UPDATE: I'd like to start doing this show again on a non-daily basis (weekly or bi-weekly). Please post your replays so I have content to start with!
Hey everyone! I really like watching day[9]'s daily show which features fun high level replays and analyzes them, and I thought I would start a daily show in which you guys send me replays and I analyze them and help you improve by telling you things you could have done better.
Please, send me replays! If you are platinum level or below you will probably get the most benefit from this but anyone can send a replay and I will try to look for errors in your play and give you advice on how you can improve! I would prefer replays where you have lost. In replays you've won I'm sure there can be errors to be found but you will learn more from the loss. If you lost and don't know why you lost or don't know what you could have done to win, I can help!
So that I can tell it apart from normal thread discussion! You can include comments on what you thought you did wrong/etc if you'd like and I will discuss them on the show.
This show will air daily at 9PM EST (an hour before day[9] dailies) (still working out when exactly I'll air the show, need post-release replays first)
Please let me know of any feedback in this thread or in my stream discussion thread
This is from the Triple Strike 3 prelims. Qxc cheeses me pretty bad and I would like to get some insight into how I can better react or improve my build order to be able to withstand something like this.
This game was me in the first round of the Craft Cup. I lost to a timing push from drewbie, I believe he just outproduced me but I would love to see what I can improve upon or did wrong that I can fix.
Guys, thanks for the replays but PLEASE put them in the appropriate format in bold with REPLAY: so I can find them easily when scrolling through the thread.
It's an awesome show idea and I look forward to see how it goes for you! Hopefully I can scrounge up a game so you can tell me just how bad I am(pretty bad imo).
I'm rank 1 in silver right now but I usually play gold people, I just started playing RTS games 2 weeks ago when I got my beta invite but I've played a shit load these last two weeks and I'm sure I'd benefit from any insight a veteran player might have.
This was a PvZ match, lasted about 30 minutes ( I lost ... raged a little too )
On April 14 2010 03:24 -orb- wrote: ADMINS: Is there any way I can add the shows to the calendar the way the day[9] daily is in there so that I can then have it show up on the streams as me relaying the event? Thanks.
Day just started doing dailies without making a big deal out of it and then it exploded. Let's handle this the same way and see what happens for now.
Hey would really like your input on how to improve my zerg builds, especially against protoss. Havent done a 1v1 in long time mostly play 2v2 and 2v2 random now. In this replay teamate is beyond crap so I understand it was basicly 2v1, but I just want some tips to improve my builds, bump my APM etc. *EDIT* here's one of my recent 1v1's http://www.mediafire.com/?4mynhnnoony
You should make the show fast paced, like take 5-7mins on each replay. Point out the big mistakes etc. since you're discussing low tier players games. and you'll help more people that way.
Your raging is probably more entertaining to the masses.
Especially raging to people who knew you didn't see their race and then cleverly said they were a false race after they happened to hear you ask what race they were on your stream because they were definitely watching your stream and playing at the same time besides the fact they didn't even know you had a stream amirite? xD
On April 14 2010 03:29 Synk wrote: Replay:http://www.mediafire.com/?2nwq5mfhczy
I'm rank 1 in silver right now but I usually play gold people, I just started playing RTS games 2 weeks ago when I got my beta invite but I've played a shit load these last two weeks and I'm sure I'd benefit from any insight a veteran player might have.
This was a PvZ match, lasted about 30 minutes ( I lost ... raged a little too )
On April 14 2010 03:24 -orb- wrote: ADMINS: Is there any way I can add the shows to the calendar the way the day[9] daily is in there so that I can then have it show up on the streams as me relaying the event? Thanks.
Day just started doing dailies without making a big deal out of it and then it exploded. Let's handle this the same way and see what happens for now.
agreed, i forsee epic crash and burn since day9 is a very manner player and never flames or insults other players when he loses or says things like "there are so many garbage platinum players" on his stream...
compared to who is basically mini-idra, someone who will pretend to be helpful to the community for his own selfish gain and then trash the very same community by be-littling help that he asked them to give and showing no gratitude or respect all around...
very curious as to why people put up with this... i know why they put up with idra, hes actually good... not so sure about this though..
On April 14 2010 04:23 JTPROG wrote: I can't really see this being a good show.
Your raging is probably more entertaining to the masses.
Especially raging to people who knew you didn't see their race and then cleverly said they were a false race after they happened to hear you ask what race they were on your stream because they were definitely watching your stream and playing at the same time besides the fact they didn't even know you had a stream amirite? xD
you do realize that the only reason people watch your stream is to see you rage and whine and if you arent doing that during your stupid orb daily people are not going to watch it. like, people dont actually respect your awful opinions
by the way its fine to get your own thing instead of mercilessly ripping off day9 in everything you do
On April 14 2010 04:40 StorrZerg wrote: get bent blarrrg
@orb love your new sig lolz
remember when you were doing 2v2s with orb and he was calling you a fucking retard and stuff to your face and you just take it silently, that rocked
pretty sure its impossible to suck someones dick more than you do with orb every day, do you just want to piggyback off his fame or is he really your idol or something
On April 14 2010 04:40 StorrZerg wrote: get bent blarrrg
@orb love your new sig lolz
remember when you were doing 2v2s with orb and he was calling you a fucking retard and stuff to your face and you just take it silently, that rocked
pretty sure its impossible to suck someones dick more than you do with orb every day, do you just want to piggyback off his fame or is he really your idol or something
please... don't call what orb has as fame.. that is insulting to respectable human beings... what orb has is a laughing stalk, and his epic rage only fans the flame that is the flaming assh0le he is to everyone around him, including his friends, let alone his followers...
On April 14 2010 04:40 StorrZerg wrote: get bent blarrrg
@orb love your new sig lolz
remember when you were doing 2v2s with orb and he was calling you a fucking retard and stuff to your face and you just take it silently, that rocked
pretty sure its impossible to suck someones dick more than you do with orb every day, do you just want to piggyback off his fame or is he really your idol or something
On April 14 2010 04:36 NightOne wrote: agreed, i forsee epic crash and burn since day9 is a very manner player and never flames or insults other players when he loses or says things like "there are so many garbage platinum players" on his stream...
compared to who is basically mini-idra, someone who will pretend to be helpful to the community for his own selfish gain and then trash the very same community by be-littling help that he asked them to give and showing no gratitude or respect all around...
very curious as to why people put up with this... i know why they put up with idra, hes actually good... not so sure about this though..
Orb is one of the best Protoss players out there and his progress in the last couple of weeks was huge. Sure he curses on streams, but it's entertaining (and why watch it if not?), so I don't see any problem with that. Why would you be so bm to him is beyond me. You must be really sad deep inside. =/
when i get home i'll post an epic replay of him losing and then talking trash and making up some stupid excuse, this is only one of the many examples of why i dont respect him
if you think hes one of the "best protoss players" out there then you are sadly mistaken... while i dont doubt him as a decent player, hes certainly far from "one of the best" out there
u can be sure to find the replay when i edit this post
On April 14 2010 04:40 StorrZerg wrote: get bent blarrrg
@orb love your new sig lolz
remember when you were doing 2v2s with orb and he was calling you a fucking retard and stuff to your face and you just take it silently, that rocked
pretty sure its impossible to suck someones dick more than you do with orb every day, do you just want to piggyback off his fame or is he really your idol or something
From watching my own replay, my mistakes were many. -I should have followed that probe when I saw it enter my base. I forgot about it and it went into hiding. -When I saw him cannon rushing me, I should have relocated immediately, built a small force and retaliated as soon as possible before he could get an army. Instead I sent a few disorganized marines to pointlessly attack the nearest cannon. -When I attacked his base, I should have brought 1 or more scv with me to build a bunker and siege behind it. My reinforcement arrived a few seconds too late to save my tank. -I should have loaded 5 scv when I expanded with my CC -I see that I could have done some succesful harrasment by slipping hellions behind his mineral lines. I also should have sent more scout to expansions. -I probably should have made a ghost with all my gas. -To improve my macro, it would have helped for me to hotkey my production building and constantly produce; my high expansion had little scv.
On April 14 2010 04:40 StorrZerg wrote: get bent blarrrg
@orb love your new sig lolz
remember when you were doing 2v2s with orb and he was calling you a fucking retard and stuff to your face and you just take it silently, that rocked
pretty sure its impossible to suck someones dick more than you do with orb every day, do you just want to piggyback off his fame or is he really your idol or something
lol remember when you got banned on tl?
well at least you dont deny it
why should i be bothering with a troll such as your self lol?
On April 14 2010 04:39 blarrrg wrote: you do realize that the only reason people watch your stream is to see you rage and whine and if you arent doing that during your stupid orb daily people are not going to watch it. like, people dont actually respect your awful opinions
by the way its fine to get your own thing instead of mercilessly ripping off day9 in everything you do
keep your silly opinions to yourself.... there is tons of people who watch his stream to watch toss footage including me.
And its not a complete copy of Seans show, he will analyze lower lvl player replays and give advice, it could easily become a nice show before day9s daily ofc it would not work if Orb trashtalk the players in the replays, BUT SERIOUSLY who said he were gonna do that? give him a chance jesus....
This is a game I played against louder on ladder. PvZ on Desert Oasis, tried to go for a warpgate/immortal push against his FE, but he had just enough hydras to defend.
Hey orb, you know that day[9] does his daily at different times on different days, right?
Day[9] Daily runs 7pm Sunday, Tuesday and Thursday 10pm on Monday and 9pm on Wednesday (classes)
All of these are in PST, copied from his thread. Just noting this cause you say "1 hour before day's stream" but that won't be the case on some days, depending.
Ok i just want to clear some things up. The man says he is going to do a show and asks for replays. I understand that some people dont like him, some people think he isnt very good or whatever. How does this affect the thread. Let him try his show and crash and burn if thats what happens. I don't understand why every fucking TL thread now is a fucking epeen contest and bashing the original poster or someone else in the thread. Constructive critcism is good but being a troll or some basher is not.
If you dont care for orb don't watch his stream or listen to his crap. Its pretty simple. I enjoy watching him and listening to him even though he might be wrong every once and a while. Thx for the show orb!
I don't get why you guys are all trolling and flaming so hard...
I haven't even broadcast the show yet and you guys are making farfetched predictions and assuming what I'm going to be doing on the show. Please, give the show a chance and then flame me for it.
On April 14 2010 04:39 blarrrg wrote: you do realize that the only reason people watch your stream is to see you rage and whine and if you arent doing that during your stupid orb daily people are not going to watch it. like, people dont actually respect your awful opinions
by the way its fine to get your own thing instead of mercilessly ripping off day9 in everything you do
Don't know why you're attacking orb like that but you might have a valid point. Orb's rage does attract a lot of viewers but its not the sole reason why people end up being regulars on his stream, he's at the 1800's rating range and many viewers do actually learn by watching him play.
Orb knowing that he's not as knowledgeable of the game enough to do heavy stuff like day[9] does, he chose to just help gold level players and below. However, I think Orb should remain the same person that he started off his stream as.
This is from the Triple Strike 3 prelims. Qxc cheeses me pretty bad and I would like to get some insight into how I can better react or improve my build order to be able to withstand something like this.
You had a forge built and when QXC had only one rax and few reapers, you could have countered cannon rushed him. QXC left your probe in his base for the longest time. The moment you build a pylon in QXC's base, QXC may have had to pull a reaper back to deal with it. In the case that you get one cannon up in QXC's base, you go on the offensive and QXC is on the defensive.
On April 14 2010 05:13 -orb- wrote: I don't get why you guys are all trolling and flaming so hard...
I haven't even broadcast the show yet and you guys are making farfetched predictions and assuming what I'm going to be doing on the show. Please, give the show a chance and then flame me for it.
Yeah i got your back orb. People in general need to give people a chance and take their flaming elsewhere. I don't see why people can't try and help the community.
Found a more appropriate logo on the interwebs Even has the hat like orb and everything. Somebody with photoshop skillz make this into an orb banner, I beg ya.
I think orb is fun to watch, he's a good player and I'm really glad to see him getting more attention as a player. I appreciate the sentiment of trying to help people but I see this turning into a rage fest way too easily. orb takes pleasure in making personal attacks against people who don't agree with him. The mathematical proof thing was pretty ridiculous, but luckily that turned into a joke. I guess this show could be a success if it continues the trend of taking his crazy rage remarks / personal attacks and making them jokes (see how his stream description doesn't hide anything, he heavily relies on Sentries and rages when they don't work, then there was a banner mocking the mathematical proof thing)
I will definitely check this out to get some advice as I'm a low level player, but I'm doubting orb's ability to stay objective and keep away from personal attacks -
on that note, it wouldn't be half bad if it turned into a laugh fest a la Jeremy aka teh_pwnerer style "omg wat a noob" jokes. Storr would fit in then.
He's actually one of the best WoW rogues in the world. Not CS.
Just throwing my two cents.
I know that.
However, he's just as whiny as -orb-, tending to complain about game balance rather than admitting to mistakes.
Where -orb- uses BW as the game to praise for its balance, Neilyo used CS, even to the point where he threw in a bunch of random deathmatch footage in one of his WoW videos: http://warcraftmovies.com/movieview.php?id=64589 .
They are extremely alike, not only based on appearance.
Replay: Miniwheats vs Cauthon I won, but still might yeild something to comment on from either side. Note: I was bronze before reset and have not played starcraft 1.
On April 14 2010 05:13 -orb- wrote: I don't get why you guys are all trolling and flaming so hard...
I haven't even broadcast the show yet and you guys are making farfetched predictions and assuming what I'm going to be doing on the show. Please, give the show a chance and then flame me for it.
if you showed respect to people who beat you or even to players that simply exist and are better or aren't as good as you, instead of flaming them and providing any sort of excuse everytime you lose then i would totally respect you. but the fact of the matter is, i am 4-0 vs you and twice of those times (i dont know if you remember) you have come up with some sort of mad-rage, and i simply dont appreciate that
if you want a chance from people, maybe stop trolling other people... even if it is warranted, you can always just hold your tongue to be more of a gentleman (Day9) and less like an annoying whiney snobby kid who thinks he's god's gift to starcraft 2 (which is basically Idra) Idra can get away with it because he's pretty good. but you can't because you can't back it up. even if you could, people like a manner player with less skill than a great player with no manner
simply put: if you want respect, start respecting others first and then build your way up to asking the community to see you as a mentor. if you weren't undeservingly being invited to so many tournaments and streaming and posting so much shit on the forum, i wouldn't even know who you are except for some scrub that just trash talks me half the time i beat u, i wouldnt even care. but because u are such a large presence on team liquid for some reason, i find you to be an incessant thorn in the ass and players like me, who consistantly beat players like you, cant stand by and not say something about it, simply because you are an ass. like i said, if you weren't an ass, i'd respect you and so would alot of other people.
On April 14 2010 04:39 blarrrg wrote: you do realize that the only reason people watch your stream is to see you rage and whine and if you arent doing that during your stupid orb daily people are not going to watch it. like, people dont actually respect your awful opinions
by the way its fine to get your own thing instead of mercilessly ripping off day9 in everything you do
Don't know why you're attacking orb like that but you might have a valid point. Orb's rage does attract a lot of viewers but its not the sole reason why people end up being regulars on his stream, he's at the 1800's rating range and many viewers do actually learn by watching him play.
Orb knowing that he's not as knowledgeable of the game enough to do heavy stuff like day[9] does, he chose to just help gold level players and below. However, I think Orb should remain the same person that he started off his stream as.
i'm going to use the nerdiest example here for all us nerds that speak the same language...
you know in battlestar galactica, where gaius baltar is so hated by everyone but is a fricken genius but is so arrogant, no matter what good could come from him is automatically shut down?
well orb is like gaius baltar, only he's not a genius, he's an mid-range skill level platinum player who has the same ego as gaius baltar and his incessant whining on his stream about stuff being imba or other players being horrible (after losing) made me want to turn it off after 15 minutes
so to say that you don't know why other people are attacking orb means you simply aren't seeing it from the other people's perspective...
its not personal for people like us, if any other bad mannered mid-range player were to come on this forum and suddenly say, WATCH MY DAILY SHOW, we'd all ask WHY?
Let's see what ord has to offer, no reason bashing on him for something he didn't do yet. So you don't like his stream? This could be different. So it doesn't turn out to be different? Don't watch.
If you just don't like the guy, leave it at that. You have no assurance you know how this will turn out.
A friendly word of advice, orb. Do your own thing - not what day9 does. But I'm sure you already got that down.
Great idea! I personally believe that the more quality Starcraft commentaries we get, the better for the community.
But here is the thing: I really think that bitching at noob players and complaining about players not willing to invest as much time as you do on perfecting their skills, but still immensely enjoy the game, has no place in a cast which is supposed to help new players to improve. I hope you are willing to make this transition, as I think that the concept of a "Starcraft School" with lots of videos of typical mistakes, instead of focussing on Pro games, is great.
If there ever was an absolutely perfect example of how a widely popular and perhaps at one day televised (who knows) competitive EGames commentary should look like --->> Day9
Perhaps changing your tagline: "Sigh... seems like Blizzard only listens to the casuals... Just like in WoW..." might also help to convince people you are serious about this.
bit of advise, check out the times of other shows like day[9] and psyonic because LOTS of people tune in to those shows and you will get lotta less views if you you try and fight for viewers.
-orb- watch your stream really enjoy it, it's great that your taking the time to do this!! if I ever win a Beta key (entering all the comps lol) I will send some replays across and hope to benefit from your expertise. I will also watch the show and pick up some hints from there.
On April 14 2010 04:40 StorrZerg wrote: get bent blarrrg
@orb love your new sig lolz
remember when you were doing 2v2s with orb and he was calling you a fucking retard and stuff to your face and you just take it silently, that rocked
pretty sure its impossible to suck someones dick more than you do with orb every day, do you just want to piggyback off his fame or is he really your idol or something
please... don't call what orb has as fame.. that is insulting to respectable human beings... what orb has is a laughing stalk, and his epic rage only fans the flame that is the flaming assh0le he is to everyone around him, including his friends, let alone his followers...
On April 14 2010 04:40 StorrZerg wrote: get bent blarrrg
@orb love your new sig lolz
remember when you were doing 2v2s with orb and he was calling you a fucking retard and stuff to your face and you just take it silently, that rocked
pretty sure its impossible to suck someones dick more than you do with orb every day, do you just want to piggyback off his fame or is he really your idol or something
please... don't call what orb has as fame.. that is insulting to respectable human beings... what orb has is a laughing stalk, and his epic rage only fans the flame that is the flaming assh0le he is to everyone around him, including his friends, let alone his followers...
Take a break.
Fo real man you need to relax it up. Smoke a doob or somethin. Orb is a cool dude he just likes to cuss. Who really cares? He's providing some damn good SC2 Protoss. Take it lightly, it's not like he's on CNN. If you don't like vulgar language go watch Diggity or something. I've seen a few posts with people labelling themselves as 'fans' of orb which I find pretty funny but that does in fact mean he has some sort of FAME in the community. You'd have some too if your posts weren't so degrading
my question is simply, does orb really know best. And what is to know best, will you be investigating this in your show? Or are we going to be watching under the idea that this has already been proven true. I am perfectly fine with either, the title just strikes me as a bit uh well you know
On April 14 2010 05:35 zealing wrote: gl with the show hope it works out for ya,
bit of advise, check out the times of other shows like day[9] and psyonic because LOTS of people tune in to those shows and you will get lotta less views if you you try and fight for viewers.
Yeah I think a lot of people are mixing up the PST and EST. As far as I can tell my show will never conflict with day9's show and I don't intend for it to.
So the show is basically going to be like the D9Ds that Sean does every once and a while that he comments on low level play? I think that is a valid idea for a daily show and I wish you luck with it. I'm just not sure how well someone with the personality I've seen on your livestream is going to be able to do it...
i'm going to use the nerdiest example here for all us nerds that speak the same language...
you know in battlestar galactica, where gaius baltar is so hated by everyone but is a fricken genius but is so arrogant, no matter what good could come from him is automatically shut down?
well orb is like gaius baltar, only he's not a genius, he's an mid-range skill level platinum player who has the same ego as gaius baltar and his incessant whining on his stream about stuff being imba or other players being horrible (after losing) made me want to turn it off after 15 minutes
so to say that you don't know why other people are attacking orb means you simply aren't seeing it from the other people's perspective...
its not personal for people like us, if any other bad mannered mid-range player were to come on this forum and suddenly say, WATCH MY DAILY SHOW, we'd all ask WHY?
Oh, that last episode of BSG was so great! I was really proud of Gaius Baltar then! He proved to be a key person in all the last event. For most of the show, I hated Gaius, but then it changed.
I wouldn't compare Orbs to him though. Gaius was annoying with his arrogance because you knew he was right. Orbs is funny because the arguing are often flimsy and spontaneous; they can't be taken seriously.
I don't see why anyone would be angry about someone else offering his thoughts about the game.
Lets say he is completely and utterly wrong about everything he says, so what? Why would it offend you so much? If others listen to him and get bad advice that is their problem. I just don't see why there would be such a vicious reaction. Quite honestly, a lot of people involved in SC2 probably don't know what they are talking about. No offense to HD or Husky, but there have been many times when they say things that just don't seem accurate to me, but I still watch a whole lot of their commentaries.
Anyways, he seems to be a pretty decent player and I think his games are fun to watch, he if he says really stupid things when he is raging
On April 14 2010 04:57 AcrossFiveJulys wrote: oh god no. I can't wait to watch your show to receive "mathematical proof" for nonexistent issues...
maybe I'll give it one chance, but I have a feeling we have a new combatx
Thank God someone said it. I think he's worse than him, though. Maybe not in skill but certainly in ignorance and maturity.
I'm fairly sure he won't try to bring up stuff like 'marauders are broken protoss auto loses in PvT' or 'reaper rush is mathematically impossible to counter' in the show...
If it's centered around sweeping concepts like keeping money down and use of macro mechanics as well as talking about ways to micro units in simple ways to improve effectiveness it will be a helpful show.
I'll definitely tune in and watch a few of these when I can. I really hope this works out well and you are able to help some players learn some things. And to all the haters, hate after he starts, or just don't watch. No point in wasting your time belittling Orb. Just walk away and ignore it if you don't like it. Good luck with the show Orb.
On April 14 2010 06:09 petered wrote: I don't see why anyone would be angry about someone else offering his thoughts about the game.
I think what a lot of people are saying is that his comments aren't about the game, they're typically personal attacks against the people watching his stream, Blizzard, or whatever it happens to be. Saying "I think such and such mechanic should be rethought" is different than telling someone they're an invalid and to go die in a fire
.. not that that's not entertaining, which is another point people are making. orb gets viewers because it's funny to watch him rage (that's the main reason I watch)
Also Orb a suggestion. Perhaps at the end you play a game and if you win, you analyze why the other player lost, and if you lose, you analyze what went wrong with your own game. So players have an idea of how to approach their own games when they watch their replays.
On April 14 2010 04:57 AcrossFiveJulys wrote: oh god no. I can't wait to watch your show to receive "mathematical proof" for nonexistent issues...
maybe I'll give it one chance, but I have a feeling we have a new combatx
Thank God someone said it. I think he's worse than him, though. Maybe not in skill but certainly in ignorance and maturity.
I'm fairly sure he won't try to bring up stuff like 'marauders are broken protoss auto loses in PvT' or 'reaper rush is mathematically impossible to counter' in the show...
If it's centered around sweeping concepts like keeping money down and use of macro mechanics as well as talking about ways to micro units in simple ways to improve effectiveness it will be a helpful show.
Quoted for truth and to reiterate my comments are only regarding his stream, I have these same high hopes for the show and definitely going to check it out
What makes Orb great is not his rage or his pro forcefield usage, but the rage of those that hate on him. It's amazing at what lengths they will go to insult him.
Anyways, best of luck to you on your show. I'll be watching.
Good luck with the show. If I were in your position I would try to improve several skills that you might not have practiced too much of, such as looking on the bright side while in the face of critics, and keeping your own commentary balanced. Don't ragequit if it seems to be sucking after a few days, and don't try to compete with Day9. Just do your own thing and accept it as it becomes.
On April 14 2010 05:13 -orb- wrote: I don't get why you guys are all trolling and flaming so hard...
I haven't even broadcast the show yet and you guys are making farfetched predictions and assuming what I'm going to be doing on the show. Please, give the show a chance and then flame me for it.
Okay, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Good luck in your show, orb.
I'm pretty damn new to the sc2/tl community so I'm still figuring out who is who here, but for better or worse orb seems to have a lot of you paying attention. Doesn't really matter if he's getting praised or flamed at this point, it matters what he does with the attention that is being focused on him. Gl making an informative and interesting show and have fun orb ^^
Hi TL, Let me start by saying I have been lurking here for about two months or so and I have been playing the beta on a friends account for about three weeks. I am currently in the silver division with a slightly above 500 record (43-41 or something like that), and I love playing and learning about SC2. I also love watching Day 9’s show as well as other streams, especially orb’s (I play Protoss).
This site is truly an amazing one; I have learned so much from simply reading the threads here, but this really bothers me. Here is orb, undoubtedly one of the better Protoss in the US, offering to help lower level players like myself get better and truly break that plateau and become a “good” player. After reading the comments on this thread, it honestly pissed me off that people would insult orb like this. Sure, he rages pretty hard, but who can honestly say they don’t get upset when they lose? Especially when someone goes mass speedlings or some other cheese type build. Some people have said that they watch orb’s stream simply to hear him rage, which is definitely not the case. If this is the case, you really need to reassess your life and find a better use of your time then to watch someone because they get mad.
Perhaps players need someone like orb to get so mad and curse and whatnot, perhaps orb’s rage helps to alleviate and almost make fun of the times when we get pissed at ourselves while playing. I know there have been countless times where I have been cursing at my computer after losing then I think back to orb and realize that, “hey, if your not getting mad at some point, your really not trying to win, now just relax and think about what I can do to get better” Anyways the point of this post is twofold: First, please consider why orb streams his games, cause I can tell you it’s not to get money. I know I have learned soooo much from just watching him play. Second, try to realize exactly what your saying [and why your saying it] when you make pointless, unconstructive comments like “I forsee (which isn’t even a word) epic crash and burn…” or out of nowhere insulting someone like Storrzerg.
Thanks TL, thanks Day9, and thanks orb, I’ll be watching your show.
On April 14 2010 08:05 Antaeus wrote: Hi TL, Let me start by saying I have been lurking here for about two months or so and I have been playing the beta on a friends account for about three weeks. I am currently in the silver division with a slightly above 500 record (43-41 or something like that), and I love playing and learning about SC2. I also love watching Day 9’s show as well as other streams, especially orb’s (I play Protoss).
This site is truly an amazing one; I have learned so much from simply reading the threads here, but this really bothers me. Here is orb, undoubtedly one of the better Protoss in the US, offering to help lower level players like myself get better and truly break that plateau and become a “good” player. After reading the comments on this thread, it honestly pissed me off that people would insult orb like this. Sure, he rages pretty hard, but who can honestly say they don’t get upset when they lose? Especially when someone goes mass speedlings or some other cheese type build. Some people have said that they watch orb’s stream simply to hear him rage, which is definitely not the case. If this is the case, you really need to reassess your life and find a better use of your time then to watch someone because they get mad.
Perhaps players need someone like orb to get so mad and curse and whatnot, perhaps orb’s rage helps to alleviate and almost make fun of the times when we get pissed at ourselves while playing. I know there have been countless times where I have been cursing at my computer after losing then I think back to orb and realize that, “hey, if your not getting mad at some point, your really not trying to win, now just relax and think about what I can do to get better” Anyways the point of this post is twofold: First, please consider why orb streams his games, cause I can tell you it’s not to get money. I know I have learned soooo much from just watching him play. Second, try to realize exactly what your saying [and why your saying it] when you make pointless, unconstructive comments like “I forsee (which isn’t even a word) epic crash and burn…” or out of nowhere insulting someone like Storrzerg.
Thanks TL, thanks Day9, and thanks orb, I’ll be watching your show.
That's not entirely the case. The issue most people have with orb isn't that he gets upset over a game. i believe a lot of people aren't particularly fond of orb because he can be blatantly insulting to people for no good reason.
[/QUOTE] That's not entirely the case. The issue most people have with orb isn't that he gets upset over a game. i believe a lot of people aren't particularly fond of orb because he can be blatantly insulting to people for no good reason.[/QUOTE]
Agreed, and I'm not saying that it is alright to insult someone for no reason. However, the fact remains that he is taking his time to help lower level players out and I don't think that calls for the types of responses that have been posted. People don't have to watch the show or orbs stream, they don't even have to like him. But I believe he is trying to do something good here and I think it would be foolish to make him regret it.
Orb is trying to put together a show that will help out lower level players--the most important demographic if people want SC2 to become a prosperous e-sport. What he's attempting is a service to the SC2 community as a whole. People flaming him in this thread are not only going to detract from his desire to contribute, but others who might want to make similar contributions. These people are a detriment to a community as a whole and there's no reason for them to be posting here.
If you have an issue with orb demeanor, send him a civil PM about it. Flaming him because "he flames people" is just hypocrisy.
That's not entirely the case. The issue most people have with orb isn't that he gets upset over a game. i believe a lot of people aren't particularly fond of orb because he can be blatantly insulting to people for no good reason.[/QUOTE]
Agreed, and I'm not saying that it is alright to insult someone for no reason. However, the fact remains that he is taking his time to help lower level players out and I don't think that calls for the types of responses that have been posted. People don't have to watch the show or orbs stream, they don't even have to like him. But I believe he is trying to do something good here and I think it would be foolish to make him regret it.[/QUOTE] That has yet to be seen. As I've said, I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. I sincerely hope that this isn't some sort of "LOL letz bash noobbzzz" show. But we will see what happens, and as I said before, if he has pure intent with this show, then I will watch it, and wish him the best of luck. And if he does not, then I will have lost all respect for him.
PvT on Blistering Sands. My opponent goes for banshees and I went for a DT fast expand. Would like some help maybe refining this or soemthing, maybe help me look for what will indicate him going banshees early on.
Thanks for doing this kind of a show. Its a great thing to do and us lower level players thank you
Nice to ear someone helping SC2 players for free, but u have to take into consideration to fix ur Stream setting bc it lag a lot, beside that u are OK, i think u should try to Downgrade your HQ
You can feel the utter poisonous hate some people put in their words, so much in fact that it drips from their comments and blurs my screen with numerous rivulets of viscous hate.
If you have problems with his stream, either do not watch it or fuck off.
-orb- is really our working class hero, countless times we've seen him stick it to the high-brow BW intelligentsia establishment. He wins, he looses, never does he accept either lightly.
IdrA is hugely popular not only for his mad skills but also thanks to his display of feelings which we can all relate to. We can't relate to IdrA on a human level though, he's living a life few of us can even imagine.
Players like -orb- and ReSpOnSe are like our neighbors we never knew were playing - and they're willing to share. ReSpOnSe has a bitch ex girlfriend who he wants to marry, -orb-'s closest companionship is his stuffed companion cube. So what? Similar one-sentence shoot-downs could be applied to any single one of our anonymous asses had we been the ones putting our lives on display.
-orb- - we love ya and we need ya - never stop streaming and never conform to plebeian standards of social conduct. You're better and you know it and you let your thousand viewers hear it.
You do the same thing Day9 does where you say your signoff and then shut down the stream and it cuts you off, you need to wait like 10-15 seconds for the delay to catch up.
Good stuff though, maybe take some questions at the end.
Saw the first stream orb, was a good first attempt. Some advice:
Gotta get through replays faster. Once you explain something, you don't have to repeat it again and again or it just takes up too much time. For instance - explaining that the sentry forcefield could have been used to block the ramp during the protoss push on the zerg expansion should have been done once as you came across it during the replay, and then maybe again during a summary at the end. But you mentioned it like 4-5 times or something and took up too much time on it.
Loved your first episode. I actually didn't expect much from your analysis since I wasn't too impressed by your commentating (just being honest).
BUT, I was really blown away. I learned a lot, even as a zerg player, it was great to see what's going through your mind when you make micro/macro decisions. I honestly really enjoyed the show and am looking forward to the next one soon!
Thoughts: I know you probably don't want to copy Day9 but when you're making key points I think it helps to draw attention away from the game by putting the camera on your face. I noticed several moments where I thought it would help.
Concerns: What will your analysis be like on other races, I know you know protoss in and out but I play zerg, so it'll be interesting to see if you can provide key points there as well.
Quick suggestion though: Maybe you can take some time at the end for a quick little Q&A session about the replay that you just finished showing? A lot of people were asking for a QA, and I would like to see you answer some questions, too.
Anyways, great job, it's really great to see someone trying to reach out to the lower tier players. Keep up the good work!
Turn the gain up on your mic or something so you don't have to try to speak louder. I don't agree with a lot of what you say but it gives me a different perspective, I'll catch these as much as I can just like Day9's.
I was very impressed with the show and the depth you took your analysis to. I'm excited to see another day[9]-esque show. Especially one tailored toward the lower level of play. This is great for building the StarCraft community a bit since the barriers of entry for us less skilled players is pretty gruesome.
On April 14 2010 11:00 GreggSauce wrote: Turn the gain up on your mic or something so you don't have to try to speak louder. I don't agree with a lot of what you say but it gives me a different perspective, I'll catch these as much as I can just like Day9's.
I appreciate it, screw the haters =]
He can't. If he turns the gain up he gets a lot of white noise.
Thanks for all the suggestions guys, I think the next one will be even better if I can incorporate some of these!
Checklist: -As was told in IRC I need to cut to my face more. I kept forgetting when pausing the replay and explainin something to switch to my face instead of sitting there looking at nothing -Wait like 10 seconds before cutting off the stream -Q&A Session at the end and don't accept questions mid-stream from people in-game until answering questions at the end. -Get through the replays faster and try to repeat myself less.
-Pour the tea earlier so i can drink it and not get a soar throat gah! hehe
<3 you guys, glad to get the good feedback.
As for the question on whether you can submit non-protoss replays: Yes! While I won't be able to provide as much in-depth race-specific insight and unit-counters I can definitely help with timings and macro/etc.
I only caught the tail end of things, so I can't really offer any real feedback. I enjoy watching your stream for the same reasons as anyone else who enjoys it, so I'll definitely be catching other episodes if you continue. Once I do, I'll offer the most reliable feedback of any type I can muster. Good luck next time.
PvZ (I'm the toss) where I'm constantly contained in my base via muta harass. I think this is a problem a lot of toss have against Zerg (particularly on maps like this - the ever-so-fun Scrap Station). I tried a couple of tricks against the zerg, I think it'd be a fun one for you to commentate on
Edit to add: I didn't realize when you were doing your first show of this (I thought it was an hour later, I need to get my timezones straight), so I only caught the very tail end of your commentary today But what I did see was pretty cool
It was good man, I've been watching your stream for a while now. Getting to know you and your mods, <3 Rhav. I came to watch some good SCII play and lol'd at the rage. Don't listen to the all the haters man, You did great in your first Daily and it was very helpful as I'm just starting to pickup Toss after being a long time Zerg player.
Going to post one of my replays soon, you'll have to let me know if you chose it so I can tune in =)
Great cast, I was very impressed. Had some pretty good tips for low to mid-level players. Definitely, definitely repeating the earlier comments: Less repetition, cut to your cam more, etc.
I do think you should do a little more of analyzing both sides of the matchup. Yes, the goal is to help the guy who submitted the replay, but I think it's really profitable to see what both sides are doing, what they're both thinking. It's why I play random until I feel like I understand every side of all the matchups. While the submitting player wants some help, it's also important to remember that there are plenty of zerg players who you could help by analyzing their side of things. Obviously, the "winning" side needs less analysis, but in the games you analyzed tonight, they made pretty obvious errors as well.
I think that it really helps the protoss players as well. If you can understand what's going through your opponents' mind, it helps your own play. I think that's what separates the best players from the rest: They realize what their opponents are likely doing to respond to a situation and move to preemptively counter it. I know this sounds basic, but I felt like you were focusing too much on just one side. I think everyone would really benefit from at least a basic analysis of the opponent's strategy at various points of the game.
In any event, keep it up. Was very entertaining and probably very helpful to others, too. Just wanted to throw my two cents in.
Dang I think I missed it but I'll be sure to watch next time, the other day when you logged on to analyze that Zerg game I learned a toooon, like more than I've learned from every other shoutcast/replay combined. Looking forward to watching the next one.
On April 14 2010 11:33 Antisocialmunky wrote: I hope you realize that by undertaking this, you will have to play Day[9] in the game and commentate it at some point.
On April 14 2010 13:05 Haemonculus wrote: I'm far from the most knowledgeable player, but I'll happily co-cast from time to time to provide thoughts and insight for Zerg and Terran players.
Yay, my replay got reviewed thanks for doing that. I learned a lot and really enjoyed both of the games that you covered. I was shaky on the timing for gas and I knew that I shouldn't wall off against Terran but I didn't know if I should still build near my ramp or not.
Anyways, great show and I hope you continue to do this.
EDIT: I have one suggestion, when you have time could you start putting together links to the VODs for the show. I had a little trouble finding it, having to search through all of that days VOD's.
loved you show orb you gave some good insight and good helpful tips. stopping the play and talking about the options that are open was really cool. keep up the good work.
Basically having a hard time stopping the zergs 3rd. Once that up I gradually lose more and more map control until I'm contained. I went phoenixes this time because the last time this happened my sentry/stalker combo wasnt good enough to hold.
http://www.mediafire.com/?yttngznxtiy Only bronze atm, playing daily to get better. Usually play Terran, but watching your streams really wanted to make me play Protoss. I would like help on what I need to do better and improve on, and how to micro manage fights better. I would have lost if not for my teammate. Also I would like to know how I could have handled the two battles. The game ends around 33 minutes, after that it's just me and my teammate talking over vent. (And me learning that I can hold shift to create more shields) >_< Still trying to learn all the hotkeys. You are doing a great job though. I really enjoy watching your streams. Keep going
TvP - Where did i go wrong? Did i choose a bad timing to attack? Should i recognize that without scouting / sending scout the correct places? Im having a hard time recognizing things for what they are, i was sure this guys was cheesing me so i messed my build up just to be safe, and forgot my orbital command for a while. Im in silver, though nearly only playing vs gold
ZvP. Pretty sure I know why I lost this game; however, I feel it is a good replay to critique due the outcome. I was ahead in every department but made a couple bad decisions under pressure late in the game. Would be great to hear some advice from a high caliber player. Like how you would have handled the last 5-7 minutes of the game.
Pretty good stuff. Just hmm do some original shit with your personality. "I'm going to get me some teaaaa" That's day9 bro. You want to distinguish yourself from other people when doing similar shows like this or people would just say: "Hey, why watch orb when I can just watch day9".
Conclusion: I don't want to see day9 when I watch your show. I want to see just Orb mentally. Overall some good points, some things I didn't agree to such as getting too many stalkers. He went muta's, sentry's eat muta's, stalker's are alright; but sentry's not only hard counter muta's they like you said in your show they reinforce your ground army pretty damn good.
PS: You do know force field isn't instant for the sentry right? (2nd replay review)
Could always use more insight, I believe I generally know what I did wrong here but as evidenced by me still being stuck in a rut on silver more advise can only help.
This is a PvZ matchup, which is usually one of my stronger matchups.
My first mistake came around the 8:-- mark where I misplaced a Forcefield and ended up eating banelings. I Saw the attack coming, I simply mis clicked.
Now as you can see I did scout early, and of course saw the roach warren going up. In silver this is about a 200% chance that you are going to get nothing but roaches from that point on, so I understandably teched to immortals.
My next mistake comes around 10:30, I have an obs in his base. However I fail to position it correctly or even move it around all that much. Because he has already hit me with baneling/lings/roach, I am convinced he is committed to this. However as one can see from the spire going up that I clearly don't see, this is obviously not the case and my build is about to be rendered moot and I don't even realize it. So problem number 2 is I failed to continue scouting properly.
Come along to 22 minutes into the game, I decide to make a push. The guy clearly has me frustrated at this point as you can see some utterly pointless FF placement. Then I run into my first major surprise..Broodlords. Naturally my ground army gets utterly raped. I make another stab at it, fail to accomplish anything meaningful, then try to tech switch too little too late. The real problem here is zerg had an OL crapping creep on my one viable expo and my main was tapped out. So this put me in a real problem.
Obviously the failure to scout BL tech was a problem. However previous to him getting there I thought my army comp was pretty strong, and was surprised at just how fast he teched to those. That and I really don't know a reasonable way to counter BL as toss.
Decently long match (Rare on silver where most people just try for cheese 4 min all ins), and one of the few Zerg I have encountered who played not only well enough to beat me, but utterly keep me contained and smash me.
I actually feel like I defend against this fairly decently, and have refined my def against it a little more. I did neglect to scout as much as i should have. Had he tech switched, I may have been in trouble. I simply did not feel the need as it was pretty obvious he was committed to his roach/hydra/nydus strat.
I love this stuff, but anyway we can get previous eps on youtube instead of livestream? Livestream is horrendous for recorded stuff (its terrible for live stuff too... but we have a better option for recorded stuff)
Orb, I got a chance to watch the first episode last night. I actually managed to watch both OKB and USAvCanada at the same time. I have some suggestions for you from a technical standpoint.
A. Figure out a way to boost your Master Audio being sent to LiveStream. In comparison to other streams, you were VERY quiet. Not just you, the entire stream. Some may try to convince you that it's better to be lower because then it can be turned up on the users side. It SHOULD actually be the opposite. As long as you aren't coming over hot or distorted the user can still make their own adjustments as needed. This is a very small change that can go a long way - and I realize it's show #1 but if you get some of these things out of the way early, you'll be in better shape.
B. I like your show concept, I would add a suggestion. It might be interesting to actually have the person of the REP you're covering be on skype with you. That way as you're explaining it the person can ask questions. If I was watching one of my replays with you, I would probably be able to think of 1000 questions to ask you. What you're doing is great, but it's also pretty one dimensional. You are doing this show because of your skill and knowledge... that means you also approach the game a bit differently. You must consider that a player who is not at your level would probably ask questions that you would never even think of... mostly due to LACK of knowledge by the player. I believe if you had this type of interaction, you would not only find it easier to generate content but you'd also be doing the community an educational service. At least think about it.
On April 15 2010 01:50 djWHEAT wrote: Orb, I got a chance to watch the first episode last night. I actually managed to watch both OKB and USAvCanada at the same time. I have some suggestions for you from a technical standpoint.
A. Figure out a way to boost your Master Audio being sent to LiveStream. In comparison to other streams, you were VERY quiet. Not just you, the entire stream. Some may try to convince you that it's better to be lower because then it can be turned up on the users side. It SHOULD actually be the opposite. As long as you aren't coming over hot or distorted the user can still make their own adjustments as needed. This is a very small change that can go a long way - and I realize it's show #1 but if you get some of these things out of the way early, you'll be in better shape.
B. I like your show concept, I would add a suggestion. It might be interesting to actually have the person of the REP you're covering be on skype with you. That way as you're explaining it the person can ask questions. If I was watching one of my replays with you, I would probably be able to think of 1000 questions to ask you. What you're doing is great, but it's also pretty one dimensional. You are doing this show because of your skill and knowledge... that means you also approach the game a bit differently. You must consider that a player who is not at your level would probably ask questions that you would never even think of... mostly due to LACK of knowledge by the player. I believe if you had this type of interaction, you would not only find it easier to generate content but you'd also be doing the community an educational service. At least think about it.
C. If you ever need any help, let me know. ^_^
D. Where to get a Mt. Everest Bottle? :D
I really think this is an awsome idea and it would certanly give a twist to the show if it would work out well. good luck with the show^^
I saw the first show last night too. This might be a bit nitpicky, but you spent a lot of time going over points you had gone over repeatedly before.
The cannon issue, for instance, was brought up and discussed at length when the forge was made, when the first muta harrass came, and pretty much once every fight thereafter. Would have been better to simply mention it once, then point out the beneficial effects down the line, but keep it short.
If you could cut out a lot of the repetitive material, you'd probably be able to go through more games and discuss mechanical tips, which I think underlie a lot of the problems for many players.
That said, I rarely bother listening to streams unless they're djWheat's, and I listened to yours the entire way through, so you're clearly doing plenty right.
Best of luck in the future, you're doing a great thing.
B. I like your show concept, I would add a suggestion. It might be interesting to actually have the person of the REP you're covering be on skype with you. That way as you're explaining it the person can ask questions. If I was watching one of my replays with you, I would probably be able to think of 1000 questions to ask you. What you're doing is great, but it's also pretty one dimensional. You are doing this show because of your skill and knowledge... that means you also approach the game a bit differently. You must consider that a player who is not at your level would probably ask questions that you would never even think of... mostly due to LACK of knowledge by the player. I believe if you had this type of interaction, you would not only find it easier to generate content but you'd also be doing the community an educational service. At least think about it.
The only problem I would see with this format is you could potentially get extremely irritating scrubs saying a bunch of nonsense on the show while wishing the entire time they would just STFU... much to the same effect Summa has on your shows.
I really enjoy orb's stream...it helped me greatly in many ways...I got to plat after watching orb's stream...learning unit composition and using sentries to it's full potential... also i love how orb swears on the stream...i love it..wouldn't want to talk to this guy tho...
On April 14 2010 04:09 Naib wrote: You sir make attention-whoring girls blush in shame - but still, good luck with this. Your rage has entertained me quite a bit lately
Enjoyed your Show very much, thank you for it!!! And I love that idea of djWHEAT to have the person that asked you for help on skype to actually ask questions, or at least to write them to you on IRC or battle.net. Looking forward for part 2
On April 15 2010 02:33 Skoove wrote: The only problem I would see with this format is you could potentially get extremely irritating scrubs saying a bunch of nonsense on the show while wishing the entire time they would just STFU... much to the same effect Summa has on your shows.
Fair enough. I'm not suggesting that he just goes, "Ok Player [X] let's get on Skype and watch the replay" - or picking a total random without hearing what he/she has to say before hand. I mean making a show is somewhat of a process, so it wouldn't be perfect each time.
IF I WAS PRODUCING THIS SHOW - I would leave my Skype VoiceMail up - And I would say, "OK if you'd like me to select you for "review" please leave me a MSG on my Skype VM which details the following: Name, Race, League Rank, Biggest Weakness, Biggest Strength, Problems you have."
So I would call in and go, "Hi, I"m djWHEAT, I Play Protoss in Gold League (usually about 10-20 rank). My biggest weakness is late game macro, and my biggest strength is probably not getting panicked during games. I really need some help with mid-game Muta harass and how I can also open opportunities to harass"
Orb would then go, "OK, this guy can speak intelligently" and becomes a candidate.
Again, if I was orb I would try to create a "army" of 10 or so people, that I would bring on the show and keep bringing them on to create consistency, chemistry, and relation. Orb would identify these people as being folks who bring good replays, ask appropriate questions, and make the show two-dimensional. Additionally, with time, the audience begins to "relate" to who you are bringing on.
Orb I hope this makes sense, and like I said, I'm totally down to help in anyway possible. In fact, I'd be happy to be a guinea pig and bring you some replays and let me be the "guy who asks questions based on your review".
It's usually not that difficult to differentiate between someone with a brain and someone who comes from the dregs of the internet. Orb would just need to have some sort of screening process via a "why you should pick my replay" question.
But you start at 9PM EST? That makes it 6PM PST I'm still on my way home from work @ that time... T.T
Oh and Day[9].tv starts at 10PM PST (1AM EST)on mondays, 7PM (10PM EST) on tuesdays and 9PM (Midnight EST) on wednesdays... his schedule is weird like that cuz of his classes... Maybe you can start yours @ 10PM EST every day other than sun/tue/thu??? xD
Anyway, I'll definitely post some replays for lulz... (Some of them are pretty epic) xD
If you need a way to spice up the ending you could do something entertaining like a segment called 'Orb's Minute of Rage' where you rant or rage about anything you want (SC, current events, people, anything, really). This gives the viewers another reason to stay for the whole duration and lets them hear you 'rage' about non-Starcraft related subjects in small doses.
Hang a sheet or something behind you so it doesn't feel like I'm watching some nerd broadcast from his bedroom. I realize this is exactly what you are doing, but it looks horrible. At least with Day[9], you can't see his bed/dirty laundry in the room.
If you want people to take your show seriously, you should be a bit more mannered on your stream. Your 'rage' may incite interest in the show, but who really wants to take advice from some 90 pound basement dweller who flips his shit whenever he loses?
Also, your words aren't 'mathematical' proof of anything, so don't sell it like they are. You are trying to help people in a Beta, not an established/released game, so don't act like what you are preaching is set in stone and is the be-all, end-all.
On April 15 2010 01:50 djWHEAT wrote: Orb, I got a chance to watch the first episode last night. I actually managed to watch both OKB and USAvCanada at the same time. I have some suggestions for you from a technical standpoint.
A. Figure out a way to boost your Master Audio being sent to LiveStream. In comparison to other streams, you were VERY quiet. Not just you, the entire stream. Some may try to convince you that it's better to be lower because then it can be turned up on the users side. It SHOULD actually be the opposite. As long as you aren't coming over hot or distorted the user can still make their own adjustments as needed. This is a very small change that can go a long way - and I realize it's show #1 but if you get some of these things out of the way early, you'll be in better shape.
B. I like your show concept, I would add a suggestion. It might be interesting to actually have the person of the REP you're covering be on skype with you. That way as you're explaining it the person can ask questions. If I was watching one of my replays with you, I would probably be able to think of 1000 questions to ask you. What you're doing is great, but it's also pretty one dimensional. You are doing this show because of your skill and knowledge... that means you also approach the game a bit differently. You must consider that a player who is not at your level would probably ask questions that you would never even think of... mostly due to LACK of knowledge by the player. I believe if you had this type of interaction, you would not only find it easier to generate content but you'd also be doing the community an educational service. At least think about it.
C. If you ever need any help, let me know. ^_^
D. Where to get a Mt. Everest Bottle? :D
Wow thanks for watching my show! Heh, every time I think of you I think of n0thing the cs player's video (n0thing but headshots) as it has your commentary from some live match at the start :D
A: For the audio: My mic is an sm57 and I don't know how I can get it to be louder other than it just being right at my mouth (which my type of mic stand doesn't really support) or basically getting a new mic t_t. This is definitely something I need to look into, I just don't know what to do at the moment because I don't want to spend tons of money on new equipment (I don't have that kind of money lol I don't have a job I'm a college student)
B: This is an interesting idea, although I can see it adding a lot of technical problems to the cast. I was definitely planning on having a Q&A after the show with the people in livestream chat, but maybe if I got the person's contact info to talk to them on AIM or something during the show that would be helpful. It might be hard though when I sometimes get the replay really soon before the show I like the idea though, it makes sense
C: Aw thanks yo!
D: Hehe, I believe you can buy them at REI (if you don't know of it it's a chain store, stands for recreational equipment inc.). My brother works there so I'm pretty sure that's where he bought it from for me ^_^
Hey orb, how do you decide which replays you're going to choose? If you go down the list from the beginning then people just joining the thread will have no chance of getting their replays reviewed.
On April 15 2010 06:37 nZifnab wrote: Hey orb, how do you decide which replays you're going to choose? If you go down the list from the beginning then people just joining the thread will have no chance of getting their replays reviewed.
Anyway love the show keep it up
To be honest maybe I need some kind of system for this but yeah yesterday I basically just went down the list from the start of the thread, but not all replays are "optimal" so to speak so it's not as bad as it sounds.
Also please note in the OP that today's cast will be at 8 PM due to my conflict with playing in the gosucoaching tournament
seriously good, absolutely loved it. Learnt quite a bit thats seems simple, I find it really hard to keep scouting with my probe whilst continuing with my early build structure - i think I just need to keep repeating it and I will get better - I hotkey my nexus and my probe so I can double tap the number and move backwards and forwards but still find it hard and I nearly always lose the probe.
The bit where you talked about the movement of your army and forcefielding the ramp again sounds simple but unless you actually think about it and know it you wouldnt necessarily come up with it in the heat of the battle, now when I am going to wards a choke to kill an exp I will be ready to lay that ff if the army is up the ramp especially v zerg.
I also find it difficult keeping track of my hotkeys again guess it comes with practice, what do u normally set ur nexus as and then ur gateways etc... and lets say mid game how many hotkeys are you using.
sorry for all the q's, anyways thanks for the stream found it useful, I will let you know how I get on.
Well, big props for trying to help not-so-good players, and generally for doing something for community but I really can't see myself following your show happily as much as I follow Day9's show.
To elaborate: you are good player, indeed and you are deserving your rank in platinum for sure but I really can't believe there are people who would watch your show at this point. Well, maybe I am a bit "old" but while watching your stream lately I usually turn sound off and tune in some music. It's really painful listening you whine and rage about every single, and I mean EVERY single thing which makes you lose. It's beta, sure, there are imbalances, but still... your whine about everything and general impression that you would never lose a single game if there wasn't imbalance and that there's no player more perfect then you is really repulsive. And what I find biggest problem is that you started living your initial behavior, while it's O.K. to rage here and there I have feeling you started raging and whining about game by intend as you found out that brings viewers to your channel. It goes that far that you yesterday whined about Terran race while losing against Zerg player. Also whined about losing from cheese/allin while ur opponent did totally legit build, then you didn't even stop on that, you had to whisper him after game with insults. And so on, and so on,... not to mention that every 20 min you are yelling at your viewers with things like "YOU ARE RETARDS". I mean... wtf...
It's strange, there are few as good as you are Protoss' streams but people are following your channel mostly because your behavior, not because of your skill even if you are insulting them on daily basis. If I were top player like you are that fact would bother me a lot.
I just hope one day soon enough you will understand that's not the way to go and that we, viewers, will be in situation to hear something smart and helpful while watching your, mostly, great games. Then, I will be more then happy to follow your Show - every day.
whiterabbit hmm, I see that you very quick to offer advice on how things should be done and how somebody should behave. I'm sure your whiter than white and have a fantastic stream with a mouse made of flowers and a computer of sweets.
How do you know why everyone tunes into his stream?
I watch it not because he rants but because generally his gameplay is good to watch. His show is far from insulting and provided help to some of the lesser players like me, he's not being paid to do that the show lasted like an hour....... don't get on someones back because U don't like the way behave heres an idea just dont tune in to the show or the livestream....
On April 15 2010 07:48 HoracE wrote: whiterabbit hmm, I see that you very quick to offer advice on how things should be done and how somebody should behave. I'm sure your whiter than white and have a fantastic stream with a mouse made of flowers and a computer of sweets.
How do you know why everyone tunes into his stream?
I watch it not because he rants but because generally his gameplay is good to watch. His show is far from insulting and provided help to some of the lesser players like me, he's not being paid to do that the show lasted like an hour....... don't get on someones back because U don't like the way behave heres an idea just dont tune in to the show or the livestream....
Can you honestly tell me that you are enjoying his ranting while watching him play? Honestly enjoying it most of the times? I hardly believe.
I said, I think at least twice, that he is great/top and deserved player but lets be honest, great portion of his viewers are there because of his behavior - and that makes me kinda, dunno, sad.
All I wish is that good player like Orb does behave on the top of his in-game skills and that I can actually HEAR something useful from him other then "Terrans are imba. Blizzard failed. Map sucks." & "ARE YOU F***** RETARDED?". That's all.
And idea of my post is about how someone who never or rarely say anything smart on his stream in ways of tactics/help to improve/game tips can be watched in the Day9's manner.
On April 15 2010 07:48 HoracE wrote: whiterabbit hmm, I see that you very quick to offer advice on how things should be done and how somebody should behave. I'm sure your whiter than white and have a fantastic stream with a mouse made of flowers and a computer of sweets.
How do you know why everyone tunes into his stream?
I watch it not because he rants but because generally his gameplay is good to watch. His show is far from insulting and provided help to some of the lesser players like me, he's not being paid to do that the show lasted like an hour....... don't get on someones back because U don't like the way behave heres an idea just dont tune in to the show or the livestream....
Agreed, we all have our moments where we are mad about something and sure, maybe he does it too much for most people, but those people don't have to watch.
i enjoy the stream yeah honestly I do, his ranting doesnt bother me it's just his frustration and will to win at the end of the day I learn from watching him and he is good enough to put the stream on furthermore he is willing to spend an hour helping people out - if he feels the need to rant then fine like u said turn the sound off if you dont like it and rather than learn from what he says learn from what he does.
you saying he is a great/top player doesnt really mean anything though does it, ever heard the saying give a finger but take a hand.
On April 15 2010 07:48 HoracE wrote: whiterabbit hmm, I see that you very quick to offer advice on how things should be done and how somebody should behave. I'm sure your whiter than white and have a fantastic stream with a mouse made of flowers and a computer of sweets.
How do you know why everyone tunes into his stream?
I watch it not because he rants but because generally his gameplay is good to watch. His show is far from insulting and provided help to some of the lesser players like me, he's not being paid to do that the show lasted like an hour....... don't get on someones back because U don't like the way behave heres an idea just dont tune in to the show or the livestream....
Can you honestly tell me that you are enjoying his ranting while watching him play? Honestly enjoying it most of the times? I hardly believe.
I said, I think at least twice, that he is great/top and deserved player but lets be honest, great portion of his viewers are there because of his behavior - and that makes me kinda, dunno, sad.
All I wish is that good player like Orb does behave on the top of his in-game skills and that I can actually HEAR something useful from him other then "Terrans are imba. Blizzard failed. Map sucks." & "ARE YOU F***** RETARDED?". That's all.
And idea of my post is about how someone who never or rarely say anything smart on his stream in ways of tactics/help to improve/game tips can be watched in the Day9's manner.
Look I love Day9 don't get me wrong, but I really don't think there is a problem with people being different than him. Everyone has their own personality and own way of doing things. And I don't know how much you actually watch orb's stream but many times he does talk about what he's thinking and why he's doing stuff (which is really helpful btw orb). And I have said this before but I just don't believe that people ONLY watch his stream because he gets mad, if thats the case watch a movie or youtube or something. Clearly there is an interest in starcraft and orbs play as well
On April 15 2010 07:48 HoracE wrote: whiterabbit hmm, I see that you very quick to offer advice on how things should be done and how somebody should behave. I'm sure your whiter than white and have a fantastic stream with a mouse made of flowers and a computer of sweets.
How do you know why everyone tunes into his stream?
I watch it not because he rants but because generally his gameplay is good to watch. His show is far from insulting and provided help to some of the lesser players like me, he's not being paid to do that the show lasted like an hour....... don't get on someones back because U don't like the way behave heres an idea just dont tune in to the show or the livestream....
Agreed, we all have our moments where we are mad about something and sure, maybe he does it too much for most people, but those people don't have to watch.
On April 15 2010 07:58 HoracE wrote: i enjoy the stream yeah honestly I do, his ranting doesnt bother me it's just his frustration and will to win at the end of the day I learn from watching him and he is good enough to put the stream on furthermore he is willing to spend an hour helping people out - if he feels the need to rant then fine like u said turn the sound off if you dont like it and rather than learn from what he says learn from what he does.
you saying he is a great/top player doesnt really mean anything though does it, ever heard the saying give a finger but take a hand.
Antaeus, thanks for partially agreeing on my post(s).
And I hope more people understood my real intention behind of post(s) which maybe on first sight look like "hate posts".
Thing is, I am really really really enjoying watching Orb play. And my "hate" towards him is there just because I wish he was better person who would share, vocally, his thoughts about game other then pure rage, whine, hate & viewer's insults. Then enjoyment watching his stream would be absolutely great, and I am sad he's not that kind of a guy.
On April 15 2010 07:48 HoracE wrote: whiterabbit hmm, I see that you very quick to offer advice on how things should be done and how somebody should behave. I'm sure your whiter than white and have a fantastic stream with a mouse made of flowers and a computer of sweets.
How do you know why everyone tunes into his stream?
I watch it not because he rants but because generally his gameplay is good to watch. His show is far from insulting and provided help to some of the lesser players like me, he's not being paid to do that the show lasted like an hour....... don't get on someones back because U don't like the way behave heres an idea just dont tune in to the show or the livestream....
Can you honestly tell me that you are enjoying his ranting while watching him play? Honestly enjoying it most of the times? I hardly believe.
I said, I think at least twice, that he is great/top and deserved player but lets be honest, great portion of his viewers are there because of his behavior - and that makes me kinda, dunno, sad.
All I wish is that good player like Orb does behave on the top of his in-game skills and that I can actually HEAR something useful from him other then "Terrans are imba. Blizzard failed. Map sucks." & "ARE YOU F***** RETARDED?". That's all.
And idea of my post is about how someone who never or rarely say anything smart on his stream in ways of tactics/help to improve/game tips can be watched in the Day9's manner.
Look I love Day9 don't get me wrong, but I really don't think there is a problem with people being different than him. Everyone has their own personality and own way of doing things. And I don't know how much you actually watch orb's stream but many times he does talk about what he's thinking and why he's doing stuff (which is really helpful btw orb). And I have said this before but I just don't believe that people ONLY watch his stream because he gets mad, if thats the case watch a movie or youtube or something. Clearly there is an interest in starcraft and orbs play as well
Well Orb himself made parallel with Day9.
And I didn't say ONLY and everyone (for instance, I am there because of his gaming not because of his rage), but I said and I still believe most people are watching him because of his behavior. And judging the comments on the Livestream's chat I am right, at least to the some point.
hey orb. first off, i really enjoy watching your stream and i want to thank you for sharing the joy that is starcraft with the world. i'm a terran player and i have been since way back in 98 or something - DIE ZERG AND SPACEELVES!
this is me as T vs suna as P
im probably around silver/low gold level atm, bnet keeps deleting my ladderstats though so i cant tell you exactly. i think i have a pretty decent grasp of how to open as terran, usually i go supply on 10, rax on 12, gas on 13, orbital command on 15 and then on to a reaper or marauders. in this particular replay though for some reason i decided to open with two barracks very early, i think in part because i wanted to wall off my entrance and i panicked. i know something is off and i know my micro is far from perfect (i click most stuff, lol), but i'd really like your opinion in where exactly i need to focus the most on my game to improve. as the way i lose is generally how i tend to lose even with my standard opening, being horribly outnumbered.
i think he was agreeing with my post, and also that you dont really have to watch (maybe he does it too much for someone is a loose parity with your post)
I see what your saying; although he is a great player and you benefit from watching him play, if only you could mould his personality into something that you personally would appreciate, then for you his stream would be perfect.
You wish he was a better person....!!! i'll say no more on this, i'm going to bed.
On April 15 2010 08:08 HoracE wrote: i think he was agreeing with my post, and also that you dont really have to watch (maybe he does it too much for someone is a loose parity with your post)
I see what your saying; although he is a great player and you benefit from watching him play, if only you could mould his personality into something that you personally would appreciate, then for you his stream would be perfect.
You wish he was a better person....!!! i'll say no more on this, i'm going to bed.
On April 15 2010 08:01 Antaeus wrote: @Horace, meant to quote whiterabbit in that first post, my apologies
Anyway, yeah and that's why posts I made are my and only mine personal view I felt sharing.
Tho, I am sure there are people who feel and think like I do about this matter.
"Agreed, we all have our moments where we are mad about something and sure, maybe he does it too much for most people, but those people don't have to watch."
how on earth could you possibly know the above post was in reference to your post as he/she quoted mine above it... (unless ur somehow both the same person). Not to mention the fact that what is written corresponds directly with mine - i,e maybe he does it too much and those people dont have to watch.
On April 15 2010 07:42 whiterabbit wrote: Well, big props for trying to help not-so-good players, and generally for doing something for community but I really can't see myself following your show happily as much as I follow Day9's show.
To elaborate: you are good player, indeed and you are deserving your rank in platinum for sure but I really can't believe there are people who would watch your show at this point. Well, maybe I am a bit "old" but while watching your stream lately I usually turn sound off and tune in some music. It's really painful listening you whine and rage about every single, and I mean EVERY single thing which makes you lose. It's beta, sure, there are imbalances, but still... your whine about everything and general impression that you would never lose a single game if there wasn't imbalance and that there's no player more perfect then you is really repulsive. And what I find biggest problem is that you started living your initial behavior, while it's O.K. to rage here and there I have feeling you started raging and whining about game by intend as you found out that brings viewers to your channel. It goes that far that you yesterday whined about Terran race while losing against Zerg player. Also whined about losing from cheese/allin while ur opponent did totally legit build, then you didn't even stop on that, you had to whisper him after game with insults. And so on, and so on,... not to mention that every 20 min you are yelling at your viewers with things like "YOU ARE RETARDS". I mean... wtf...
It's strange, there are few as good as you are Protoss' streams but people are following your channel mostly because your behavior, not because of your skill even if you are insulting them on daily basis. If I were top player like you are that fact would bother me a lot.
I just hope one day soon enough you will understand that's not the way to go and that we, viewers, will be in situation to hear something smart and helpful while watching your, mostly, great games. Then, I will be more then happy to follow your Show - every day.
yes he does "rage" and "whine" in his stream but he did a good job of not doing these things during his show
and for the most part when he does complain about inbalances they are legit inbanances in the game
At first I thought he quoted your post and wrote that to show I am not only one feeling that way that's why I thanked him. And honestly we are not same person, can't imagine myself doing that what you are implying. I don't even know the guy. I guess mods can check IPs to clarify that.
And secondly, I love djWHEAT's suggestion of being in contact with the player at hand via Skype or something similar. Not only would it be really helpful for the player and all of us, but it would also help your show stand appart from the rest because as it is now, it sort of blends in with what Day9 is already doing. Which isn't necessarily bad per se but it would just be a lot more interesting that way. IMO.
This is a PvP game. Myself (Alou) vs Syzygy. (21:18 duration) File should be titled [PvP LOSS (EPIC THOUGH)] despite not being that epic haha >.<
Anyways, my questions on this replay are mainly, what to do when your opponent throws something at you which you didn't expect. What should my mindset be. I was going to try some void rays and phoenixes because at that point all the Protoss players I went against were throwing mass zealots at me with a few stalkers. I thought I was relatively prepared.
This opponent, however, went mass stalkers with a blink upgrade, something at this point, I never went up against. So my question really is, how do you react when the unexpected comes your way? There are definitely loads of mistakes on my part and Syzygy's part. He had some really bad macro mid-way through, and I definitely made many mistakes in that game with not using my resources wisely. I'm a copper player slowly improving every day and I would love to hear your feedback on what went wrong. Definitely a lot of mistakes in there that can be commented on. Also with the suggestions in this thread, I do have Skype + Show Spoiler +
(Sileo.Alex@Gmail.com or Alou)
and would be willing to give that suggestion a try. Chatting with you as the game goes on to ask any questions that I come up with, that you might think are relatively obvious, seems like it could be really helpful both to me and other viewers.
Thanks for taking the time and doing this and I will definitely tune in for the next show.
All I wish is that good player like Orb does behave on the top of his in-game skills and that I can actually HEAR something useful from him other then "Terrans are imba. Blizzard failed. Map sucks." & "ARE YOU F***** RETARDED?". That's all.
GJ on over-generalizing there bro. You seen what, 10 minutes of his stream? He is always handing out little tips and tricks he uses while playing. Not sure if you are expecting a full commentary as he is playing.
Everyone rages about something in SC2 (or any other video game), justified or not. You might not express it, but you do rage (unless you are some kind of emotionless black hole.) Orb chooses to express his. Don't like it? Then why bother watching his stream or post in his threads? There is other options out there. No one is pulling a Clockwork Orange on you.
Game is 23 minutes or something like that. I opened up 1 gate into robo tech playing a lot of drop ship play harass with immortals. Did some good damaged. Towards the end I pushed but lost the battle. Was it because of unit composition? Placement? Please help a fellow Protoss!
All I wish is that good player like Orb does behave on the top of his in-game skills and that I can actually HEAR something useful from him other then "Terrans are imba. Blizzard failed. Map sucks." & "ARE YOU F***** RETARDED?". That's all.
GJ on over-generalizing there bro. You seen what, 10 minutes of his stream? He is always handing out little tips and tricks he uses while playing. Not sure if you are expecting a full commentary as he is playing.
Everyone rages about something in SC2 (or any other video game), justified or not. You might not express it, but you do rage (unless you are some kind of emotionless black hole.) Orb chooses to express his. Don't like it? Then why bother watching his stream or post in his threads? There is other options out there. No one is pulling a Clockwork Orange on you.
10 min? Huh. Days and days "in-game" watchin' his stream would be more appropriate. And yeah, sorry, I didn't know criticism/disliking is forbidden. I should have known better!
All I wish is that good player like Orb does behave on the top of his in-game skills and that I can actually HEAR something useful from him other then "Terrans are imba. Blizzard failed. Map sucks." & "ARE YOU F***** RETARDED?". That's all.
GJ on over-generalizing there bro. You seen what, 10 minutes of his stream? He is always handing out little tips and tricks he uses while playing. Not sure if you are expecting a full commentary as he is playing.
Everyone rages about something in SC2 (or any other video game), justified or not. You might not express it, but you do rage (unless you are some kind of emotionless black hole.) Orb chooses to express his. Don't like it? Then why bother watching his stream or post in his threads? There is other options out there. No one is pulling a Clockwork Orange on you.
10 min? Huh. Days and days "in-game" watchin' his stream would be more appropriate. And yeah, sorry, I didn't know criticism/disliking is forbidden. I should have known better!
Why do you watch him or post here then if you dislike him? Seems like you got better things to be doing than this. It's not forbidden, it's just...why?
All I wish is that good player like Orb does behave on the top of his in-game skills and that I can actually HEAR something useful from him other then "Terrans are imba. Blizzard failed. Map sucks." & "ARE YOU F***** RETARDED?". That's all.
GJ on over-generalizing there bro. You seen what, 10 minutes of his stream? He is always handing out little tips and tricks he uses while playing. Not sure if you are expecting a full commentary as he is playing.
Everyone rages about something in SC2 (or any other video game), justified or not. You might not express it, but you do rage (unless you are some kind of emotionless black hole.) Orb chooses to express his. Don't like it? Then why bother watching his stream or post in his threads? There is other options out there. No one is pulling a Clockwork Orange on you.
10 min? Huh. Days and days "in-game" watchin' his stream would be more appropriate. And yeah, sorry, I didn't know criticism/disliking is forbidden. I should have known better!
Why do you watch him or post here then if you dislike him? Seems like you got better things to be doing than this. It's not forbidden, it's just...why?
People like watching streams of decent players, but they don't want to hear crazy ranting and total bm constantly along with it. Its a fair criticism.
All I wish is that good player like Orb does behave on the top of his in-game skills and that I can actually HEAR something useful from him other then "Terrans are imba. Blizzard failed. Map sucks." & "ARE YOU F***** RETARDED?". That's all.
GJ on over-generalizing there bro. You seen what, 10 minutes of his stream? He is always handing out little tips and tricks he uses while playing. Not sure if you are expecting a full commentary as he is playing.
Everyone rages about something in SC2 (or any other video game), justified or not. You might not express it, but you do rage (unless you are some kind of emotionless black hole.) Orb chooses to express his. Don't like it? Then why bother watching his stream or post in his threads? There is other options out there. No one is pulling a Clockwork Orange on you.
10 min? Huh. Days and days "in-game" watchin' his stream would be more appropriate. And yeah, sorry, I didn't know criticism/disliking is forbidden. I should have known better!
Why do you watch him or post here then if you dislike him? Seems like you got better things to be doing than this. It's not forbidden, it's just...why?
because criticism can help people improve? if everyone is all nice to you even though you suck how are you ever gonna find out
I played this game earlier today, and I thought it was somewhat interesting. I was a bit rusty after not having played for a few days, and i made a few really horrible attacks, but I wanted to see what you thought I could improve on this game.
I feel like my early game was OK in a macro sense although i made a few mistakes, but i don't know what happened but I just feel like I fell apart in the mid/late game.
This is a game I played recently. Not sure what went wrong, he had a good push with mm and a few tanks, but just demolished me when I tried to attack. I am the P.
I'm watching you a lot, but here's a replay I would like you to comment. I have plenty holes in my game but I've a really hard time handling the harass from the ennemy...
Here's the replay I would like you to comment out.
Replay: http://www.mediafire.com/?qmzmy2cmjdj Frost(me) Vs. Snuggles Interesting game on desert oasis. A lot of ZvZ is trying to rush to muta what with the roach nerf, but i'm not a huge fan of them being used as full on combat units, so i tried to see how roach hydra would do with spore crawlers to allow me to have some mobility.
My opponent stuck with muta/ling, and at first my hydras were melting, but based on this replay it seems like there reaches a critical mass where the mutas just fall so fast that the splash is irrelevant, and hydras seem to one-shot zerglings. Granted I feel like I had a stronger opening than him in that I got an expo up faster while transitioning a lot more smoothly. It would be interesting to note the drone count at points during the game, because while he was teching to mutas i was able to pump drones for a LONG time. Anyway, enjoy, i hope this gets reviewed
hey orb just wanted to say thanks for choosing my replay yesterday on your first daily, I missed it unfortunately but someone posted a link to the vod and I just watched it! It helped me out a lot and gave me a ton of ways to improve, best of luck with your daily!
Missed today's show cause I had an exam, but just finished watching. Someone already pointed out to you about those green/purple lines but I have another suggestion you might want to consider in the future. You may or may not want to invest in a pop filter for your mic. It's a common problem, when you have the "p" sound and the "th" sound, you get this loud bang and its kinda like a mini explosion.
It's more of a convenience thing, but it would help a bit. Once again, great cast today and I look forward to tomorrows.
Orb, I think you're great and like the show quite a lot. It's nice to see that all of the haters who were stupidly and childishly flaming this thread before you had even done your first show have now shut up, probably because your shows have proven their snap judgments to be totally wrong. Or they got their jollies in and are now flaming someone else. Either way, I don't think anyone can deny that you've got a show that really benefits the community and you're pretty awesome to do it.
Maybe this non-raging Orb could make it to the stream a little more often?
By the way thanks a lot for being really respectful in addressing my awful play. I'm sure your stream wasn't so calm and understanding my silver league noob play.
Orb, great show and stream. Here are a couple replays you can look at if you get a chance. In both I'm the losing Protoss against a Terran (Bronze league).
REPLAY: http://bit.ly/dz8fLb Here the Terran goes fast Banshees on Desert Oasis. First time I've faced it as Protoss.
REPLAY: http://bit.ly/9axJ2g Here the Terran uses some Reaper harass and destroys me with EMP on Blistering Sands. Something I'm having trouble stopping.
Hello orb i would like some help with my playstyle.
In this replay iam the losing Protoss (Delilah) vs Terran (Peanuts) who makes mech on lost tempel. I have not encounter so many mech players, so i find it abit confusing and not sure what to do against it in mid game.
This is Gold Leauge EU were iam ranked 20-30 in my division.
Hi Orb, just played a game against a terran that did, at least compared to the majority of terran I play against on the EU serv, an usual build TvP.
He did a 2rax reactor-lab for ghosts and fast starport reactor for medivac. I killed his first offensive by having just lots of shits and spreading them to not get my 4 immortals EMPED. At that point I just contain him and expand waiting to outmacro him. I get a little too confident and my macro slip, I didn't spread my shits anymore and all but I did contained him before he got a critical amount of Medivacs to backup his marines.
I got some colossus a bit late but his marines/ghosts ball was out of control with so many medivac, and I would really like to know where I could have done better.
Resaturation of my main and expand should have been earlier and I shouldn't get so confident when I confine someone in their main but could I have get the upper hand without switching to HT to feedback medivac and storm the marines?
I tried watching the stream and I learnt something from the games, but the nerd rage is a bit over the top. Raging like that cannot be healthy on a daily basis.
I guess the number of viewers are to some extent derived from the fact that you are very vocal in the community.
My question to everyone is: Who else streams at a daily basis high quality games (preferably with a bit of chat as well)?
On April 16 2010 05:39 Nilaus wrote: My question to everyone is: Who else streams at a daily basis high quality games (preferably with a bit of chat as well)?
Lzgamer and Vynata (not sure if that's spelled correctly) are also very good streams to watch.
I'm fairly new here so I just discovered your livestream shows.
I find that your review of replays is a nice complement to the day[9] content. You both bring a different style to how you review things and I find it great for newer players like myself. It also helps me when I look at my own replays.
Hey Orb, Love your stream, have learnt alot from it. Just wondering if you could look over this game i played PvT. i thought i was playing quite well, although ended up losing to his mass banshee/viking build. just wondering if you could look over it and give me a few tips to improve. Thanks.
PS: im ~9-10 copper league
EDIT: just realised i didn't GG at the end of it :O im ashamed lol :/
Even though i'm not a protoss player i enjoyed episode 2 alot orb. You offer alot of detailed insight that can be completely missed by the lesser players.
Thanks again. Btw keep that hat off, looking better/more serious without it.
Here you go, Orb. I won this match by a somewhat large margin, but only because my opponent really was kind of bad. I feel like I made quite a few mistakes (ugh, ignore the 3 probes that aren't mining at the beginning. That just...doesn't happen...)
PvP:
Ok, so I think I had some pretty great micro, which is the main reason I won. I also had a much better macro. Even so, I really think it could be improved. Had he pushed earlier, I probably would have lost. It's amazing how far behind I fell due to those early probes not mining. Other than that, I normally have problems probing after a certain point, but I think I did much better here, though I would certainly appreciate some feedback. Some building position tips would definitely be helpful! I don't normally start with a wall in PvP, but my opponent picked random, so I was preparing for a potential Zerg opponent.
Some key points of my typical play (my normal build order):
9 pylon 12/13 gateway then scout (After my placements, I check proxy positions like crazy...) 14/15 gas (I get one gas as soon as I have the minerals after my gateway starts) Cybernetics and a second/third gateway asap
From there I get Stalkers and Sentries and add a Robo bay (which I forgot about in this game while under pressure...). I throw in some Zealots during the Cybernetics warp-in if I see a two gate rush.
If you pick my replay, let me know ahead of time through a PM. I'm technically in Bronze league, but I'd say I'm easily Silver, and more likely Gold level (I had some unfortunate accidents in my placements...such as picking the wrong race). Let me know if you agree, because I think it would be great to have a second opinion on that matter.
Hey Orb, I'm in the bronze league atm and I'm starting to feel very comfortable with my Zerg play.
However, I continue to lose against something not expected and having trouble not adapting to my opponents tech switches. I would greatly appreciate it if you were to take a look at my replay and point out a few things you think would help improve my play, that I may not have realized. Thanks!
With regards to the green lines that appear on your stream sometimes: they only appear when you switch to the camera view on you, they're not present when we see SC2. To me that suggests it's a webcam issue. Hope it helps your troubleshooting, thanks for streaming.
Replay:http://www.mediafire.com/?mgd1um2gxik TvT is what I need help with because against everything else I'm solid, just can't beat my own race ironically. I'm silver league 7-0 TvP 8-2 TvZ 2-6 TvT (including practice matches) and i'm moving up quickly in silver league. I just need to be better TvT. Thanks.
PvT, what I thought I did wrong was that I over did it with the collosus so I ended up not having enough money for stalkers to counter vikings =/. My macro also went down hill after my high yield got destroyed. When I was attacking him, I was deciding whether I should have put down another expo, but my resources were so limited that I decided to get more units to reinforce my attack. Should I have place down an expo instead of continuing my attack during that last battle in front of the Terran's main? Thanks =D
Really big fan of the stream and the new show. I just got my beta key a few weeks ago and have played a little here and there when I don't have college stuff to keep up with, but just watching your streams and learning about build order timing has vastly improved my early game.
Will probably upload a replay or two in the near future, but I just moved into Bronze (haven't played SC in years, and jumped into playing without even knowing what the units did, lol) and I'm really not much good, for reasons I already know. I'm just terrible when it comes to macro, even though I know that's more important than Micro probably 80% of the time.
I am having trouble with PvZ when Z goes mutas, especially on Desert Oasis. Here is a recent game where I go against mutas and he is able to just out produce me and eventually wins with just mutas and lings off 2 base. I tried to do a timing push with my immortals and zealots but it was too late. I should have probably got blink for my stalkers, but I'm not sure how much that would have helped, he just had too many.
Anyway just looking for help against mutas and on Desert oasis.
On April 17 2010 08:08 SolHeiM wrote: So you're going to do this every single day? No weekend breaks and shit?
Not exactly sure at the moment.
For now I think I'll just be doing it every day and post/edit the OP with notifications when I won't be doing one that day. Maybe in the near future I'll figure out a more exact schedule of when I'll be hosting it and when I won't, but for now it'll just be on a day by day basis so just check the thread OP for updates
Just wanted to say that you are really doing an awesome job with this and it's improving with the day! First few replays were basicly only about "scout more scout more scout more" but only heard you say it ONCE today, so props!
All this replay feedback is incredibly educational for new players like myself, so would really like to thank you for this.
What I'd like to know though is when you regularly actually stream your own games? Also would be nice to have you review one of your own replays where you totally screwed up or something!
Cheers,
// poNji
P.S. Why does the chat have to be muted when it's not live?
Hey, Orb. I have a quick suggestion. Add the names of those who sent in the replays you stream to your OP and maybe put up links to the replays themselves through mediafire. That would be awesome. I have a doozy of a replay for you to check out (PvZ):
Excuse the BM. I was playing with a friend and kind of raged at...well, you'll see. It turns out I still could have won if I'd gone straight for his tech buildings after our big fight that I won handily, despite losing a bunch of probes and a Nexus early on.
my opponent is terrible, with over 1k minerals, but still won because, well, all in zergling my crisis management wasn't all that great and I kind of panicked at the zerglings, and did things wrong, but not sure exactly what I should have done. Added more gateways?
I kind of hope you show this quick game (only 6 minutes) and show some tips on how to hold this off?
Here is one of my games, with an annoying result without a clue about how to stop it, or what did I done wrong. Its about a reapers harass vs early stalkers, and would be good if you have thought outs about this game http://www.mediafire.com/?2tzjrnymhjy
My nickname is Ladde and I'm from Sweden. I am a fairly new player to Sc2. I never played Sc1 much, just UMS and some BGH maps. I played some Wc3 and was quite descent on it.
Now I'm playing Sc2 as much as I can. I play Protoss, on the EU servers, and I goes quite well. I am in silver league and my opponent is in gold I believe. I've been looking on your stream and tried to copying as much as I can, and then evolve around it.
I have problems with PvT. Especially on this map, and I think alot of players have that to. The map is Kulas Ravine and as Terrans have a really easy to defend on this map. Small choke at the entrance and then a natural on higherground with siege tanks.
The game ends as I get banshee attacked, and while I try to attack his position. The tanks are just to good placed. I try to destroy the stones to his natural, but still tanks on highground is hard to get to. He also puts up alot of turrets as it keeps me from scouting. I could have got some more cannons but his numer of Banshees really tears them apart.
I am just clueless what to do. I can't do a frontal assult since I get killed from the tanks. An I can'r really do an air attack either. And out macro him seems hard since I am pretty weak in late-game againts Terrans.
Would like to hear what to do in this position. As I think alot of people have the same issue.
I scout his spire going up and start to cannon my mineral line and build a stalker/sentry army, I manage to push for an attack but his lings sheer overwhelm me due to bad force fields and a bad decision to not push into his base and lock his lings out. Not to mention lack of focus fire. My attack fails but I manage to rebuild and make some stupid decisions and mess up some blink micro while trying to attack his base again.
I just feel so contained, I've watched your other ones when you mentioned to push out once you believe your mineral line is protected enough and I think I may have gotten the timing right but just failed upon force field micro to block the speedlings etc. Be great if you could check it out and get a second opinion.
Cheers (I also food block myself a bit - something to improve on)
Silver league PvP. Being new to starcraft I don't know the best tacs yet. I am finding it hard to know what's going wrong in this battle. Do I need to make more units faster? scout more? or perhaps I just need better micro. I would really appreciate some help. Thanks
On April 18 2010 02:07 gEzUS wrote: I heard you were taken off TL net "featured" stream because of racial remarks?
Good riddance if true. Elaborate if not?
I raged at a maphacker over a month ago while streaming
Who cares?
So if someone is a maphacker that gives you the excuse to be racially abusive?
Maybe the people who are offended at your racial remarks care (though I will say I do not watch your stream nor your show).
Good luck in the future.
This is the internet. If you can't take racial remarks go cry to your parents elsewhere.
This is also no place to discuss this. This has absolutely nothing at all to do with my show as I have done nothing of the sort on my show. It was also a month ago
On April 18 2010 02:07 gEzUS wrote: I heard you were taken off TL net "featured" stream because of racial remarks?
Good riddance if true. Elaborate if not?
I raged at a maphacker over a month ago while streaming
Who cares?
So if someone is a maphacker that gives you the excuse to be racially abusive?
Maybe the people who are offended at your racial remarks care (though I will say I do not watch your stream nor your show).
Good luck in the future.
This is the internet. If you can't take racial remarks go cry to your parents elsewhere.
This is also no place to discuss this. This has absolutely nothing at all to do with my show as I have done nothing of the sort on my show. It was also a month ago
Ok I am confused, you attack me supposing that "I cry to my parents elsewhere" when you make racially abusive comments *THEN* say this is not the place to discuss this (after you make your attack) then make the confusing statement that you did not make the comment, over a month ago (rethink your response).
edit:: I would prefer if you private message me rather than making this public to discuss this further.
On April 18 2010 02:07 gEzUS wrote: I heard you were taken off TL net "featured" stream because of racial remarks?
Good riddance if true. Elaborate if not?
I raged at a maphacker over a month ago while streaming
Who cares?
So if someone is a maphacker that gives you the excuse to be racially abusive?
Maybe the people who are offended at your racial remarks care (though I will say I do not watch your stream nor your show).
Good luck in the future.
This is the internet. If you can't take racial remarks go cry to your parents elsewhere.
This is also no place to discuss this. This has absolutely nothing at all to do with my show as I have done nothing of the sort on my show. It was also a month ago
Ok I am confused, you attack me supposing that "I cry to my parents elsewhere" when you make racially abusive comments *THEN* say this is not the place to discuss this (after you make your attack) then make the confusing statement that you did not make the comment, over a month ago (rethink your response).
edit:: I would prefer if you private message me rather than making this public to discuss this further.
No, he's making a number of arguments that while true are very stupid:
1. He didn't make the comment ON the show. Therefore, it doesn't matter for the show. True, but also distasteful. If this show were actually important or had any sort of 'real' media impact (i.e. the real world) then yes, he would have to moderate his private behavior. Since it's not sponsored and is "privately" funded, in the loosest sense of the word, then he can do whatever the fuck he wants.
2. You are a baby if you don't like people being racist assholes on the internet. Not necessarily true, but certainly there are many idiots online. It doesn't make him less of an asshole for doing it just because we can expect it. It's a fallacious argument. If you don't like reading someone calling another a n*gger, then you can cry to your parents. I can expect that a plantation owner in the 1800's would rape and beat his slaves, does it make it less offensive to me? No, not really.
3. He's immature, let him be a defensive baby and blow it out of proportion instead of either ignoring it or apologizing for it. He doesn't realize that if he is going to have a public personality and a private personality that it's not really his choice.
To be 100% honest I do not take offense from racially abusive remarks (if the OP made them), I was just curious over the OP's response to the previous remark by another poster as the OP is attempting to be a public figure in the SC2 scene.
I watch his show while I wait for day9 and the show could get better if he had some manners also if he could get rid of the kid with the most annoying voice (Storr).
On April 18 2010 03:41 umsplay wrote: I watch his show while I wait for day9 and the show could get better if he had some manners also if he could get rid of the kid with the most annoying voice (Storr).
Storr isn't on my show and I've never had bad manners while on the show.
Clearly you're watching something else (likely VODs of me playing normal games from the past).
So no, you don't watch my show. You watch my stream. There's a big difference.
This game is a PvZ where the Zerg goes a really quick Muta tech and keeps me running around in my base. I would like to know how to transition out of this without getting run over. I saw he was going to tech switch to mass roaches but it felt like there was nothing I could do.
On April 18 2010 03:41 umsplay wrote: I watch his show while I wait for day9 and the show could get better if he had some manners also if he could get rid of the kid with the most annoying voice (Storr).
Storr isn't on my show and I've never had bad manners while on the show.
Clearly you're watching something else (likely VODs of me playing normal games from the past).
So no, you don't watch my show. You watch my stream. There's a big difference.
My bad I mixed it with the stream! The show where you give other players tips is actually good.
Love the stream / show Orb. Please don't listen to the poopy heads - your raging is your best quality. I love when i see a PvZ come up on your stream... i know it's gonna be entertaining.
Sigh I'm sorry orb your having to deal with idiots in this thread. Your stream is helpful, clean, funny and knowledgeable. If you guys are joining for drama, there is no drama for orb knows best, so will you kids shut the fuck up about random bullshit?
I'm definitely liking the idea of an Orb show. I love the Orb stream with all the occasional anger; it reflects normal game play. It's better than watching someone play but act so detached from the match.
I heard you mention before in one of your shows that you would find it cool to have some sort of video intro, so it got me thinking! I'm not a pro animator or anything, only started playing around with Adobe After Effects today following some tutorials and stuff and came out with this:
It's really simple, but it was fun making it! I'll be following a lot more tutorials and hope that I can come out with something even more awesome (I was already surprised that I even managed to make this tbh).
Looking forward to tonight's show!
Cheers, and keep up the good work!
// poNji
P.S. PM me if you would like me to upload the source file of the intro and send it to you or something.
An Orb intro should be another competition, for a prize or not. People on TL always come up with really good fun stuff when a task is put in front of them.
An Orb intro should be another competition, for a prize or not. People on TL always come up with really good fun stuff when a task is put in front of them.
Gief beta key competition! :p Though a european key!
On April 18 2010 06:37 -orb- wrote: Heh if i had one to give
Added sound to the intro and updated the original post.
P.S. You're a true protoss player if you manage to guess the sound I used! It's a soundfile from one of the units (not entirely sure if it's a BW soundfile or a SC2 or whatsoever), just guess the unit/action!
Here's a 22 min PvT game with the terran constantly harassing and keeping pressure on me with reapers and then banshees/ground army until I just can't keep up with him. I'm floating around top5 in silver league EU.
My first time posting kuz i have been busy w/e. First I wanna say you are my favorite streamer
I wasnt trying to troll on my Q&A on what your opinion was on Pheonix, Archons, Carriers, and MS, i just wanted to see if you had any ideas on how they could be useful of if I shouldnt even make them until they are "fixed" or something = ) .
I watch your stream daily and I love it especially since you have lowered your rage a bit; very edifying in my attainment for wisdom in SC2 until i get my key.
Since I wasx a little slow to get my question out I was going to ask something of importance to TvP and since you are primarily a toss player I thought you could give me good feedback.
If I harass toss and say kill 4-8 probes and then transition my harass from reaper to banshee and kill another say 4-6 probes w/ a constant harass would that be enough to slow down a push or make the toss army that they plan to push with small when toss goes 4 gate? Also I'm one basing and just planning to hold until all my mineral fields are below 600 and then expo. My basic unit composition is mmm (12 marines/maruaders 2-4 medivac) with bc/ Tank transition (Tanks to defend another expand, bc to harass and attack).
Also what is a telltale sign of an DT rush when they hide their dark shine randomly on the map? Just asking b/c I have lost to toss because they DT rush. Should I just assume that because Toss most likely has a observer that I should tech to Raven instead of banshee harass and risk allowing Toss to have more resources to make a larger army more quickly?
Thanks. And yes I sent you a TvT a while ago. I think it was on 13 page . Good Luck in Tournament.
Watched it for the first time today, I like the nature you do it in, helping out the community, giving direct perspectives of peoples replays, I don't get why people would tune out just because of the way you might rage in a game, this is a completely separate deal, and I like it. Might send in one of my replays some time.
On April 18 2010 05:10 StorrZerg wrote: Sigh I'm sorry orb your having to deal with idiots in this thread. Your stream is helpful, clean, funny and knowledgeable. If you guys are joining for drama, there is no drama for orb knows best, so will you kids shut the fuck up about random bullshit?
LOL! His stream is clean funny and knowledgeable? All he does is lose and rage about everything being imbalanced everyone being bads whenever he loses. Its really pathetic, he even complains in PvPs.
Here is the rep. TvZ, Im terran and I opened with fast tech to air, and going thors later to deal with his mutas. In the end I lost as mutas just contaned me in my base and once he got broodlords with hydra support it was gg.
Now I'm curious, was there something that I could have done (with this opening) that could have won me this game without me requiring to outplay my opponent heavily.
On April 18 2010 05:10 StorrZerg wrote: Sigh I'm sorry orb your having to deal with idiots in this thread. Your stream is helpful, clean, funny and knowledgeable. If you guys are joining for drama, there is no drama for orb knows best, so will you kids shut the fuck up about random bullshit?
LOL! His stream is clean funny and knowledgeable? All he does is lose and rage about everything being imbalanced everyone being bads whenever he loses. Its really pathetic, he even complains in PvPs.
Learn to read. He said there's no drama in ORB KNOWS BEST. Which there isn't, orb keeps it professional.
Personally I think you should do some platinum level replays.
As a platinum player...I find most of advice you give during the replays is not relevant to me. The things you say during your streams of normal games are more useful.
Although I guess it's a question of your target audience...maybe you just want to help out copper-silver players??
Both of us are shitty plat players. I think I lost because I played too passively, and did not scout late game. Also Zerg are Imba. Any help you could give on this match up would be really appreciated.
Orb, this is a PvZ on Desert Oasis where the zerg uses mutalisks that I hold off and I know that at one point in the middle I actually kill his gold expansion and I THINK that put me in the lead, but I still lost and would like to know why. Theres a lot of action and I'm curious to know what I could have done to win since I know at least once that I was in a position where I could have. Thanks,
hey here is a ZvT match if your interested in reviewing a match without toss. Its pretty much a medium level plat game. Pretty macroish and decently long (20 minutes) im the zerg player btw. It would probably be a good game to review micro and game sense. Some good battles etc. Heres the rep..
This is a replay of me playing ZvT, my opponent went for early hellions into thor/marauders. After i played the game i just couldn't think of what i should have done. It seems that many people have problem versus this build, so it would be great if you could view it and tell me what you think is the right way to counter it. This is actually me playing in the bronze league, but thats because battlenet is so buggy atm, i'd say that this game could well happen in high gold/mid platinum.
Also this is, after stalking here for around half a year, my first post so it would be golden if you chose my replay as a congratulations for joining the forum Thanks, and wish you luck with the show.
edit: since you explain micro very well i'd like you to focus on my micro/army position since that is what i feel i'm lacking knowledge of. Thx again.
Too many haters. The best part of the stream is the mumblings in game about what you're thinking. As a pretty low level player these kind of insights don't come instantly to me like they seem to to you. Watching you play and hearing the thoughts go through your head is helpful. In generally your stream is really helpful, but this mostly. Don't quell the in game rage man, it's cool. haha
Hey orb, this one was really tricky for me, PvP match (me gold opponent platinum). Did my normal PvP build but the opponent was tricky, could I have won if i attacked when I saw his 3 phoenix? or did our positions benefit his build? Is the only way to win in pvp is to mirror the opponent and get more tech units that he does?
I live in europe so I cant see the stream live, if someone could link the episode where he discusses this, or if I could get some written feedback.
edit (I know I missed his expansion but he still would had gotten the carriers)
Replay : http://www.mediafire.com/?d0hh3nzy0hd PvZ game, me being the toss player. I was wondering what could i have done to improve my game. I have seen the replay a few times now but still can't figure out what went wrong, was it that I transitioned to Collosi when i saw him going roach hydra, was it the late templars, was it wrong army composition too many zealots, or was a lack of game sense. Would it have been better if i wen't DT harass when i saw him taking 3rd? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance!
This is a TvP match, 40 minutes long, T wins. I know you are primarily a Protoss user which means you could help improve my game play. I believe this game to be a exciting game between two no names. a failed cannon rush transitioned into rays but still GG for the Protoss player. Even thou the Terran player won, His game play was Lacking as well. Both Terran and Protoss players could learn from this match. I'll be watching tonight. I hope you will use this replay because I am excited to share this with you and hear your opinion.
I love this now that I discovered it. The one thing livestreams beat replays with is seeing the mouse movements.
Man Orb these last games are really questionable. First that guy 9 gates in his base LOL... then next game the zerglings somehow perfectly sneak away even though he (supposedly) has no vision.... odd, odd stuff from your opponents.
Hey Orb, Big fan here. Well yea heres a replay of me playing a PvZ i did lose, im in silver rank. Any pointed would rlly be great thanks! http://www.mediafire.com/?2mhy2wiljwz
Hey Orb, check out my void rush on desert oasis, havent lost with it yet. What do you think?
It involves a main front complete wall off that looks like a standard build to scouts, but for some reason I never have had someone discover my starport and they just get raped lol
I seriously don't know what to do vs a terran player. I'm protoss and i'll build up a mixture of gateway units and immortals and get completely obliterated. Not sure what to do here. Stalkers are owned by mauraders, zealots are kited by them, sentries rarely have enough energy (thanks to ghosts) to block maurader packs from kiting you.
Seriously need your help orb. What am I doing wrong?
This is a PvZ on lost temple,i am the Protoss my push fails and i lost to his counter push what should i have done to be able to hold off his push? and my macro is pretty bad i am trying to work on that if you have any tips that will help me with my macro game a bit that would be cool as well.
Dear Orb, I really enjoy watching Your stream and learning how NOT TO play against Protoss (Zerg here). I have an idea: why not to collect replays containing BAD players (Protoss of course) and show what he should do,what he shouldn't? I play ladder (doing placement matches again) and I played only two,but I played versus really BAD Protoss (not scouting with observer etc)
TL;DR Maybe cast some really bad Protoss to show how* not to play?
http://www.mediafire.com/?2ni0ndz1nwm Z vs P 12 minutes: having trouble dealing with early protoss pushes while FE'ing. Would be great if you could give me some pointers Orb, nice and short replay too so you can fit in others.
On April 20 2010 03:46 Kurumi wrote: Dear Orb, I really enjoy watching Your stream and learning how NOT TO play against Protoss (Zerg here). I have an idea: why not to collect replays containing BAD players (Protoss of course) and show what he should do,what he shouldn't? I play ladder (doing placement matches again) and I played only two,but I played versus really BAD Protoss (not scouting with observer etc)
TL;DR Maybe cast some really bad Protoss to show how* not to play?
Uh... have you actually watched his show yet? This is exactly what he does do Unless I'm misreading your request.
thanks for taking the time to look at my terrible play you opened my eyes to some stuff that i did not even think of, and gave me some good ideas of how to work on things to improve my game play.
I have a question about this show. If I posted a replay on page 14 and you're reviewing a replay that's on page 14+. Does that mean my replay didn't make it? I'm not saying I think you should absolutely do it. You proboly have some reason for not doing it. Just making sure.
This is my old post.
On April 17 2010 12:54 Ladde wrote: Hi Orb.
My nickname is Ladde and I'm from Sweden. I am a fairly new player to Sc2. I never played Sc1 much, just UMS and some BGH maps. I played some Wc3 and was quite descent on it.
Now I'm playing Sc2 as much as I can. I play Protoss, on the EU servers, and I goes quite well. I am in silver league and my opponent is in gold I believe. I've been looking on your stream and tried to copying as much as I can, and then evolve around it.
I have problems with PvT. Especially on this map, and I think alot of players have that to. The map is Kulas Ravine and as Terrans have a really easy to defend on this map. Small choke at the entrance and then a natural on higherground with siege tanks.
The game ends as I get banshee attacked, and while I try to attack his position. The tanks are just to good placed. I try to destroy the stones to his natural, but still tanks on highground is hard to get to. He also puts up alot of turrets as it keeps me from scouting. I could have got some more cannons but his numer of Banshees really tears them apart.
I am just clueless what to do. I can't do a frontal assult since I get killed from the tanks. An I can'r really do an air attack either. And out macro him seems hard since I am pretty weak in late-game againts Terrans.
Would like to hear what to do in this position. As I think alot of people have the same issue.
My method for selecting replays is unfortunately a bit unfair. I generally take the time to download all replays in the thread and then I look through a couple. Usually the ones I pick are in the first couple I look at, so I end up not even looking at the others. Unfortunately this means many peoples' replays simply do not yet get looked at.
It's possible your replay was not what I wanted for some reason (too long, too short, etc), but more likely is that I simply have not checked it yet.
The comments are interesting, but it's very hard to watch the stream more than 10 minutes, just because you're adding "f*uck*ng" in front of every single word, and it gets really boring.
No actually I stopped streaming AS MUCH (I still stream games almost every single day... just not like 10 hours a day like I used to) because I'm failing school
Thanks orb for another good show. I like your analysis on some accounts, obviously not everyone will agree on everything but you are definitely doing the community good. I love that you answer like 80-90% of (non troll) questions asked, really helps us out instead of having to gamble and be one out of 25 people who ask a question on Day's show.
On April 20 2010 13:56 -orb- wrote: No actually I stopped streaming AS MUCH (I still stream games almost every single day... just not like 10 hours a day like I used to) because I'm failing school
Hey Orb, been watching your stream a lot. I have a replay I'd like you to look at, it's a few days old and I've looked it over for mistakes so I can pinpoint some myself but it's best to have another, professional, opinion. It's Z (me) v P on Kulas Ravine, 19ish minutes. He went double gateway push, I defended then I just slowly got worked down (I think). I'm primarily a Z player but I play random quite often as well (P is my worst). I'm top 10 Silver in 1v1 and 2v2 random, hoping to get to platinum by the time Sc2 launches.
On April 20 2010 13:56 -orb- wrote: No actually I stopped streaming AS MUCH (I still stream games almost every single day... just not like 10 hours a day like I used to) because I'm failing school
I really enjoy your stream and show, but do what you have to do. School should definitely come first.
It would be good if you could do some higher level ones, and note whether the game is lowplat, midplat or highplat (or higher) Atm i can see most of the replays it is just basic BO mistakes that are losing people the game
On April 20 2010 13:43 NewbiZ wrote: The comments are interesting, but it's very hard to watch the stream more than 10 minutes, just because you're adding "f*uck*ng" in front of every single word, and it gets really boring.
That's when he's just playing, but not orb Knows Best. People seem to have problems seeing the difference between orb Knows Best and orb just streaming his game..
I'm a copper player, my profile reset and this is against a much higher player so its very one sided.
Protoss V Terran. 14 mins.
Here's what i most likely need help with from looking at this.
-Macro, mostly my build order i think.. It seems really slow. -Micro, i had less units in the main battle but im sure my micro was horrible. -Tactic switches. As u can see in the replay, i see the opponents units quite quickly.. but i didn't really switch to a new unit, i chose collosus but its a bad choice i guess.
Funny how everyone who posts a replay are really new to the scene and therefore fail to realize that orb isnt really someone you should be asking advice from. Unless you're really really new to the scene. Anyway props for taking the time to do this, the show is really entertaining and hilarious at times even if there's not really any top tier gaming
On April 20 2010 13:56 -orb- wrote: No actually I stopped streaming AS MUCH (I still stream games almost every single day... just not like 10 hours a day like I used to) because I'm failing school
Never gonna beat idra in HDH with that dedication,
on another note yes the show is pretty boring to seasoned players and yes i think most educated players wouldn't call orb top top tier, more like aspiring top tier, but the show does provide good insight into what a mid-top tier player thinks about when he comes up against different situations. Though this doesn't help alot of people (probably anyone who regularly visits TL) but it does help the newbies who just found TL and helps the lurkers who come here occasionally but are still a copper/bronze player.
All in all i think the more verbal part of the community will dislike the show, but if you are the player who comes on to the forums every now and then to read about sc2 but doesn't go much further it could be helpful to you.
A suggestion I would give to keep the show as in depth as possible, stick to protoss replays, i mean you arn't day9, you don't seem to have the in-depth understanding of terran and zerg to give strong suggestions. In an episode i watched you reviewing a zerg replay you constantly started a comment with "i don't play zerg, so this may be wrong". That hurts credibility, stick to what you know. I realize this will alienate a lot of the audience (zerg and terrans) but I think doing that and preserving the quality is an easy decision.
i really enjoy the show especially the rage lol. Overall i think ur very good protoss player and some ppl sayin that ur not top tier is not true. Playing for like 10 hours straight while streaming is very hard couse nobody can be focused all the time. Protoss noob-average player here ^^ and ex cs 1.6 pro player
I think it may be better to stick to some protoss specific comments regarding units and build orders and stay on general principles for zerg (i.e flanking / positionning, scouting, transition, macro and resource management....).
I watched one of the show which was a review of a zerg replay and it was a bit painful to hear you say (like 10 times) that building zerglings is much better than roaches against stalkers in a situation where the stalkers is doing some hit & run tactics on an undefended base. The real advice is to regroup your new production into one blob and then push the attacking force. This can be done both by roaches and zerglings. Zerglings "beat" stalkers if you have a good number of them, otherwise they do shit, unlike roaches which can still do some focus fire damage even with just a bunch of them and which can be microed back if focused...
On April 22 2010 02:06 Leon-bw wrote: I think it may be better to stick to some protoss specific comments regarding units and build orders and stay on general principles for zerg (i.e flanking / positionning, scouting, transition, macro and resource management....).
I watched one of the show which was a review of a zerg replay and it was a bit painful to hear you say (like 10 times) that building zerglings is much better than roaches against stalkers in a situation where the stalkers is doing some hit & run tactics on an undefended base. The real advice is to regroup your new production into one blob and then push the attacking force. This can be done both by roaches and zerglings. Zerglings "beat" stalkers if you have a good number of them, otherwise they do shit, unlike roaches which can still do some focus fire damage even with just a bunch of them and which can be microed back if focused...
I was just speaking from experience as a protoss player. If I have stalkers vs roaches (esp if I have blink) the roaches are going to be toast, whereas if you have mass speedlings and I have stalkers I'll lose even with blink.
If you are going to keep this show going and btw i hope u do, i like what you are doing, you HAVE to name ur shows correctly >.< theres over a hundred recordings and no one can tell which is a show and which is just a stream. please name them in the future.
On April 22 2010 09:16 EuroBlast wrote: If you are going to keep this show going and btw i hope u do, i like what you are doing, you HAVE to name ur shows correctly >.< theres over a hundred recordings and no one can tell which is a show and which is just a stream. please name them in the future.
Yeah buddy, livestream studio is such a pain to work with and label. Plus it lags computers like crazy. Orb set up a spoiler with detailed information and links to each episode.
Which I must say are pretty entertaining and informational so far.
I feel like I did everything well up until about 21 mins into the game. It's 29 mins long, but I feel like you can skim through some of it. I just want to know how to handle an on coming tier 1-3 smaller attack towards the later stages of the game. In the replay you can tell I start to panic once he starts moving his army which basically screwed me lol. I feel like explaining how to handle something like that will not only help me but newer players in the beta. Thanks Orb. I'm playing Zerg by the way.
Hi Orb, I really enjoy watching your show, thanks for the hard work and helping newbies, that's really interesting. I was wonderind what settings are you using with your procaster ? Because the quality is really nice. I've tried tons of different settings, yet I can't reach your quality. That would be nice if you help me out. Thanks, and see you on your next show !
dude wtf is up with blizzard just crapping on protoss, we are weak as hell as it is and we just got a 15 second build nerf on our only decent unit... wonderful.
All toss players need to join up and post like crazy on the bnet forums... so frustrating.
edit... oh yeah and a nice little boost to marauders. -Concussive Shells research cost decreased from 100/100 80 seconds to 50/50 60 seconds. What the hell is the balance of this game coming to. Every toss player is going to just get run over by early marauder armys.
hi orb just wanted to say thanks for these videos. for what its worth while obviously day[9]'s stuff is great, its very high level and so while its always interesting to watch and think about, its not necessarily especially useful or practical to more average players. obviously a lot of people active here are highly skilled but there are a lot of newcomers and "casual" types around as well and i think its really good to have material like your videos available.
nice, see you there orb, btw dont rage too much when they zerling rush u :p, or when a bunch of stimmed marauders kill ur entire army when you have the macro advantage, im sure theyll fix those things b4 the full game comes out
Wasn't watching the stream, but despite the crash, did you get enough of a show to make a VOD? I usually end up watching those anyway, so wondering if there will be one for tonight's ep.
On April 24 2010 10:37 bloodynose wrote: Wasn't watching the stream, but despite the crash, did you get enough of a show to make a VOD? I usually end up watching those anyway, so wondering if there will be one for tonight's ep.
Yes I have now updated the newest episode into the OP.
Love the show Orb and your normal game streaming as well. I recently got into the beta and watching you has persuaded me to play Protoss. Keep up the good work.
Haven't watched all the shows, but these which I've seen seem to focus on Protoss and Zerg mostly. I'm sure all the terran (ez mode race ) players would love to hear your advice!
The game I posted is a TvP on Kulas Ravine (I am the Terran). I go bio ball, he goes immortal/storm.
Hello orb. I know you've already analyzed one of my replays. (PvT where I was macroing terribly and I think i even was setup badly and took a very rough emp) Well after patch 10 i was placed into gold where i'm sort of holding my own around 50% win rate and still needing some help.
My new build vs terran is sort in the works and I would love some input / feedback from you on this one. My general goals in the build are:
Early Game Setup in front of my natural if its reasonable to do so Get some initial units but focus on teching to DT's. Basic build gate -> core -> twilight council -> gate -> dark shrine -> robo The idea is to have a smallish mixed force when I push. 1 immortal, 1-2 sentry, 1-2 stalkers, 2 dts and as many zealots as i can fit in by keeping minerals low. The dts when mixed in with a bunch of zealots tend to hide the hits the dts are doing and it hopefully mask that tech.
Mid Game Right as I push I want to throw up an expansion and drop probably 3-4 more warp gates while adding on HT tech. Also a forge for upgrades to help keep money low. If I notice a bit of mech I may also research blink and go towards a higher percentage of stalkers to help with banshees, siege tanks etc. In general I've heard blink stalkers work well vs mech. Since I proxy my Templar tech away from my main to avoid early detection I think somewhere in the midgame is when I should be throwing down my 3rd, supporting my proxied tech.
Late Game Here I figure is where I add in some collossi once i have some additional bases up. I figure it should be reasonable to put this off a tad since I move towards HT & psi storm to help with the mass bio.
Before you dive in to take a look I want to point out a few things I noticed. Initially my probe production wasn't the best (at one point we were tied on workers around the 15-16 worker count which is pretty bad as protoss) but i picked it up. At one point I was floating around 1200 minerals but it was right as I was fending of a semi big attack. I realize now I should have dropped mroe gateways as I saw the units coming in but for what its worth I use up the cash asap after fending off the attack. Also both me and my opponent expand, him a tad faster than I, and he is floating like 2000-3000 minerals for a long time yet his army's are constantly crushing mine.
Relating to my goals; in the early game I was able to tech sufficiently but I probably should have gotten a few more zealots for my army a bit faster, somehow, mid-game i was never able to execute my push because of massive pressure from my opponent.
Hope this replay / build shows some improvement on my macro as well as an opportunity for you to wax philosophical on protoss strategy in general for the show. Personally i would really appreciate an analysis of the concept of my build, dt micro both anything i did particularly correct or incorrect, what sort of production you think would work out for the 1st base & what would be best to add on after the expo, tips on using high templar (i know they can be devastating in the right hands so I'm trying to learn them).
I'm a Zerg player. Whenever I Zealot rush and FE to the gold fields, I'm finding that my Marines can't back me up enough before my opponent masses motherships in the early/mid game.
On April 23 2010 05:10 Electrohau5 wrote: dude wtf is up with blizzard just crapping on protoss, we are weak as hell as it is and we just got a 15 second build nerf on our only decent unit... wonderful.
All toss players need to join up and post like crazy on the bnet forums... so frustrating.
edit... oh yeah and a nice little boost to marauders. -Concussive Shells research cost decreased from 100/100 80 seconds to 50/50 60 seconds. What the hell is the balance of this game coming to. Every toss player is going to just get run over by early marauder armys.
I'd definitely like if Orb did some commentary on the new PvT, I've literally lost every PvT since the reset and won all other match-ups. I feel almost like just quitting in the beginning because I have no idea what to do, I am sure there is a way to beat even the current terran though, I don't think it can be that imbalanced.
On April 25 2010 02:52 stockton wrote: It's great that you are doing this stuff and that you stream when you play.
BUT....
you should probably avoid calling your viewers "fucking retarded" if you want them to stick around.
just a heads up. (personally i don't care, but you can see how this would be a turn off to your viewers)
You realize this has nothing to do with the show or this thread, right? Might want to post it on his stream comments section if you are concerned with being relevant.
On April 25 2010 02:52 stockton wrote: It's great that you are doing this stuff and that you stream when you play.
BUT....
you should probably avoid calling your viewers "fucking retarded" if you want them to stick around.
just a heads up. (personally i don't care, but you can see how this would be a turn off to your viewers)
You realize this has nothing to do with the show or this thread, right? Might want to post it on his stream comments section if you are concerned with being relevant.
the stream "on demands" are in the same place as his show "on demands". if that's not relevant enough, then I'm sorry.
On April 25 2010 02:52 stockton wrote: It's great that you are doing this stuff and that you stream when you play.
BUT....
you should probably avoid calling your viewers "fucking retarded" if you want them to stick around.
just a heads up. (personally i don't care, but you can see how this would be a turn off to your viewers)
You realize this has nothing to do with the show or this thread, right? Might want to post it on his stream comments section if you are concerned with being relevant.
the stream "on demands" are in the same place as his show "on demands". if that's not relevant enough, then I'm sorry.
This thread is specifically about the show...comment on the show or post elsewhere. Where the vods are located couldn't matter less.
I'm the terran in this match and up I was ahead the whole game. I do know some of my flaws, but I need to know when I should and should not push. I lost this game because of that and my scouting. There may also be more to this because I am making a come back as I have not played an rts since starcraft came out and I played that until 2003. Any help is appreciated and good luck. Congrats on 1750 people on stream. Now you just need 250 more and you will have as much if not more then Day[9] has on a regular basis.
The replay is 14:25 long. I thought I played pretty well, I scouted the banshees coming and built accordingly and still lost. I would love an analysis of this game to see exactly where I went wrong. I believe my timings may have been off a little? Not sure. Thanks, love the show btw.
Relatively short replay of a match that was fairly dead even until his counter push which demolished me. I think my forcefields could have been a lot better, and that ultimately was the game breaker as his army was slightly larger. Look forward to your show.
PvP on Lost Temple where I wanted to do stalkers with blink but lose to immortals and a gateway army. I feel like I did not perform that well and think you'd be able to shed some light on better ways to play with either this build or instead of this build.
Also some help on mirror matchups in general and how to approach them would help.
I still feel that the games you are casting a very low level with a ton of basic build order and mechanical mistakes. Its like, out of a 60 minute show, i have to wade through 55 minutes of barebone basics to get 1 minute of real gem info
It would be nice to see you cast some higher level games
On April 26 2010 10:13 Kahnqueror wrote: Where are you, Orb =(
Sorry, I apologize dearly. I haven't been able to do the show these past couple of days (and can't do it tomorrow either) due to conflicts and where I feel bad is that i forgot to update the thread saying there'd be no show.
PvP on Steppes of War, Silver League. I think I should have expanded when I saw that he was turtling and I probably should have done better scouting, but I would like to see what you think I should have done. Replay: http://www.mediafire.com/?nmxmtatkwzm
On April 26 2010 10:13 Kahnqueror wrote: Where are you, Orb =(
Sorry, I apologize dearly. I haven't been able to do the show these past couple of days (and can't do it tomorrow either) due to conflicts and where I feel bad is that i forgot to update the thread saying there'd be no show.
Again, sorry for this
Aww, it's okay. It's probably a busy end-of-the-semester for you too, right? I hear ya.
Looking forward to whenever you can do your show next!
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On April 27 2010 00:13 bull0563 wrote: Unfortunately, orbTL has been temporarily locked. All of orbTL's videos will remain hidden until we can resolve the issue. In the mean time, you may enjoy some of these related channels... ?
Hopefully it doesn't have to do with the 10 minutes of Zombieland he streamed.
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On April 26 2010 10:13 Kahnqueror wrote: Where are you, Orb =(
Sorry, I apologize dearly. I haven't been able to do the show these past couple of days (and can't do it tomorrow either) due to conflicts and where I feel bad is that i forgot to update the thread saying there'd be no show.
Again, sorry for this
Thanks for all the effort you put into these, I am looking forward to the next show.
PvT on Lost Temple, I think my problem was spending too much on tech/econ and not enough on units. I've been worried about reaper harass since marauders shells took a hit and have been focusing on getting that early stalker out. I think that kinda of thought mentality was what got me and in the end I wasn't able to make a proper army.
I think I could have used my observers a bit better.
Went 10 gate into fast expand. Scouted that he had no expansion so i pulled back zealots, throwed up forge and got my expansion earlier than his. got him to waste some larvae on lings Get early hallu to scout and saw his expo and roach warren and infestors...
My econ was definately ahead of his due to my expansion going much earlier than his with better saturation also.
So i engage when i get my first couple of colossi out, ahead in supply (and upgrades) and.. lose really badly. His infestors didnt get my colossi either
Eventually i muster up a second force but i get trashed again.
Though after seeing the first battle, even if i had waited longer for my army to grow in size, i didn't want to let his third kick in.
Was my unit comp just bad? Also ofc i am extremely vulnerable to good techswitch transition but this guy probably wasnt good enough to do it.
Given my scout info that i got from my phoenix, how should i have approached the game differently? I definately had a significant advantage from the start but i think i didn't know what to do to capitalise on it
im more of a silver player. In this game i actually won, but i feel like i couldve done 20x better than how i did. i know for a fact if you watched it you would point a million and one things out. I recently switched from terran to toss cause terran gets boring fast. PLEASE WATCH and give me a hand!
On April 27 2010 16:38 -orb- wrote: Heh, day9 is switching to ustream, you guys are, I am as well due to my livestream account being locked
Seems like everyone's making the switch!
IMO ustream should give big thanks to glhf.tv because I'm guessing most of the switchers are doing it partially due to the success and stability ghlf.tv seems to have with them
This replay is a doozy. First off i'm now 50 ish Gold and this game is vs a guy who was ranked 13th in platinum at the time. I felt like overall I played fairly well. Initially I thought I lost but I held on and almost had a victory. There are a couple spots where I think I either had bad luck or made a bad decision and I'd like to see if you can point that out to me. All in all I learned the value of zealot charge vs M&M balls this game. Hope you choose me . P.S. I have another good game posted earlier you could do both and show any improvement between them (about 20-30 games between the two replays)
I apologize, I went to the store today to get one of the cables I needed but now cannot find the splitter I was sure I had and thus I will probably have to go buy another one to get the sound working properly.
Orb I have to say I've watched your stream a couple of times for the rage entainement factor. But I saw the commentary you did on the Zotac(?) tournament and I was pleasantly surprise. You were really insightful and fluent. You should do more commentaries.
I got proxy gatewayed on Scrap Station, but I turned it around by floating to the middle base and banshee/viking'ing. Never the less, I think I did really sloppy in this match, mainly because I couldn't fend off the proxy gateway, but for many other reasons as well.
It was a random V random that turned into a TvT. I lost the game. I could've seiged earlier on my early drop, controlled my ghost better, and should've contained him like he did to me. It was mostly back and forth game but I made a critical mistake in the end: I had a good number of vikings and he had a decent force of BCs. I should've utilized the range of the vikings and do the hit and run micro instead of just A-moving them into the BCs. I also could've used some raven point defense drone but not sure if they work against BCs.
Also, why is it that everytime I click on the OP's stream links, it tells me stream is locked?
Its a TvZ I'm playing T, mid-plat level game. Hellion harass vs baneling bust went into mid game where I failed at banshee harass. Muta's fended off with thor but then I get rolled by mass lings. Just wondering what other tech trees I could have pursued to turn the game to keep the game in my favour.
Yo orb, any chance you could post the replay of you and shiver ZZ in that 2v2 where he went pretty much 200/200 queens. Everyones interested about it when I brought it up in a chat, I wanted to see if you or osmeone could examine it. I know its not a perfect strat but the idea that you can instantly heal any queen thats getting attacked made me wonder...
Hello im really new at sc2 and I did a match today of me playing t vs p and I lost. I would like you to help me understand what I did wrong and how to get improved. http://www.mediafire.com/?zd4tbuzuon2 Hope I upload this right. Have a nice day
I'm sorry guys, I'm moving home so I'm going to have to pack everything up and set it up again at home, so there may be no orb knows best for the next couple of days.
UStream has been seriously acting up anyways with tons of lag and such so hopefully some of that will be sorted out by then.
hahaha good, i hope so. i know how he kept saying hes epic failing his classes because of SC2, just hope that he didn't end up failing out of school because of it.
On May 01 2010 07:25 Spell_Crafted wrote: Day[9] and Orb dailies withdraws are very very bad. Arg!
Ya seriously I am having hardcore Orb withdrawals. I check everyday hoping he is finally going to start it again. Guess I have to wait til May 5th now.
On May 01 2010 19:40 nightshade85 wrote: Nice initiative Orb. Looking forward to your videos! =) If we send you some IdrA vids, can you teach him to be less BM and learn to gg?
On May 01 2010 19:40 nightshade85 wrote: Nice initiative Orb. Looking forward to your videos! =) If we send you some IdrA vids, can you teach him to be less BM and learn to gg?
So I clicked on one of the vids of your OP, and I got this:
Unfortunately, orbtl has been temporarily locked. All of orbtl's videos will remain hidden until we can resolve the issue. In the mean time, you may enjoy some of these related channels...
Also, yes, he's been temp banned from TL, I believe because he was arguing with IdrA in the HDH thread (I could be wrong), but IdrA also was banned, lol. A Nuke icon means perm banned, padlock means temp banned.
On May 04 2010 07:23 DoubleU wrote: All these streamer should be more careful about the material(mostly music) they decide to use for theirs stream. Cuz I don't want them to go away T_T.
Lol, they would just make new accounts if they somehow got perm banned, no worries.
I play random but I need work on my protoss game. This game was maybe my 8th game with my friend and we were placed in gold. This match they were heavily favored (they were both sub 20 plat).
I dont think my build order was solid enough, and my building placement is usually that bad. My partner lagged throughout whole game and most micro was done by me (shared control). I randomly started pumping out immortals because I had no idea what to do - what should I have done? What about my friend?
Hey orb I need major help againts this "seemingly" over powered timing push from Terran 2x TechLab 1Gas Marauder Push. I actually played this guy twice and he used the same strategy on me and it worked.
I scouted with my probe 1 gas and 1 fast tech lab = possibility of a reaper. So I then quickly got 2 stalkers out and put em by my mineral line. From there I made zealots because I expect a far amount of marauders from that early teech lab. I got my Robo Bay ASAP and observer before immortal of course. IF you look on the units he already out #ed me in units. How am I suppose to counter this? Sure I can skip the robo and go for zealot heavy but what good will that do? Zealots withou charge = useless againts marauders. He already has concussive. AND if I dont get robo bay I wil be playing in the dark. I can use a probe to scout but what good will that do. I may see a techlab, a few maraudres but that could mean abosltuely anything. It can be a techlab + 2x reactor or a tech lab + factory. It can be so many different things...
There is absolutely not enough time for me to research charge. I believe my opening was pretty efficient in mineral consumption. Had i gone for a fast twilight I would have 0 units to defend when he attacked.
He then gives me all these weird tips like - stalkers................ yeah marauders are direct counter to stalkers.. - dont tech up ............... I got a a robo bay against a fast gas tech lab marauder terran = bad idea? whats a good idea then? - better micro..... okay like I can out micro marauders with zealots huh - his tip of running at him when he shoots and running away when he backs off.. that is just dumb.. he will get just continue that and get free shots until I die because I will never hit him while he can keep hitting me.
And keep in mind even if he didn't strike me at once and gave me enough time to get charge, he would then probably have stim pack. So in the end he will always hold the upper hand? What in the heck am I suppose to do to counter this?
He tells me later in chat to keep my probe alive.. im not some crazy starcraft tournament player.. I can't keep a probe alive in a terrans base, 1 marine or 1 marauder will end me quickly. Even a SCV chasing me will end the probe. Even had I scouted this with the probe the only different would be me skipping the 2 stalkers and skipping observer. I would have a few more zealots STILL without charge and still 1 immortal. Meaning he can still micro his way to win.
This is a PvP Me vs RedSnow on Incineration zone. The game is 22:22 long. I feel as though there is a few things that I am missing that are making me lose the game. I would love to hear your feedback about what mistakes I made and what I could have improved upon.
30 minute game I believe that I lost due to not knowing what to do late game. Help would be appreciated very much. It was a close game with me at the advantage most of the time, but his constant harassment and me not expanding I believe lead to my loss. There are more variables I'm sure, but otherwise it was a great game.
What did I do wrong with initial pushwith voids? If initial push fails (like it did in this case), what are the best ways to transition out of that and defend his push that is most likely going to come.
Currently rank 7 Gold as long as people don't get more points then me, or if i get more points in the nearby future. I am the protoss. After watching the replay myself, i saw some of my mistakes, but i don't think i saw it all. Considering i lost even having the upgrade advantage, the economy advantage.
Orb, why do you comment Desert Oasis games so much?
Given how much you seem to hate the map, and how much different it is than the other maps, wouldn't it make sense for this map to have a smaller amount of time devoted to it?
When I first started people assumed the show would be awful too (just look through the thread lol). All I can say is give it a chance and if you don't like it, don't watch.
Haters can say what you will but I'll bet you all registered on teamliquid after orb stopped doing this show.
Orb analyzes lower level replays, he's not analyzing grubby vs sarens or something or ret vs morrow, he's doing it to help you guys so just watch it before commenting.
Here is a PvP done on metal with 2 blink stalker openings. Its fairly wrong, and I'm a little confused on how I lost. I don't think my macro slipped too bad compared to my income, so perhaps my composition is off a bit. Either way, its an entertaining game to watch, and done on a previous patch.
hi, this replay was from tl open (last eu one) on Scrap Station vs a raven all in build and i dont know how to hold it off properly after scouting it (2 gas + no expo) /* opponent is way out of my league (3700+ master terran vs 3k diamond toss) http://www.mediafire.com/?1gpirl2zegsg3ka
Keype here u did one of these for me in the beta which helped alot:D I was copper at that time now I am 2900master how ever here is a replay of me trying 3 gate phoenix which I have tried around with after I met ZeeRax in the tl open as did that. http://www.mediafire.com/?tv9a6bwl8511k1u here is the link its a PvP on shakuras close air positions. Would share like a tip how I can improve the build etc, or the strat and how I should use the phoenix against his composition Thanks!
Hey Orb I heard you cast games for the first time 2 weeks ago during the TL Open. I really enjoyed your castings and would like to see some more. When do you stream this show or other games? Sorry if it says somewhere on the thread, but I couldn't find an exact time when I looked.
I'm starting to ladder again. Here is one of my recent replays where I lost. This was probably my 2nd or 3rd game since I started laddering after like... several months off.
It's PvT on backwater gulch. cross positions. not a long game >.<
Loss vs. Mass mutas on xel' naga. I mine more minerals, spend more minerals, and still cannot cope with his mutas which do very little economic damage. Following a failed counter attack by me he makes a switch to mass hydralisks. I am a platnum Protoss and he is a diamond Zerg.
Here's a PvP loss.I was trying to go archons and zealots with a some stalkers mixed in. Opponent expanded before me and had cannons helping protect it. He started off with a basic ground army and went to void rays. Then tech switched to colossi when he saw me just going ground.
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