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Spinks
Profile Joined April 2010
South Africa23 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-18 11:00:29
April 18 2010 10:57 GMT
#1061
Hi guys best of luck to all that are trying to get the keys
Deleted User 48059
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
86 Posts
April 18 2010 10:57 GMT
#1062
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Hmm. I guess this particular post is directed at Hot_Bid (I assume that he has had the most to do with the selection process for this particular 'competition' than any other person, though I assume that solely because of his posts in this thread [and the fact he is OP, ofc]):

The more I consider this thread, the more concerned I am as to its intentions, or at least its validity.

To be honest, I don't really see the necessity of this thread at all. If the initial contest was still continuing as (ostensibly) planned, there should be no difference between those who nominated themselves and those who were nominated by another, in view of the competition itself. Of course, I assume that the people judging the competition (presumably yourself & other mods) would judge each respective nomination entirely by its own merits (we all know you're not idiots), thus leading to the logical end result that those who had already contributed the most to the site, and perhaps those who instead presented some promise of contributing to the site & community, would receive keys.

Instead, this post appeared. Now here is where I'm not sure I'm comfortable with how things are turning out.

Now, if the goal is to give the keys to those who are 'deserving' in the TL community, then as far as I can see right now this could've been done (and, in my increasing opinion, should've been done) without the use of this 'sub-competition' which by its very existence undermines the point of the original nominations. The keys could've been given out as planned, and those who clearly weren't ever in the running could just have been told 'sorry, perhaps in the future, when you've contributed'.

Such an outcome is already whatis likely to happen: by HB's own first/last posts (re. keys given out in the event of not enough unnominees - yes its a word.) :

"If there are too many people still on the list after 48 hours, nobody gets any."
...and later:
"I'm not sure where they are going because I'm not in charge of that, but I can say they most likely will not go to low post count self nominators."

Essentially, unless I am mistaken, there are two outcomes to this competition. Either enough people opt out, and the keys are given out based upon TL staff/other judges' decision on who is 'deserving' (which is entirely fair, and as far as I can see, exactly how the competition was planned), or all but 2 or 3 opt out, and the message of 'stubborn belligerance brings reward' rings out, likely at the expense of those who opted out despite in many peoples' opinions (eg. the judges of the competition) being more deserving than those who may eventually get a key in this method
(and before any smartass points it out, yes I self nominated, no I do not consider myself particularly more worthy than most others in the thread, and no, I don't think the above outcome is actually likely to happen).

tl;dr(and who could blame you):

Basically, I'm not entirely sure what this thread was meant to achieve. If people genuinely had second thoughts about self-nominating, then a thread that said 'post here if you want to unnominate' would have done the trick. A thread promising an unknown number of Beta keys to those who stuck it out, only if those around them bowed out respectfully, just seems a little too much like mind games to me.

Perhaps I'm entirely wrong in my line of thinking, or just out of line posting it here, but I'll post it anyway, so that I might review it in the morning (its almost 2.30am here o__0 ).

Kev


Massive edit for clarity:

the above was not intended as a bitch about the 'cruelty' of the post, though it could perhaps be read that way. Nor was it a complaint at Hot_Bids conduct, as his responses throughout the thread have all been very reasonable & professional.

My only concerns were that

a) the thread is unnecessary in the context of the original competition. [though a good point has been made since my post (sorry, I forget who by) that the noobs posting in this thread are already giving insight into their character. I hadn't really thought about that, I guess.]
and
b) that the outcome of putting the nominees' names in a list in the OP might have the negative effect of increasing the stigma towards those who do not opt out, rather than portraying those who do in a more positive light, as was intended. You could of course make the argument that the two go hand in hand. At any rate, as long as those opt-inners don't mind a bit of stick from some members of the community (which they clearly don't), I guess that doesn't matter.

Sorry for any misunderstanding, and the delay in rectifying it (I slept in).

Kev
Spinks
Profile Joined April 2010
South Africa23 Posts
April 18 2010 10:59 GMT
#1063
I would like to nominate myself.

please can you guys help me get onto that list and recieve a beta key.

I know its selfish of me to ask that and for that im sorry, but i would do anything to be part
of the sc2 community and game.

Spinks
3FFA
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States3931 Posts
April 18 2010 10:59 GMT
#1064
On April 18 2010 19:57 Spinks wrote:
I would love to nominate myself.

So how do i become part of that list?

I know it sounds selfish and i sorry, but i would give anything to be part of sc2.


You can't its already been stated. You missed the deadline.
"As long as it comes from a pure place and from a honest place, you know, you can write whatever you want."
Pholon
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Netherlands6142 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-18 11:11:44
April 18 2010 11:00 GMT
#1065
On April 18 2010 12:37 silentguy wrote:
Quick question though, why are you being so mean to us players who nominated ourselves? So we nominated ourselves, big deal!


What do you mean cruelmean?! CRUEL MEAN?! Let me break this down for you. TL wanted to reward their best members, asking them to be sought out bythe communitee. Tons of people got nominated. Fromthe top of my head I recall Fuddx, who's been entertaining us with blogs for years on end, Scaramanga, who's been providing awesome LR OPs for years on end, Marcoso, who's been updating Small VOD day in day out, there's translators who do a shitton of work, streamers who stay up at ungodly hours to relay Starcraft streams. And then there are a bunch of people, coming in from other sites, who with their first post nominate themselves, some with feeble promises about contributing in (some distant, unknown and not further defined) future.
With only 10 keys there is not a shred of a chance any of these latter people will get a key.Face it and let it get through to you. It's not going to happen.
However, instead of just ignoring these people TL set this up. It isn't cruel. You didn't have a key, you were at no point going to get one and you, in the future, are not going to get one. This topic will, however, show you how things are done on TL. We value our long time contributors, gladly welcome new people but we also have a set of sound moral standards (such as not nominating yourself over people who have contributed to this community). This is your chance to realise this and say okay, I get it, and we'll allow you to make a symbolic gesture of giving up a key you don't, nor ever will, have. It's actually the opposite of cruelmean.

That's how I see things at least >_>

edit: fixed a misread
Moderator@TLPholon // "I need a third hand to facepalm right now"
3FFA
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States3931 Posts
April 18 2010 11:00 GMT
#1066
On April 18 2010 19:59 Spinks wrote:
I would like to nominate myself.

please can you guys help me get onto that list and recieve a beta key.

I know its selfish of me to ask that and for that im sorry, but i would do anything to be part
of the sc2 community and game.

Spinks

don't double post, please. Also, instead you could've edited your post.
"As long as it comes from a pure place and from a honest place, you know, you can write whatever you want."
Manbear
Profile Joined August 2008
Canada306 Posts
April 18 2010 11:01 GMT
#1067
Spinks there was a large nominations thread in which people nominated people within the TL community to receive a beta key, a bunch of people nominated themselves for various reasons and this thread is the result. enjoy the fun.
3FFA
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States3931 Posts
April 18 2010 11:01 GMT
#1068
On April 18 2010 20:00 Pholon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2010 12:37 silentguy wrote:
Quick question though, why are you being so mean to us players who nominated ourselves? So we nominated ourselves, big deal!


What do you mean cruel?! CRUEL?!

That's how I see things at least >_>

He said mean, not cruel. I said cruel(but it was when I was in my youth and couldn't understand the simplest of concepts)
"As long as it comes from a pure place and from a honest place, you know, you can write whatever you want."
tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19029 Posts
April 18 2010 11:01 GMT
#1069
On April 18 2010 19:57 Spinks wrote:
Hi guys best of luck to all that are trying to get the keys

You can't. It's too late. This list was created from the list in the Nominations thread of people who nominated themselves. At this point, people have to unnominate themselves.
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Spinks
Profile Joined April 2010
South Africa23 Posts
April 18 2010 11:02 GMT
#1070
thanks
ZenDeX
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Philippines2916 Posts
April 18 2010 11:21 GMT
#1071
Hot_Bid, do we still need to post in this thread in the last 2 hours so we won't get unnominated automatically?
eSen1a
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Australia1058 Posts
April 18 2010 11:24 GMT
#1072
On April 18 2010 20:00 Pholon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2010 12:37 silentguy wrote:
Quick question though, why are you being so mean to us players who nominated ourselves? So we nominated ourselves, big deal!


What do you mean cruel?! CRUEL?! Let me break this down for you. TL wanted to reward their best members, asking them to be sought out bythe communitee. Tons of people got nominated. Fromthe top of my head I recall Fuddx, who's been entertaining us with blogs for years on end, Scaramanga, who's been providing awesome LR OPs for years on end, Marcoso, who's been updating Small VOD day in day out, there's translators who do a shitton of work, streamers who stay up at ungodly hours to relay Starcraft streams. And then there are a bunch of people, coming in from other sites, who with their first post nominate themselves, some with feeble promises about contributing in (some distant, unknown and not further defined) future.
With only 10 keys there is not a shred of a chance any of these latter people will get a key.Face it and let it get through to you. It's not going to happen.
However, instead of just ignoring these people TL set this up. It isn't cruel. You didn't have a key, you were at no point going to get one and you, in the future, are not going to get one. This topic will, however, show you how things are done on TL. We value our long time contributors, gladly welcome new people but we also have a set of sound moral standards (such as not nominating yourself over people who have contributed to this community). This is your chance to realise this and say okay, I get it, and we'll allow you to make a symbolic gesture of giving up a key you don't, nor ever will, have. It's actually the opposite of cruel.

That's how I see things at least >_>



i have been at gotfrag.com since early 2005, back when CS was a lot lot bigger than starcraft (and cs still is a lot bigger than starcraft, at least in europe) i have contributed a lot (2000+ posts)
i still feel like a new member compared to the old december 2002 members and wouldn't treat someone that signed up in 2008 or 2010 with any superiority complex (not that i post there or play cs often anymore), because in reality its a website for people that play a video game for fun

TL adverstised this for everyone, and now those who entered are made to feel guilty from people like you (i don't feel guilty because really i don't want a beta key insanely i just entered for a chance), look bottom line this contest while maybe not intentionally turned out to be condescending.

Also dont bring up moral standards in respect to playing a game while a billion people are living in poverty, it just doesn't cut it mate.



faction123
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia949 Posts
April 18 2010 11:32 GMT
#1073
You don't have to feel guilty. I mean if people signed up for the 0.1% chance that they MIGHT get a beta key out of it and didn't get one, oh well, move on to another one of the other hundreds of sites, competitions, etc i'm sure they've also tried to get one from.

If I was in the position of the people who nominated themselves, I sure as hell wouldn't be feeling guilty... it's a site that 99% of them will never come back to once this is all over, it's not like it effects them.

Honestly I would just be flat out embarrassed to come into a thread asking for nominations FROM THIS COMMUNITY for MEMBERS OF THIS COMMUNITY who are stellar contributors to be awarded with a beta key and fucking nominate myself. The people doing this already had no shame... why would they care now?
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member1987
Profile Joined February 2010
141 Posts
April 18 2010 11:47 GMT
#1074
I'd like for my name to stay in the list!
Gunvor_85
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden3 Posts
April 18 2010 11:53 GMT
#1075
It has come to my attention that i made it so far that you guys have put me in the list. My name is crossed though, does that mean i have no chance for a key anymore or will this post allow me a shot at a beta key?

If its the latter i'd like to notify you that i'am still intersted a beta key.

Again thanks for reading , arranging and giving this great community such an opportunity for these beta keys!

Best regards and GL to everyone
Pholon
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Netherlands6142 Posts
April 18 2010 11:57 GMT
#1076
On April 18 2010 20:53 Gunvor_85 wrote:
It has come to my attention that i made it so far that you guys have put me in the list. My name is crossed though, does that mean i have no chance for a key anymore or will this post allow me a shot at a beta key?

If its the latter i'd like to notify you that i'am still intersted a beta key.

Again thanks for reading , arranging and giving this great community such an opportunity for these beta keys!

Best regards and GL to everyone


try reading the op in full.
Moderator@TLPholon // "I need a third hand to facepalm right now"
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36374 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-18 12:13:42
April 18 2010 12:10 GMT
#1077
On April 18 2010 20:47 member1987 wrote:
I'd like for my name to stay in the list!

On April 18 2010 20:53 Gunvor_85 wrote:
It has come to my attention that i made it so far that you guys have put me in the list. My name is crossed though, does that mean i have no chance for a key anymore or will this post allow me a shot at a beta key?

If its the latter i'd like to notify you that i'am still intersted a beta key.

Again thanks for reading , arranging and giving this great community such an opportunity for these beta keys!

Best regards and GL to everyone

You guys were automatically eliminated for not responding.

OP updated, 57 users left with 17 hours remaining.

edit: I just realized [ADT]-FaZiNaTe-[GeR] was banned for two days so he won't be able to post in the final two hours, so he has automatically been removed as well.
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sYz-Adrenaline
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States1850 Posts
April 18 2010 12:13 GMT
#1078
o.o 58 left lot less then what i expected
Can you feel the rush?
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36374 Posts
April 18 2010 12:15 GMT
#1079
On April 18 2010 21:13 sYz-Adrenaline wrote:
o.o 58 left lot less then what i expected

43 users opted out
57 users chose to stay in
50 users did not respond and were automatically removed
1 user was banned and cannot respond so he was automatically removed
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Chanted
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Norway1001 Posts
April 18 2010 12:26 GMT
#1080
Awesome, teamliquids own little evil "jigsaw puzzle"

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