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Now , I am not meaning in the way you can artificially increase your APM where you can just spam click, but I am meaning in the way that it is your true APM.
Currently I sit around 60-70 APM and I feel that is very poor (I am like a High Gold but I dont think I am that great at all). I want to get into the habit of increasing my APM so that I am more active and aware of my surrondings, I feel APM is one of themost important skills to have in this game alongside a tactical knowledge.
I would just appreciate any tips/tricks/pointers that I could use, alot of the time I am just sitting around and losing my concentration in the game, thus losing alot due to this. I feel by increasing my APM my micro/macro is going to get better, I just want to keep myself on a high APM constantly, I was hoping over time I would gradually increase but I am not it seems -_-
Its really frustrating for me because I got 200+ APM in HoN where I was definately top tier (I know they are differnet games but I know I can have high APM), and it really helped me to keep focused and on my toes, but for some reason playing this game I am just not keeping active and losing concentration.
I just feel my reactions etc are slower then what they can be, I feel very sluggish playing this game.
I am having trouble like putting down the point I want but I hope you understand.
Thanks guys and I really love this forum, its helped me improve.
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I think you value APM too much.
If you are more accurate, you need less clics.
Maybe that would help you.
Macroing is APM demanding but not THAT much.
Most of those who got 100+APM clic more than necessary.
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The best way to increase APM is just to practice a lot.
Concentrate hard on multitasking in your games - the more effectively you can macro, micro and multitask (ie, the better you are...) the higher your apm will be.
You don't increase APM to get better, getting better increases your APM, right?
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I'm in the same boat. My highest apm in sc2 so far was around 80 avg. I try to do stuff as fast as possible but still can't reach 100 avg. I guess I just need to play more games.
The good news is, I've actually won games where my opponent has twice my apm!
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60-70 APM can easily bring you up to mid level platinum. If you are only gold, then APM is not your problem, and you should not worry about it.
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60-70 apm for platinum >.<
Bring skill back to SC plz!
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if you have the potential (as seen in your HoN games) to have high APM, then its only the matter of practicing enough so that the keyboard shortcuts become second nature to you.. the beta has only been out for a couple of months.. while others are naturally tuned b/c of war3 and sc1, it probably takes dota/HoN players who've never micro'd more than 5 units before (because you can summon multiple unist in HoN/dota) to be disoriented, confused and find themselves placed in leagues such as copper bronze or maybe silver if they fluke a placement match...
in all seriousness.. if you start spamming your shotcuts and waste your apm this will help the process a bit :D
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Don't worry too much about your apm, the more you will play the more it will increas naturally, but it will reach a soft ceilling. (Around 120apm for me). At your point I'd really focus on the macro, chances are you may have some 1k minerals sometimes. Build more production building, expand more, macro more. This is what really helped me personnally.
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Actually, the way I got my apm up back in the day was to simply set an apm goal like, say 160 and then try to reach that no matter what. This meant that I did a lot of useless spam, and yes it was detrimental to my game, but after about just 10 or so games I could already feel I was getting more used to operating at a higher pace. Just try to push yourself a little bit every game, even if it means doing some unnecessary spam, and you'll soon be making progress.
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the apm recording in hon and sc2 are both flawed.
for example, in hon (i assume you're talking about 200 apm with chen/ophelia) the game records 1 action per unit that is selected. i.e 2 units 1 click is 2 actions, 3 units with 1 click is 3 actions etc.
in addition to that, the time in "faster" is multiplied by 38.25% or something like that. so 60-70 is roughly somewhere around 80-95ish.
anyway, you're probably around the same apm in both games due to the games bad apm counting
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Focus on speed. The best way to do this is to watch an FPVOD/Stream of a fast player and then play games keeping speed in mind. You will naturally move faster and obviously more speed-->more effective apm.
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high apm in hon is like...not necessary?! thats just mass clicking..
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haha HoN apm means nothing
apm in general is of course a bad way to determine skill, but typically as skill rises so does apm. no point spamming clicks and shit if ur not actually DOING anything, u can watch tons of plat/gold replays where zerg players have 150+ apm yet their queens are sitting on a ridiculous 150+ energy most of the game T_T
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To wrags, in HoN i am not talking about Chen and I am aware, when I used a single hero I rarely used hold posistion prefering to constantly click and spam to dance and keep on the move keeping yourself alert.
And I was thinking to maybe play against the comp and just practise on macro/microing, just seeing what I can do, because when I find myself on 3 bases I just feel overwhelmed and fall quickly behind...
I want a better APM because I dont feel confident doing stuff such as thors drops because I know I will fall behind, even a simple Zealot rush/harass results in me being miles behind
and to those mocking HoN apm means nothing it does, rarely do the top players have low APM because they are constantly moving, a hero who is sitting still is easier to harass and land spells such as pyros stun. I stomp noobs because they are so easy to predict
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My only suggestion is to limit the amount of time you spend on a single screen. Limit yourself to only 2-3 second per screen before jumping away to somewhere else. This raises your APM and also helps you with multitasking.
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there is good apm and bad apm, don't try to increase your apm, just play a lot and you should get more accurate in time, watch livestreams of people like orb and nony and try to play like them. I have 140ish peaking at 170ish in games, none of which is spam, except at the start where all I have are 6 scvs.
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apm in hon is bs because you pretty much control 1 unit the whole time. That's why the 200+ you get doesn't mean anything because Starcraft requires you to manage a shit ton of things all at once.
But yeah once you start getting used to everything you'll get faster its just a matter of practice.
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On April 29 2010 06:55 ChimpyNuts wrote:
To wrags, in HoN i am not talking about Chen and I am aware, when I used a single hero I rarely used hold posistion prefering to constantly click and spam to dance and keep on the move keeping yourself alert.
And I was thinking to maybe play against the comp and just practise on macro/microing, just seeing what I can do, because when I find myself on 3 bases I just feel overwhelmed and fall quickly behind...
I want a better APM because I dont feel confident doing stuff such as thors drops because I know I will fall behind, even a simple Zealot rush/harass results in me being miles behind
and to those mocking HoN apm means nothing it does, rarely do the top players have low APM because they are constantly moving, a hero who is sitting still is easier to harass and land spells such as pyros stun. I stomp noobs because they are so easy to predict
You should practice new techniques/maneuvers (thor drop as you mentioned) anyway even if you know you'll fall behind. Eventually you'll get used to it and manage to incorporate it into your normal actions. Practice makes perfect.
And your last bit still doesn't make it any better, obv. your not sitting there but your still only controlling one unit. In HoN your dodging stuff (pyro stun, arrow, rockets) with one guy (your hero) while in starcraft your dodging things (multiple psi storms, HS missiles, etc.) with your entire army (big blob of shit) WHILE macroing units and managing a bunch of other stuff like number of production buildings/upgrades/worker transfer/supply count/ scouting/macro mechanics (chrono, spawn larva, mules).
Difference is just too big for it to even compare
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On April 29 2010 06:51 selboN wrote:
60-70 apm for platinum >.<
Bring skill back to SC plz!
I dont think you realise how bad most people are at RTS games.
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I am a very nervous player, sometimes I stream with a hundred or so, sometimes less people, than play in craft cup weekly eu and us, the zotac beginning pregrid rounds, and my APM will jump up and down.
I think a real measurement is you playing comfortably, knowing you are under control, and really taking a lease of your effective APM.
As your surrounding awareness goes up, as well as your ability to adapt, you APM will sky rocket as you grow.
Don't value it so high that you mass click here and there. When you start learning to do things like defend a push and medivac drop at the same time, and see that you should be paying more attention in multiple places, maybe it's time to practice it and then you will see your APM plays a much bigger part into your skill level.
For the most part, it doesn't. Just hang back, learn the game, and enjoy the ride.
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