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On April 30 2010 02:04 MorroW wrote:
i think it would be better if they just made so fewer ppl got to be plat rather than adding a new rank
the problem is the infinite amount of "leagues" not so much the rank. so like as copper/bronze/silver/gold are getting constantly promoted the game will continue to add on platinum leagues. i wouldn't be the least bit surprised if the number of platinum leagues are greater than the number of copper leagues.
in the end though, does it really even matter what league you're in if the game has a "secret" internal algorithm to set players up equally?
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On April 30 2010 02:04 MorroW wrote:
i think it would be better if they just made so fewer ppl got to be plat rather than adding a new rank
Definitely this. It seems like everyone is in plat, so being in plat really doesn't mean anything.
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How about another league that one cannot get to by doing placements, but by getting promoted from platinum? Would that work?
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leagues are important but 1500 plat is a world of difference from 1100 plat.
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I think the more Leages the better. Probably only till a certain amount but I find that the more leagues means closer matches and more accurate ranking
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On April 30 2010 02:06 HelloSon wrote:
They should have a league above plat that you DON'T get placed in; you have to earn the right to get in. That way people can't just be placed in this league with a bunch of easy placement matches.
This is the best idea, however blizzard would have to be careful how they go about setting it up. Usually when you get placed in platinum for the first time, you get a hefty bonus pool of pts as well, which do artifically inflate your actual rank by double. If they got rid of the huge bonus pool at the start, then they could have a cut off line at like 1700 platinum = advancement to the next league up, where only players capable of 1700+ can enter. This would allow the majority of struggling platinums to move up a bit as all of the upper echelon players get promoted past 1700.
I also think that if you dip below 1000 (which is the starting point) you should be demoted back down to the previous league. allow for 1-2 games max, which would drop you to 970ish, and then demote the person. There are alot of players sitting in platinum that are not even 1000 rated. These players should be demoted to increasee the skill level of gold, and remove the low skill from platinum.
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On April 30 2010 02:19 DragonDefonce wrote:
leagues are important but 1500 plat is a world of difference from 1100 plat.
true this...It was easy at first but it's hard to gain more pts pass 1700...my w:l ratio dropped to barely 50% and i lose more pts than when I win...wtf
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I'm guess Blizzard made it so each league has roughly the same amount of players, and for every player that moves up a player moves down. That's how relative scoring systems work usually. I'm guessing we're just underestimating how many people are really bad at sc2.
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Lol, adding another tier isnt going to change anything. It will still be the same exact problem
It will be naturally fixed by adding more / better players
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On April 30 2010 02:21 eXigent. wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2010 02:06 HelloSon wrote:
They should have a league above plat that you DON'T get placed in; you have to earn the right to get in. That way people can't just be placed in this league with a bunch of easy placement matches. This is the best idea, however blizzard would have to be careful how they go about setting it up. Usually when you get placed in platinum for the first time, you get a hefty bonus pool of pts as well, which do artifically inflate your actual rank by double. If they got rid of the huge bonus pool at the start, then they could have a cut off line at like 1700 platinum = advancement to the next league up, where only players capable of 1700+ can enter. This would allow the majority of struggling platinums to move up a bit as all of the upper echelon players get promoted past 1700.
that doesn't solve the "problem", the issue is with points. so as soon as there's another cap (especially with bonus/rested point inflation) it's just going to be the new gold league.
the real change should be that whenever you're considered to move up a rank someone else should be considered to lose their spot. otherwise there will be infinite leagues at whatever the top league is called at the time
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When they put more placements back in the game the skill level of platinum players will be a bit better. I didn't even try in my placements and I still ended up going 5-0. You need about 15-20 placement games where if you win you play a person with the same placement record as you. eg: 7-0 placement would play another 7-0 in their placements for their 8th game.
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You do realize competition for the spots in platinum will grow harder once the game is actually released?
Also - if you're good enough, you're gonna play the best. It's not a random match-finding system where any user from a specific bracket gets paired up with any other user from that same bracket.
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Once the game comes out it will be alot more normalized where you get placed in leagues, so i think this is only a problem because its the beta
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I do feel like most platinum level players aren't that good.
Most platinum players I play and I beat easily I swear are gold and I am surprised when I see platinum  .
I do hope when the games released it is a bit harder because right now its way to easy imo.
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On April 30 2010 02:04 MorroW wrote:
i think it would be better if they just made so fewer ppl got to be plat rather than adding a new rank
Agreed. A lot of the leagues below Platinum are underutilised. So I think perhaps they should raise the requirements to qualify. Not just for the Platinum league, but also the other leagues as well.
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Diamond league!
and international pro league with latency requirements
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this is beta and like 99% of the players sub gold couldnt win a rnd battle.net game for their life. also you get alot of "yeah lucky placements im plat!" guys which will happen way way way less after release.
also people still figure out strats,basics and abuse OP stuff in every patch which often brings overall crappy 1trick players up fast.
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I do agree that there is a large difference between the top tier platinum players and the more casual players such that its impossible to tell if a top 10 plat player is good, but really I don't think this is that big of an issue. The game is new and people are trying to figure out BO's yet, thus "copying" is impossible so a lot of good players in SC1 have the potential to be horrible in SC2 for a while if they cant think on their feet. I think once a larger player pool enters and proper BO's are established the differences between leagues will become quite obvious. Let alone if you think players in platinum are just horrible, well clearly you haven't seen players in the lower leagues....
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I thought about this matter too and i came up with this solution :
Open Proleague for the top 100 Players with only 1 Division. Optionable more than 100 but only 1 division.
Setup some servers just for proleague so this one league/div can be entered from every gateway.
At least this way we could see and compare the best Players from all around the globe.
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On April 30 2010 02:25 Clearout wrote:
Once the game comes out it will be alot more normalized where you get placed in leagues, so i think this is only a problem because its the beta
There're ~15k people playing at all times right now. That's not trivial. Blizzard will keep a top heavy system so that people can say "o, yeah, I'm in platinum" and be happy with the game. It's exactly why they implemented divisions so lots of people can say "o yea, I'm gold #1" or "I'm top 10 plat!"
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