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wrags
United States379 Posts
On April 23 2010 10:10 Archerofaiur wrote: The incredible irony of this whole arguement is that Nony, for all the fight hes putting up, agrees that Spawn Larva should have more decision making. ok now you're just trolling | ||
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Reuental
United States457 Posts
On April 23 2010 09:46 Krikkitone wrote: so you suggest that there be a difficulty to the action of having my marine fire on the only enemy unit in range? Oh wow. Such a obvious straw man. | ||
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ploy
United States416 Posts
Archerofaiur your saying that building depots/pylons/overlords having decision making tensions is, at absolute best, a huge stretch. | ||
NonY
8751 Posts
On April 23 2010 10:12 Adeeler wrote: hehe yeh probably  I just don't see why anyone should need to live a skrewed up life just cos of a shit UI in a game they enjoy just to stay competative. The better mind should win everytime not the best muscles/genes/lifestyle that allows access to the most practice time. 20 hours a week seems like enough to me. 40 hours if its your actual job you'd put that in as a matter of course but should we be doing that just to be mechanically capable as non-pro-housed players? I think not. Well I guess here is where we disagree... SC:BW supports almost 300 Koreans playing SC:BW full time. And there are hundreds (thousands?) more Koreans who would play it full time if they had the opportunity. And there are a lot of non-Koreans who would do it too, though it's hard to say how many. I don't want someone who is playing 20 hours a week to be a top player. Maybe we are just using the words good/great differently. Yeah, someone playing 20 hours ought to be able to be pretty good, but not winning major tournaments... | ||
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LaNague
Germany9118 Posts
And spawn larvae is quite powerful, but much more difficult to use now than for example terran MULEs, you have to use it every time its up or you loose the benefit for as long as you forget while terrans can use the energy later and make up for their failure. You also need to use it double as often and you have to click at multiple locations instead of a single mineral line. Also, handling your time spend at doing stuff is ALSO decision making. And there are games that tried to cut off all the stuff that could be automated and it turned out that it makes the game less interesting. For example Age of Mythology's expansion The Titans introduced automated building of units and workers, fans found that (and other stuff) terrible and after a bit they just stopped using the xpack completely and just played the vanilla game for multiplayer. Edit: The better mind should win everytime not the best muscles/genes/lifestyle that allows access to the most practice time. Sc2 is a RTS, time you need for your actions matter. Otherwise you could just play a turnbased startegy game in simultaneous mode. And as everything at life, poeple that put effort in things tend to be better than others, its like this in sports, science etc, its also like this in MP-games. This is a very common discussion in MMO forums btw since there time spend directly equals the amount of content you can access, but some people want to see all content no matter how much time invested because they payed the same as the hardcore players. | ||
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NonY
8751 Posts
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Blacklizard
United States1194 Posts
No wireframe macro usage bad. Green health bar fix good. I'd like to see them make health bars transparent or make a TRUE toggle (press ALT once and it stays one, press ALT again and it stays off)... just so the game would look a little cleaner. Always on obviously is very beneficial, but it just looks bad. Lots of other good hidden changes. | ||
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lolreaper
301 Posts
On April 23 2010 08:29 Mnijykmirl wrote: It was an extension of the smart casting. When you have multiple spellcasters selected, when told to cast a spell, the caster with enough energy closest to the place you told it to cast will be the one that casts at that location. What doesn't "deserve" to be in SC2 is such a shittily designed macro mechanic. If a macro mechanic was intended to add a gain from having APM spent on macro, or create an additional decision making process with "energy tension" of the macro mechanic, or just make the player look back at their base, the design of spawn larva failed all three. The solution would clearly be to rethink spawn larva, not remove ability/spellcasting on wire-frames. this most people dont know but blizzard intentionally added chronoboost/mule/spawn larva just to make macro more demanding, smart casting "bug" made it easier as intended thats why they fixed it in this patch. | ||
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Spawkuring
United States755 Posts
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Archerofaiur
United States4101 Posts
On April 23 2010 10:21 ploy wrote: Archerofaiur your saying that building depots/pylons/overlords having decision making tensions is, at absolute best, a huge stretch. Do you really want to get into a debate about which has more decision making supply or Spawn Larva? Pretty sure Id win that one  | ||
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Gescom
Canada3509 Posts
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Adeeler
United Kingdom764 Posts
On April 23 2010 10:21 Liquid`NonY wrote: Well I guess here is where we disagree... SC:BW supports almost 300 Koreans playing SC:BW full time. And there are hundreds (thousands?) more Koreans who would play it full time if they had the opportunity. And there are a lot of non-Koreans who would do it too, though it's hard to say how many. I don't want someone who is playing 20 hours a week to be a top player. Maybe we are just using the words good/great differently. Yeah, someone playing 20 hours ought to be able to be pretty good, but not winning major tournaments... I agree completely with this. Its actually a very subtle subject thinking about it. Its all about the balance of what it should take to be a top player. Playing 40 hours compared to 20 should give a reward for the extra effort that's for sure. But after a certain point(a physical skill check i.e. xyz apm) hours played the physical check should become irrelevant between top players and its all about the strategy and decisions weighed. So I guess I just want the maximum number of ppl to get over the physical check/requirement to get to focus on the mind part of the game so that we have the biggest possible scene where it would one day be viable outside of Korea to play games full time in the near future rather then just a pipe dream. I also find it a good measure how much ppl should play that often korean progamers say they wouldn't let their children become progamers, but i'd wonder if the hours where a lot less if they'd think differently so that their kids could have a 'normal' social/work life also. Its all so subjective. Lets just hope servers can get online asap so we can just play more eitherway =) | ||
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Al Bundy
7257 Posts
New textures / animations are always a good thing to see, as well as new mouse cursors. Also I'd really love to hear the new Protoss track. | ||
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Azide
Canada566 Posts
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Sirot
48 Posts
Forgot to MULE or Chrono Boost? Too bad. /sarcasm | ||
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Roniii
United States289 Posts
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Megaman703
Canada688 Posts
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Disastorm
United States922 Posts
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Sephy90
United States1785 Posts
and damn, bind locations are back which i'm glad but they're f5-8 and i have small hands, plus my current keyboard has the fkey row about an inch away from the number row =( i'll just have to be a fuckin champ and suck it up | ||
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cyclone25
Romania3344 Posts
On April 23 2010 08:12 HOLYCOWBATMAN wrote: here is it: Mod edit: Thanks, and here is your temp ban. Why ban him? TT It was such a good laugh for me =)) | ||
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