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On April 30 2010 02:16 nybbas wrote:
We don't need a new league, they just need to make it more difficult to place/ get into platinum. They must have just let a ton of new people in since thelast wipe because when i finally did my placement matches the other night (after choosing the intermediate option for my placements) I was playing people who were building engineering bay first, and planetary defense in their main... when i dominated every one of my placements, i thought maybe the platinum people i would play would be decent, but it was the same garbage. i think you should only get into platinum if you choose the expert option, and win all your placements, otherwise you just have to earn your way in... I can imagine how people are playing in silver and gold atm because plat has been a joke since the last reset. (I am probably around a D+ player, and atm a D player would be able to get into platinum without a second though)
very true. i just got my beta invite and played won my 5 and got placed in plat league.. i am not that good and still havent even seen all the maps.. ive been practicing but there is no way someone that is just startin to play sc2 should get in to plat. everyone that goes 5-0 should be placed in gold then earn the right to move forward.. im sure after i start playin more ladder games ill get dropped down to gold but it was just to ez. gone from never playin to top league.. seems kinda weak.. i would have liked to work my way to that lvl but it is only beta..
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I don't know why people complain about this... do you really want to wait 10 minutes to be matched? This is the best SC2 has to offer in a convenient 1 minute wait time. If you want better you'll have to play in a long tournament or find friends who are really awesome to custom with. I doubt there's anyone who isn't able to benefit (someone who never loses) from the SC2 ladder system.
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I think most people are overstressing the placement matches. Someone else played my placement matches during all the profile-switching hooplah after the patch and put me into Silver. A day later I had been promoted all the way back to Platinum.
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^That has happened to me too, but quickly got to gold from win streaks. The gold to plat transition was weird though. I won 5 games in a row, next day played 2 games, lost both, on the 3rd game lost again to a slightly unfavored opponent due to bad play, but got promoted to plat after a lose streak.
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i hear that high rank plat players always say that the distribiution is fine and the oppenents are with simllar skill lvl so i realy dnk what's the prob with it...maybe going up to plat is easy but get in high rank is hard from what i know... :-/
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After teh 5 placement matches, you may or may not be where you belong, based on luck, but after youve been playing soem time, i feel that the matchmaking system works ok.
Eveen though there seems to be alot of bad plat players
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the distribution is bad atm but i agree with the people saying that with launch itll be a better spread.
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On April 30 2010 03:06 Legendary- wrote:It's been confirmed a long time ago. I can't even remember the source, but you can use the search function on team liquid. Apparently, all the replays in the pro league will be uploaded online automatically. Etc etc...
Ah. Good to hear I'm not just guessing then..
Don't like the sound of replays being uploaded automatically. Not at all..
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This thread kind of reminds me of WoW arena posts in a way. You've actually got some people in here saying that top 10 platinum players aren't that good. I'm baffled. Sort of like the people in WoW that once said "2k+ is noob". 2k+ was the top 5% of the entire playerbase.
Likewise here, if all the leagues are divided equally, then platinum is the top 20%.... top 10 of platinum is top 2% of all players. You're saying top 2% isn't that good? The elitist is strong within you.
I think that a pyramid scheme may work better than an even distribution in live, just due to the absurd amount of people that will be playing the game. No doubt that there will be something like 40,000 platinum divisions. But again, platinum is not doing a bad job of measuring skill right now. If someone bad is in platinum, it just means that the majority of top players are not good. If the majority of top players are not good, this is NOT a problem with the platinum league. It is a problem with the players. Over time this will change, and those undeserving will of course be knocked down.
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It's really based on perspective.
2k is very very easy to get for some players, for others they're stuck at 1500 forever.
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On April 30 2010 02:57 Day[9] wrote:
Oh wow I forgot half my point,
So, I think the division system is completely reasonable right now. I have a friend who, honestly, is completely horrendous at RTS games. He was put into the copper division. However, there, he has great competition! It's amazing how often he messages me excited that he played a really epic, awesome, rewarding game. So, I'm curious if the silver/gold/bronze leaguers have a similar experience too! From what I've heard, it seems to be the case.
I'm delighted that there's going to be a pro-division, a division for ze giganerds among us.
This is not the result of the divisions. The matchmaking doesn't care about your division, only about your internal rating. I was silver for a while after bad placement matches and before I was promoted to gold (and then plat) I was bashing platinums. So it doesn't matter if there are 2 leagues or 200. The matchmaking won't get any better or worse because of that.
Leagues only serve for one purpose: to be able to tell people how good you are. Right now platinum is somewhere from the very best players to something quite far from the top players.
So if I ask someone for their league and they say platinum, I could either bash them easily or get owned. More leagues would help here.
But I don't promote adding 5 new leagues. I'd just like the number of platinum players to be smaller. That way you would know that someone is pretty good if he is in there. It's not that important to have a fine granularity at the lower levels.
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So much that I would like to see get changed in sc2 that I dont even know where to start, this is one of them but I would focus on more serious issues in the game then this. Im not gonna bring up a bunch of stuff but if I had to say something about this issue, I would say they should add another league or reduce the points earned from games. Just a tought.
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More arbitrary ranks to make us feel good! I'm not necessarily being sarcastic XD. If day[9] is accurate with the whole, D+ is top 5% of bnet, there is kind of a problem, as iccup had a huge skill differential between the different letters. So if were squeezing everyone D+ and above into a single metal, we don't feel like we get to climb somthing fun like the alphabet. Numbers are great, but they don't have the same ring as Diamondillium or Diamondium.
Of course, our wish for ever more elite distinctions will further alienate new players, so maybe a comprimise in the form of achiements or somthing would be satisfying.
No, I still want my fictional metals.
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As a Silver player I think most Platinum player I meet are really good. Not necessarily the same level as Pros but significantly better than my level.
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^That has happened to me too, but quickly got to gold from win streaks. The gold to plat transition was weird though. I won 5 games in a row, next day played 2 games, lost both, on the 3rd game lost again to a slightly unfavored opponent due to bad play, but got promoted to plat after a lose streak.
This happened to my freind. He was #2 in gold, went on a short winning streak, then lost 2 games in a row to platinum players. He got promoted to platinum after the losses, and it was funny because he was technically ranked #1 in his division, at least for a short while.
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As of right now, because of how the system works, the skill level required to get into platinum has been lowered a lot since the beginning of the beta. Right now, because there's so many noobies just getting into the game, it makes getting into platinum much easier because their placements become easier overall. A silver player before the previous reset could now be in platinum because he ran into more people that were of lower skill level than him.
As an extreme example, imagine a server where everyone is B-A rank on iccup. Obviously, the skill level required to get into platinum is extremely high, relative to the rest of the world's skill level. The skill level of each league right now is determined by the players on the server, not by bnet. Whether that needs to change is up to debate.
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There is also only 5 placement matches for some weird reason which gives a really random league placement depending on your strat/opponent in those few games.
10 placement (like earlier in beta) gave a little bit more fair placement for the players.
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Proleague will fix this. No worries from my end.
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I agree with this thread. I'm not very good at all, highest was B in iCCup, and yet I recently reached number 1 in my platinum division just from massing games. But then again, this is beta. When the actual game comes out, I assume the skill distribution will be more apparent.
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On April 30 2010 02:14 Chill wrote:
I think people don't realize how hard it is to be good at RTS. This is no different than BW. Like I would be playing at B- making my usual mistakes and people would be shocked how bad I am, even if 99% of the viewers can't do it. It's the same here; running #1 in platinum, but being shockingly bad at the game.
Man this can't be said enough.
I mean, before I got the beta I would notice a lot of mistakes being made by plat players all the time. Then I got the beta and placed in... silver. whoopdeedoo.
People are just so used to watching pro level replays that anything less than that feels like kindergarten to them. We just tend to take for granted the sheer amount of effort it takes to practice hard and play at a high level.
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