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ChimpyNuts
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom50 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-28 22:25:52
April 28 2010 22:24 GMT
#41
Alright guys I will try practising spam and try and keep it in mind when I play, I been meaning to try it but I just forget and resort to clicking once a minute

That game sounds awsome I am gonna try it!
PineappleSage
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada109 Posts
April 28 2010 22:26 GMT
#42
Try doing what day[9] said to do. Just spam and get used to then game and move your army around. If you feel like you cant do anything build stuff and scout and keep the money low. If you spam you will find it easyer to go faster later. ;-D
zerglings ^^
Zhou
Profile Joined February 2009
United States832 Posts
April 28 2010 22:26 GMT
#43
On April 29 2010 06:58 Joey.rumz wrote:
I am a very nervous player, sometimes I stream with a hundred or so, sometimes less people, than play in craft cup weekly eu and us, the zotac beginning pregrid rounds, and my APM will jump up and down.

I think a real measurement is you playing comfortably, knowing you are under control, and really taking a lease of your effective APM.

As your surrounding awareness goes up, as well as your ability to adapt, you APM will sky rocket as you grow.

Don't value it so high that you mass click here and there. When you start learning to do things like defend a push and medivac drop at the same time, and see that you should be paying more attention in multiple places, maybe it's time to practice it and then you will see your APM plays a much bigger part into your skill level.

For the most part, it doesn't. Just hang back, learn the game, and enjoy the ride.


I myself am a pretty nervous player. APM can mean how well one can multitask, but if you're comfortable and you don't panic when you're playing, you should be doing fine. Precision is more important, especially since SC2 doesn't require such high APM compared to its original self.

If you want to bring it higher, I think most people just spam a bunch of commands to keep their APM high. They probably do it so they can maintain a speed and be ready for when they actually do need to have high APM. You could try that maybe?
Hyperion2010
Profile Joined April 2010
United States122 Posts
April 28 2010 22:28 GMT
#44
Your apm will go up on its own as you play. Most of it is simply motor learning which just takes time and repetitions. The key though is to form consistent habits for hotkeys etc. so you dont even have to think about it. All praises to the great motor memory center in the brain!
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Perfect Balance
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway131 Posts
April 28 2010 22:33 GMT
#45
I see platinum players with 70 APM all the time, it's just a shame. Because of the mechanics of the game, APM isn't required to control units, patrol-attack or micro your mutas. So this game basically requires much less micro than BW, unless you're microing three dropships for harrass while macroing with the hotkeys.
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RumZ
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States956 Posts
April 28 2010 22:34 GMT
#46
On April 29 2010 07:26 Zhou wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2010 06:58 Joey.rumz wrote:
I am a very nervous player, sometimes I stream with a hundred or so, sometimes less people, than play in craft cup weekly eu and us, the zotac beginning pregrid rounds, and my APM will jump up and down.

I think a real measurement is you playing comfortably, knowing you are under control, and really taking a lease of your effective APM.

As your surrounding awareness goes up, as well as your ability to adapt, you APM will sky rocket as you grow.

Don't value it so high that you mass click here and there. When you start learning to do things like defend a push and medivac drop at the same time, and see that you should be paying more attention in multiple places, maybe it's time to practice it and then you will see your APM plays a much bigger part into your skill level.

For the most part, it doesn't. Just hang back, learn the game, and enjoy the ride.


I myself am a pretty nervous player. APM can mean how well one can multitask, but if you're comfortable and you don't panic when you're playing, you should be doing fine. Precision is more important, especially since SC2 doesn't require such high APM compared to its original self.

If you want to bring it higher, I think most people just spam a bunch of commands to keep their APM high. They probably do it so they can maintain a speed and be ready for when they actually do need to have high APM. You could try that maybe?


Actually I also agree warming up hands in this case has been pretty instrumental and plus it seems to, at least personally, heighten awareness heading into a match.

Has the OP messed around with lassoing workings and pressing c for return cargo as often as he can while still being able to properly build his base?

Another big reason high apm and awareness with hotkeys and such is early game scouting. I find that if you just make a bunch of waypoints for your scout it sometimes takes a split second for him to turn here and there, and the best way is to manually build your base and manually move your scouting worker at the same time.

This will do 2 great things:

1) Prepare your hands for fast movement going into a battle where you will begin to feel comfortable and maintaining that highly valued APM number at a solid amount.

2) It teaches you to keep your scout alive as long as you can to gather as much data as possible about your opponent going into the mid to late portion of the early game stage, which can be extremely informational on how you plan to adapt to your opponents perceived strategy.


Try it against the 'Very Easy' computer if you are unsure of your capabilities, and take it to Ladder when you're comfortable. It's something (and probably the only thing) that can be practiced against that terrible AI.
Izslove
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia69 Posts
April 28 2010 22:36 GMT
#47
Just a tip if you are not doing anything with your army be cycling your production facilities making sure you are as close to 0 minerals/gas unless you are saving for some form of tech make sure you are always at 100% worker production even after saturation seeing as you can use the extras to maynard you're next expo.

Pre-queuing early isnt always a bad thing I usually queue my next set of units @~ 75%-80% completion

Normally just focusing on this I've been getting closer my aim of 110+ apm over 10+mins matches though when I spam hard at the start and keep doing the above constantly Ive been hitting the 150 mark in shorter games.
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ChimpyNuts
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom50 Posts
April 28 2010 22:37 GMT
#48
Joey love that advise think I will try that, thats something I had huge trouble with was controlling the worker and building my base, so I just did the lazy way of waypointing.
ilnp
Profile Joined December 2002
Iceland1330 Posts
April 28 2010 22:41 GMT
#49
On April 29 2010 07:23 Treliant wrote:
It sounds to me like your problem is not really Apm so much as your ability to divide attention between 10 different things ie. the multitasking. That will just come with practice and familiarity I don't think there is any way to quickly learn effective multitasking, you just have to work at it. Whenever i have a couple of spare moment I also play this webbrowser based game:

http://www.kongregate.com/games/IcyLime/multitask

It's incredibly simple but I've found it has worked wonders for teaching me to split my attention and keep track of at least 4 things running simultaneously. I'm only a copper lvl player but noticed a significant jump in my win rates after i started playing it in my spare time.



thanks, i was looking for a multitask minigame that i liked. this one is tough.

OP:

try to pick something more specific than "APM" and work on it by simplifying the rest of your game and focusing on one thing. you'll never get better if you try to get better at everything all the time. Do you want to remember to build stuff while you're harassing or even attacking? Want to remember to keep building scvs no matter what? Etc. Pick one specific attribute and get better at it.
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Gryffes
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom763 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-28 22:43:34
April 28 2010 22:43 GMT
#50
Here's what got my APM up in a matter of never having played an RTS for 10 years to peaking getting up pretty high.

Instead of thinking "what do I do now" make a list/group in your head that you keep a track off, so for zerg I'm keeping track of my hatcheries ( Hatch 1/hatch2/hatch3 - I have to spawn larva on them ) as well as keeping a rough gameplan in my head as to what I'm trying to accomplish and what I need to do that instead of just looking at my base/the map and thinking "now what?".

The trick for me was keeping track of my component pieces ( hatches/queens/ unit type 1/unit type 2 etc / scouting unit 1/ etc ) as well as ALWAYS having a plan for the next few minutes of the game.

Helped tremendously to go from a 60 apm peak to 200+ peak. as well as taking my average up quite a lot as well.
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Gryffes
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom763 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-28 22:43:27
April 28 2010 22:43 GMT
#51
whoops double post
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Libtech
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada9 Posts
April 28 2010 22:47 GMT
#52
10 pointless clicks aren't worth as much as 1 effective action.

That said, once you get used to your race(s) your APM will naturally increase as your get better and games become more intense.
Thus, what is of supreme importance in war is to attack the enemies strategy - Sun Tzu
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
April 28 2010 22:50 GMT
#53
If you still have broodwar installed on your computer, give this map a try.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=121908

Just started playing it, and it works wonders for mini map recognition and multi task.
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StayFrosty
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada743 Posts
April 28 2010 22:51 GMT
#54
200 average here. I don't really spam a lot, but using hotkeys and switching between them constantly helps me feel like I'm in total control.
OPSavioR
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden1465 Posts
April 28 2010 22:51 GMT
#55
just push yourself to your APM , you think you spam alot but it is quite usefull to have all for example one hotkey and jumping back and checking how long time until next spawn larvae thats what i did from almost no hotkeys to hotkeying everything.
i dunno lol
ChimpyNuts
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom50 Posts
April 28 2010 22:52 GMT
#56
I have Brood War but sadly never played it, I was too young to get it when it was first released and then I got Wc3 and I got sucked into that game more, but looking back I really wish I played Brood War, I suck yes I know, and to be honest only since HoN have I looked to really seek playing games competitively, for I loved that game so much and got so good at it, since I got my hands on SC2 though I been really wanting to get good at this , its so damn good but tough :p
St0rmRush
Profile Joined February 2003
Brazil448 Posts
April 28 2010 22:55 GMT
#57
Just try to multitask well and hihg APM will come eventually. Thats what i did in BROOD WAR. Dont really know if SC2 has hihg APM requirements but based on stuff i ready here it seems you dont need it...
you could AIM for a X APM but i think you only end up spaming HK and clicks
Clow
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Brazil880 Posts
April 28 2010 22:55 GMT
#58
Just spam and play a lot of games. The more you play, the better your mechanics become, and with mechanics your APM increases. You shouldn't be worrying about APM.. it comes with time, and if you keep on spamming you'll start getting used to doing things faster.
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Speake
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States494 Posts
April 28 2010 22:59 GMT
#59
If it hasnt already been mentioned, day[9] noted that the best way to increase your APM is to continually spam stuff. This will make you do your actions more quickly as you always think about going back and spamming more. You should get worse at first and then learn to use that spamming on efficient actions

I have about 130 apm as terran and am hanging around the top of platinum on the EU servers, and there is definitely MUCH more i could be doing
tQ.Speake
Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
April 28 2010 23:04 GMT
#60
Geez 200 apm in hon sounds mad hard...

i have like 300 in sc, but like 120 in hon :S
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