EPTTraining Camp in Arizona - Page 20
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Baerinho
Germany257 Posts
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c.Deadly
United States545 Posts
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Amnesia
United States3818 Posts
Great idea guys! GL with the camp. | ||
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
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Ahzz
Finland780 Posts
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
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OneBlueAugust
United States153 Posts
Just figured I'd offer this, as a sorta've "give-back" to the community that I've enjoyed for so many years. If anyone's interested, just PM me with the originating and destination addresses, along with the dimensions and weight of the box(s) you're using. You can just pay me with paypal, and I'll email over the .pdf labels to use on the box. From there you'll have to drop it off at a UPS store, or snag a passing driver. It's about a day for every 200 miles using UPS, so figure that into your lead-time. | ||
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Z-R0E
United States147 Posts
*You know baggage handlers aren't going to be careful, so you'd need considerably large boxes to properly pack. Especially if your smallest monitor is 24". If you're driving there, I'd definitely bring your tower. I mean, why not? If you're flying though, I think you'd be better off getting a cheap laptop instead. Heck, it's probably be cheaper in many circumstances. | ||
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landaishan
Australia104 Posts
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OneBlueAugust
United States153 Posts
If they're purchasing any of the infrastructure required for this event, then they're going to be making even less money. Even if they get lucky and find a couple big tables or desks off of Craigslist for nothing, they've still got to spend the money to go get them. They'll also need to provide chairs, sleeping materials (at least sleeping bags and pillows) and connectivity. Having run a few lans, they'll most likely have to buy at least a few surge protectors, and probably an extra router and some ethernet cables as well. I'd guesstimate these costs at around $250-$300, depending on if they're just planning on using extra blankets, or if they're going to be providing new sleeping bags. Honestly, if you take out the costs associated with something like this (increased power / water bill, required equipment, food and housing), the "trainers" are probably only coming away with $350.00 each if the advertised four trainers each take an equal cut. That's $87.5 per day. Not extravagant at all, in my opinion. Basically, it's a little more than you'd make as a burger slinger at McDonalds, and a good deal less than you'd make as a waitress at a relatively busy truck stop. | ||
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LuDwig-
Italy1143 Posts
This can be the start of progaming outside korea? XD However i like how incontrol & co are trying to morph their preferite hobby into a work! The major issue her eis that sc2 is a new game..so how can you say that you are good enough to teach someone at this stage of the game (think about the changes between patches, the new build going on day by day) | ||
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ilnp
Iceland1330 Posts
On May 11 2010 11:51 avilo wrote: Most people are probably negative/skeptical about this because really there are no SC2 progamers right now, regardless how talented or not talented EG is or however they want to hype themselves . Saying they are better than 99% of usa is an exaggeration imo, there are a lot a lot of other good players as well, and it being beta, nothing is fleshed out strategy wise. But these guys have strong SC background (OBVIOUSLY). my personal opinion: EG is very good, but no where near LEVELS above other top usa gamers that others could not offer the same type of service. with that being said, other top players are not offering this type of thing apparently, so what would be wrong with going to EG since they are offering it? platnium division is the top 10% in north america being top 1% is like what, 1500< in ladder? sorry =[ | ||
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Ballistixz
United States1269 Posts
i see alot of ppl saying "250$ for a weekends worth of SC2 knowledge will be very worth it!" or something similar. but i must ask the question how is it worth it? your paying 250$ to learn things YOU ALREADY KNOW. what can they teach u that isnt on guides of this site or others? its not like they are going to teach you anything new unless your a brand spanking new player to the SC universe. and lets say they do teach you something new. your still going to need to practice this on you own once the training camp finishes and you wont jump from say copper lvl player to gold/plat player in just 3 days time. basically the stuff they will teach u ins things you can easily learn yourself on your own time. after all how do u think THEY learned? you think some of these top players learned SC from going to countless training camps? no they learned on there own time and with there own skill and you can do the same. im not telling anyone how to spend there money because its there money, but all im saying is your paying to "learn" things that you already know. the only difference is someone is going to baby feed that knowledge to u in person. but i guess what im talking about will only account for the ppl that have been playing and following the SC scene for years and been playing on sc2 beta for months now. the newer players or players that just cannot get good on there own skill will probally benefit from this the most. in which case gl to u guys. | ||
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
On May 11 2010 10:58 GreggSauce wrote: 1. only lower level players will benefit from this right now, but lower level players need babysitting, which can EASILY be done through streaming of some sort, human interaction isn't necessary, just a streaming with a mic. 2. i'm not that great of a player, before I started goofing off I was just shy of the top 100 US rankings and judging from their recent performance theres absolutely nothing I could learn from them. Which is the case for probably all "real platinum" players. by real I mean players that understand the concepts in SC2 and don't just do a few unit combo's for each matchup and scream imba whenever it doesn't work. With this, the sweet spot will probably be silver/gold players with good mechanics but poor strategies/timings, this would probably be mostly strong CoH/DoW II players where timing windows don't really exist. and to your first comment about "being trained by the best" What if you were a college basketball player looking to improve yourself in order to reach the pros would you pay good money to train with another college team, or would you pay money to be trained by the pro's? the same logic can be used on everything you said. in the end my initial argument was that this is poorly timed considering the level of play they've recently shown, which isn't up to par yet. 1. I watch streams, I watch them quite a lot, nony,lz, psyonic, attero, goatrope, pimpmoo, ryan, sen, artosis... What this means is that I get a basic understanding of what builds are good etc., then I can go and try to copy that, but it's not close to someone playing with you and pointing out every single mistake you've made. Also the understanding you get by watching that is, like I said, only very basic and a lot of the time you wont even understand why they go for the things they go for, unless they commentate a lot, which out of all those players only ryan and sometimes pimpmoo does. 2. Yeah I'd pay to be trained by the pro's, and I do think that being one of the best 25 players in the country can be considered pro (if you dont think they are then you're just delusional). What I would not do is to refuse to be trained by anyone who is not THE best coach in the world. | ||
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Jimmy Raynor
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Ballistixz
United States1269 Posts
On May 11 2010 20:30 7mk wrote: 1. I watch streams, I watch them quite a lot, nony,lz, psyonic, attero, goatrope, pimpmoo, ryan, sen, artosis... What this means is that I get a basic understanding of what builds are good etc., then I can go and try to copy that, but it's not close to someone playing with you and pointing out every single mistake you've made. Also the understanding you get by watching that is, like I said, only very basic and a lot of the time you wont even understand why they go for the things they go for, unless they commentate a lot, which out of all those players only ryan and sometimes pimpmoo does. 2. Yeah I'd pay to be trained by the pro's, and I do think that being one of the best 25 players in the country can be considered pro (if you dont think they are then you're just delusional). What I would not do is to refuse to be trained by anyone who is not THE best coach in the world. watch and view your own replays. you should be able to learn what you did wrong just by simply viewing the game u played. | ||
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
On May 11 2010 21:01 Ballistixz wrote: watch and view your own replays. you should be able to learn what you did wrong just by simply viewing the game u played. Please, I've played on iccup before, I'm a platinum player and recently went on a 12 game win streak, I'm not a hardcore noob, of course I watch my replays. And when people do that then sure they will find mistakes they should have done differently, but there will a) be things you might not spot b) things you will not be aware of that they are wrong to do, because you dont have the extensive knowledge that these guys have. Like in my practice session with incontrol he pointed out that in one of the games we played, it was a huge mistake to build an immortal instead of going for colossi even faster. I wouldn't even have thought about that if he hadn't pointed that out. That's just one example of many. | ||
Xxio
Canada5565 Posts
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willeesmalls
United States477 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=124753¤tpage=1 A place where providers of sc2 knowledge can meet people who need that knowledge without risk of damaged computers/ closet rapists. Also hopefully people will stop bickering in this thread after they read the OP. | ||
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