With persistent accounts (no resetting) and matchmaking, the iccup ladder system seems near flawless to me. I just want to play people who are the same skill as me. A system like iccup would facilitate that best.

sprockets2000

5 Posts

May 01 2010 03:35 GMT

#322

YEs there is an FING problem, I am a gold player #4 and im playing a plat player right now first one ive played, and ive defeated him i have 90% of my bases no peons though and no air, he has a command center in the corner of the map and has been afk for like 2 hours he just comes back and says ill bbiab WTF this is stupid and in my opinion this dude should get banned sure you can lift off but i think blizz would agree this is a gross misuse of the mechanic

edit: heh sorry for the rant

billyX333

United States1360 Posts

May 01 2010 03:45 GMT

#323

IMO (as many have said) Plat should be very difficult to get into
I think they should require far more than 5 games to get into plat league
Although it may be tedious at first but I think it would be best for creating a more competitive upper league w/o so many waste of time games

Perhaps if we go 5-0 in our placement matches, maximum placement would be gold and be required to be re-evaluated after 25 games
(this will be better for release while in beta it may be annoying since there are more frequent resets)

Kiarip

United States1835 Posts

May 01 2010 03:47 GMT

#324

Rhodium is the only metal more expensive per mass than platinum.

Then you also have gold Iridium, Osmium, Ruthenium, and etcs.

Prometheus2011

Kazakhstan76 Posts

May 01 2010 04:30 GMT

#325

I'm in the Amex black card division.

You know, the like 5 pound thick-ass black card?

yah...

Batssa

United States154 Posts

May 01 2010 04:48 GMT

#326

This just seems like a horrible-horrible thread. There are alot of people out there that don't visit teamliquid to get up-to-date information about new sc2 strats everyday. I've been plat since the beginning of beta, but I don't think anything is wrong with the system at hand. I wouldn't mind a change, but I think the system fits, and when the game is released it will be fine. Why is everyone complaining? Half the people in plat here prob won't be in plat a month after the release of the game with the influx of new players.

Kinky

United States4126 Posts

May 01 2010 04:54 GMT

#327

On May 01 2010 13:48 Batssa wrote:
This just seems like a horrible-horrible thread. There are alot of people out there that don't visit teamliquid to get up-to-date information about new sc2 strats everyday. I've been plat since the beginning of beta, but I don't think anything is wrong with the system at hand. I wouldn't mind a change, but I think the system fits, and when the game is released it will be fine. Why is everyone complaining? Half the people in plat here prob won't be in plat a month after the release of the game with the influx of new players.

Actually, with so many new players entering at the release, the skill level required to get into plat will be lowered a lot more. Why? Because of all the people who will buy the game, there's going to be a LOT more new players than seasoned RTS players, filling up the lower leagues and pushing everyone else into plat. With the system as it is now, more noobs make it easier for any general person to get into plat.

I have a friend who was silver before the last reset, and after the reset, he got into platinum because he said his placement matches were so much easier.

Batssa

United States154 Posts

May 01 2010 04:59 GMT

#328

I did say a month after release, maybe give it two to three months. Plat will include players that are really good, and players that aren't so great... but just better than the tier below them. I don't get why everyone is up in arms about this.

cartoon]x

United States606 Posts

May 01 2010 05:04 GMT

#329

When the game is released to the masses, the skill level of platinum will drop. That is obvious and shouldn't require an explanation. Also, it will stay this way for much longer than 1 or 2 months. Probably more like 1 or 2 years, maybe longer.

Redding

Australia5 Posts

May 01 2010 05:14 GMT

#330

This is my first RTS, and only played the beta for a few weeks, started in bronze and now in plat, so there is clearly something wrong. I think recently its been alot easier to get into plat because of all the new players getting into the beta. But still..

WorkersOfTheWorld

United States619 Posts

May 01 2010 05:27 GMT

#331

On May 01 2010 13:30 Prometheus2011 wrote:
I'm in the Amex black card division.

You know, the like 5 pound thick-ass black card?

yah...

Nu uh.

krowe

United States184 Posts

May 01 2010 05:29 GMT

#332

yeah I realized this, it took me about 30 games total from just starting out and I am now in platinum.

chung

Korea (South)43 Posts

May 01 2010 08:22 GMT

#333

When the actual game is released, I expect platinum league to be much more competitive. Right now, you can easily get top 10 plat with just one good cheese B.O. and maybe 40 APM as long as you play enough.

Lighioana

Norway466 Posts

May 01 2010 08:31 GMT

#334

I don't think we should judge it on how it is now.

Sgt.Fluffy

United States15 Posts

May 01 2010 12:24 GMT

#335

I think the ranking system is pretty legit. I've always been ranked well in 1v1 and generally have around a 1:1 win:loss ratio. Its not perfect though, for example me and my buddy where able to rank platinum 2v2 even though I'm not all that good and he is actually pretty bad. The promotion thing is a little weird too, at one point I was in a gold 2v2 league with a buddy and we were not doing so well, sitting down at around the 80's, and then we got our shit together, tweaked our start a little, won like 5 games in a row, got up to place 30 or something, and then got demoted to silver???? Overall I think its better than like any other internet match up system so far though.

Klockan3

Sweden2866 Posts

May 01 2010 19:27 GMT

#336

I think that the league system isn't there for the better players but for the bad players. A noob will basically see it as it being 4 skill levels, he might start out in copper and after a short bit of playing he ends up in bronze! That is one third of the way to platinum!!! to him that would seem like a huge leap which is good for getting people hooked. Once they are hooked they can live with working for their rankups but at first it is good to have this handhelding.

Everyone decent will end up in platinum, but seriously do any of you guys really need this? I mean, the copper->bronze->silver->gold->platinum is basically the steps a noob have to climb before he can play, a tutorial if you will.

iSTime

1579 Posts

May 01 2010 19:34 GMT

#337

On May 01 2010 06:39 Mr.E wrote:

Show nested quote +

The significance there is that leagues themselves should hold some meaning to the competitive player. Casual players should feel good about getting into silver.

Competitive players can find meaning in their rating within platinum. Do competitive players really need blizzard to put them in a different league to feel good about themselves? I would be more satisfied personally with just a straight up elo rating system and no rating divisions, but casual players obviously want different divisions.

jstar

Canada568 Posts

May 01 2010 19:35 GMT

#338

On May 01 2010 12:35 sprockets2000 wrote:
YEs there is an FING problem, I am a gold player #4 and im playing a plat player right now first one ive played, and ive defeated him i have 90% of my bases no peons though and no air, he has a command center in the corner of the map and has been afk for like 2 hours he just comes back and says ill bbiab WTF this is stupid and in my opinion this dude should get banned sure you can lift off but i think blizz would agree this is a gross misuse of the mechanic

edit: heh sorry for the rant

lol you didn't win, and he didn't lose anymore than you did.

It's a draw.

Rabbet

Canada404 Posts

May 01 2010 19:47 GMT

#339

I agree, I did my placement matches and went 2-3. I didn't realize the hotkeys would be so different and it took a few games to figure things out. I haven't played many games but I am going against platinum players right now that are really bad. One protoss tryed to sneak a probe into my base after my scv was already building my depot, then when I killed in his warping pylon he went outside my base to set up a cannon "contain". Only problem was my base had 2 entrances and my scouting scv built a factory in his base. His strategy is a grade 2 strat and there is no chance of success with this in broodwar or sc2. He was ranked ~40 in a platinum division.

Level10Peon

United States59 Posts

May 01 2010 20:48 GMT

#340

Many people here are, frankly, being elitist. Others have said this, but people must realize that anybody who played on ICCUP was at least in the top 10% of BW players. Not to mention that the way ICCUP was designed drove newbies away. When I first got into ICCUP, I was owned by people ranked D-, needless to say I just waited for SCII. Now though, I started in copper, but have made my way to the top of bronze, and I am now on the verge of hitting silver. In ICCUP, gaining rank was nearly impossible, even after I played +300 games in a 3 month time period. I never had competitive matches in ICCUP, now I actually have epic and fun games. Remember, SCII is not all about the top players.