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pzea469
United States1520 Posts
Anybody else dealing with this? And even if you're not, wouldn't you agree that it would be best to allow such a thing to be enabled/disabled in the menu? Poll: Should there be an option to disable/enable double click selection? Yes (182) No (78) 260 total votes Your vote: Should there be an option to disable/enable double click selection? | ||
NonY
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IndecisivePenguin
United States771 Posts
I know some players out there don't use ctrl+click because they're either not used to it or they don't find it necessary. Ctrl+click is probably the most efficient way to be moving certain units, but what about if you want to group certain units together in the same hotkey? It would probably be a little more difficult without double-click as well. I'm not too sure whether or not it should be a feature that can be enabled/disabled. What do you guys think? | ||
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pzea469
United States1520 Posts
On April 20 2010 07:42 Liquid`NonY wrote: As a temporary fix, you can change the double click speed of your mouse settings to as fast as possible so that it's really difficult to double click. whoa, I might just do that, thanks. | ||
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kickinhead
Switzerland2069 Posts
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ComradeDover
Bulgaria758 Posts
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Tropics
United Kingdom1132 Posts
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Sixears
United States22 Posts
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Daudr
Sweden275 Posts
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Ruthless
United States492 Posts
On April 20 2010 07:42 Liquid`NonY wrote: As a temporary fix, you can change the double click speed of your mouse settings to as fast as possible so that it's really difficult to double click. You have to choose between opening folders easily and doub/e click in sc2. haha i know i would be too lazy to change the options each time | ||
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johnnybrav0
United States61 Posts
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pzea469
United States1520 Posts
On April 20 2010 08:19 johnnybrav0 wrote: Does CTRL+click do the same thing as double click? Yeah, theres no difference that I'm aware of | ||
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pzea469
United States1520 Posts
On April 20 2010 08:03 ComradeDover wrote: This is stupid. Don't be as sloppy with your actions and this won't happen. maybe I'm incredibly sloppy, but that doesn't make this a stupid suggestion | ||
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seRapH
United States9801 Posts
 ofc ppl are going to vote yes, theres no real downside. i just dont think its necessary. | ||
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DeCoup
Australia1933 Posts
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ComradeDover
Bulgaria758 Posts
On April 20 2010 08:23 pzea469 wrote: maybe I'm incredibly sloppy, but that doesn't make this a stupid suggestion Yes, it is a stupid suggestion. By being able to toggle this option off, Blizzard would be saying it's okay to be sloppy. And it isn't. If you're sloppy, there's some kind of penalty associated with that. | ||
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Nytefish
United Kingdom4282 Posts
On April 20 2010 10:01 ComradeDover wrote: Yes, it is a stupid suggestion. By being able to toggle this option off, Blizzard would be saying it's okay to be sloppy. And it isn't. If you're sloppy, there's some kind of penalty associated with that. I think there's no need to be so hostile here, it's just a minor interface change and Blizzard are trying to make the game "newb-friendly" anyway so it doesn't seem like being sloppy should be punished. | ||
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ComradeDover
Bulgaria758 Posts
On April 20 2010 10:05 Nytefish wrote: I think there's no need to be so hostile here, it's just a minor interface change and Blizzard are trying to make the game "newb-friendly" anyway so it doesn't seem like being sloppy should be punished. Nobody is hostile here. I'm just disagreeing with his statement that his suggestion isn't stupid. I don't know where everyone is getting this idea that Blizzard somehow is making the game "newb friendly". And even if they were making the game "newb friendly", that doesn't mean that sloppiness should be tolerated or encouraged with this change. | ||
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Nytefish
United Kingdom4282 Posts
On April 20 2010 10:08 ComradeDover wrote: Nobody is hostile here. I'm just disagreeing with his statement that his suggestion isn't stupid. I don't know where everyone is getting this idea that Blizzard somehow is making the game "newb friendly". And even if they were making the game "newb friendly", that doesn't mean that sloppiness should be tolerated or encouraged with this change. Calling someone's idea stupid isn't exactly the friendliest of gestures. Words like unnecessary would suffice. It's only a minor tweak that would hardly affect anyone, no reason not to at least try suggest it. Why can't you tolerate sloppiness, Street Fighter 4 gives a lot of leeway for inputting commands but it's still a good game. Same concept here, don't fight the interface. | ||
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ComradeDover
Bulgaria758 Posts
On April 20 2010 10:11 Nytefish wrote: Calling someone's idea stupid isn't exactly the friendliest of gestures. Words like unnecessary would suffice. It's only a minor tweak that would hardly affect anyone, no reason not to at least try suggest it. Why can't you tolerate sloppiness, Street Fighter 4 gives a lot of leeway for inputting commands but it's still a good game. Same concept here, don't fight the interface. If his idea is stupid, I'm going to tell him it's stupid instead of sugar coating it. It does him a disservice if I did otherwise. This is a different situation from your SF4 example. You can't control the amount of leeway the game gives you for inputting commands -- It is what it is and that's it, you learn to play the game in that state. To include such an option the OP suggests would be like saying "Oh? What's that? You're innaccurate with your APM? LET'S INCLUDE A CRUTCH FOR YOU". | ||
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Nytefish
United Kingdom4282 Posts
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ComradeDover
Bulgaria758 Posts
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pzea469
United States1520 Posts
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ComradeDover
Bulgaria758 Posts
On April 20 2010 10:26 pzea469 wrote: but how someone could argue that to have this option is BAD is beyond me, To argue otherwise is to argue against the idea that every click counts. | ||
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hoborg
United States430 Posts
*click* a mining SCV because I want it to switch to gas Oh wait, there's an scv right next to it that has just returned it's minerals, it would be more efficient to use that SCV instead. *click* on that SCV, right-click the gas ...All my SCVs rush over to the refinery FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUU Thanks for the tip with the double click speed though, Nony, I'm just noticing it's kinda ridiculously low on my computer right now. That should help. | ||
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ComradeDover
Bulgaria758 Posts
On April 20 2010 10:37 hoborg wrote: I've only played a handful of games, but this has already happened to me multiple times. It's annoying as hell. *click* a mining SCV because I want it to switch to gas Oh wait, there's an scv right next to it that has just returned it's minerals, it would be more efficient to use that SCV instead. *click* on that SCV, right-click the gas ...All my SCVs rush over to the refinery FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUU Should they take out everything that's "annoying"? I suppose a lot of people find losing annoying, and plenty of zerg players have reported that they find it annoying when a sentry splits their army with force field. I'd imagine anyone who's ever been nuked has found that experience annoying. The list goes on and on... | ||
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hoborg
United States430 Posts
Good Interactions: Clicking a unit anywhere on the unit selects that unit Moving the mouse all the way to the side of the screen scrolls the screen, with an option for scroll speed Hypothetical Bad Interactions: You can only select a unit if you click directly on its head Moving the mouse all the way to the side of the screen makes all your units auto attack-move Those "bad interactions" would certainly make the game more difficult, but not in a way that is relevant to the game design, instead in a way that irritates the user through interactions that are not intuitive. That is how I see the double-click thing. It's the one blemish I've encountered in an otherwise flawless UI. | ||
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ComradeDover
Bulgaria758 Posts
On April 20 2010 12:10 hoborg wrote: You are mentioning aspects of game design, that's not what we're talking about at all. We're talking about the user interface, which has to do with having good interaction design. The most important elements of interaction design are for the interactions to be intuitive, be consistent, and be easy to use. For example: Good Interactions: Clicking a unit anywhere on the unit selects that unit Moving the mouse all the way to the side of the screen scrolls the screen, with an option for scroll speed Hypothetical Bad Interactions: You can only select a unit if you click directly on its head Moving the mouse all the way to the side of the screen makes all your units auto attack-move Those "bad interactions" would certainly make the game more difficult, but not in a way that is relevant to the game design, instead in a way that irritates the user through interactions that are not intuitive. That is how I see the double-click thing. It's the one blemish I've encountered in an otherwise flawless UI. The OP isn't suggesting a UI improvement. He's suggesting an option so he doesn't have to break his bad habbit of double clicking when he means to single click. Currently, clicking a unit selects that unit and double clicking it selects all units of that type. This is intuitive, easy to understand, and has been an industry standard for over a decade. If the OP is doing one when he means to do the other, it's not the fault of the UI or any kind of lack of option. He simply needs to get a better grip on his control. | ||
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pzea469
United States1520 Posts
On April 20 2010 12:14 ComradeDover wrote: The OP isn't suggesting a UI improvement. He's suggesting an option so he doesn't have to break his bad habbit of double clicking when he means to single click. Currently, clicking a unit selects that unit and double clicking it selects all units of that type. This is intuitive, easy to understand, and has been an industry standard for over a decade. If the OP is doing one when he means to do the other, it's not the fault of the UI or any kind of lack of option. He simply needs to get a better grip on his control. so having the OPTION to disable this is bad? I believe people were also talking about disabling ctrl + click as attack. I havn't ran into this problem yet but i understand how one could and it just makes sense to be able to disable things like this. I don't see why you want to force me to change my double click speed in Windows instead of just disabling it in-game comfortably | ||
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virusak
Czech Republic344 Posts
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da_head
Canada3350 Posts
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ComradeDover
Bulgaria758 Posts
On April 21 2010 02:54 pzea469 wrote: so having the OPTION to disable this is bad? I believe people were also talking about disabling ctrl + click as attack. I havn't ran into this problem yet but i understand how one could and it just makes sense to be able to disable things like this. I don't see why you want to force me to change my double click speed in Windows instead of just disabling it in-game comfortably Yes. Adding the OPTION is bad. To add this option would the equivilant of Blizzard officially sanctioning sloppy play. Denying this option isn't about forcing you to change your doubleclick speed in Windows as much as it is forcing you to be aware of every click you make and every action you take. THAT is going to make you a better player, not trying to get all these options added to compensate for your sloppy APM. | ||
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sickman
Canada34 Posts
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