerfed, it effects all three since they share some weird bastard relationship. Once again I am not saying these changes are good or bad, just simply pointing out some of the ramifications of these changes. Id argue that the marauder will see much more play in tvz as the zerg wont really have a good counter to it at all until later. | ||
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Darkn3ss
United States717 Posts
On May 14 2010 09:37 BlasiuS wrote: I hope you're not suggesting that the thor was somehow able to kite before... I hope you're not suggesting that it SHOULD BE able to kite -.- On the patch: Roach nerf is very surprising... and will hit the zerg pretty hard imo I mean everything about the "ROACH" has been nerfed in the past patches... and now 2 supply? I suggested 2 supply back when they had 2 armor and didn't have to research burrow movement... I also suggested moving them to T2 and hydra back to 1.5 with 1 food... but apparently having a bunch of expensive ass, hungry zerg units is more balanced... "/ On May 14 2010 09:47 fuzzehbunneh wrote: Id argue that the marauder will see much more play in tvz as the zerg wont really have a good counter to it at all until later. Marauders already rape roach offcreep and without speed upgrade... now every T will just reaper harass into all-in marauder and maybe throw in a few hellions in there... | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On May 14 2010 09:47 fuzzehbunneh wrote: Id argue that the marauder will see much more play in tvz as the zerg wont really have a good counter to it at all until later. What? They nerfed the roach, which is bad against the maruader, how will that make us see more marauders? Are you saying it will take a longer time for zerg to get to anti-marauder units? I somehow doubt it to be honest. | ||
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roemy
Germany432 Posts
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Zeke50100
United States2220 Posts
On May 14 2010 09:31 Bibdy wrote: Suit yourself. Enjoy getting run over by Speedlots until you remember what Roaches are for. That's why you develop a Baneling Opening ^_^ | ||
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ghostnuke1234
164 Posts
On May 14 2010 06:49 iEchoic wrote: Terran gets smoked in almost every single tournament out there. Terran wins the least share of matches on BNet. And you're complaining about a very minor change to Terran and Protoss? Given, the Zerg change is large, but if it doesn't pan out, they can change things. It's a beta - and Zerg is certainly powerful enough to warrant a large change. ^^^ QFT | ||
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Darkn3ss
United States717 Posts
On May 14 2010 09:51 Zeke50100 wrote: That's why you develop a Baneling Opening ^_^ Care to share? On May 14 2010 06:49 iEchoic wrote: Terran gets smoked in almost every single tournament out there. Terran wins the least share of matches on BNet. And you're complaining about a very minor change to Terran and Protoss? Given, the Zerg change is large, but if it doesn't pan out, they can change things. It's a beta - and Zerg is certainly powerful enough to warrant a large change. Maybe it's not the race but the players? -.- Based on Asian rankings as of May 14th P and 2 T's top it... they do get followed by like 7 zergs tho but I think it proves the fact that terran can be used well and can win xD | ||
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