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On April 08 2010 04:15 ggrrg wrote:They changed the units I wanted to see changed but not I am still not sure if this is the best way to do it. marauders won't be such a pain in the ass in early game now, but the patch changed nothing about them being massed in mid/late game  i am interested to see how the mech changes affect the game. roach change pretty good actually. but the hydra nerf!? were they that strong. it feels like they will be crushed pretty fast now. dunno why they changed the void ray. i guess the change is not bad though.
With the mech buff i'm pretty sure we won't see only marauder army now. Army composition will be more interesting. And with the change of the VR terran will be force to get AA with his marauder
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I'll just say to all my ZERG players it's time to do the impossible!!! Zerg will rise again!!!
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Has anyone calculated damage output done to zerg based on the new roach and hydra nerfs?
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Im wondering what the animation will look like. Will it just go from 1 to 3 beams? LAME!
As Chief Teamliquid Aesthetic Director I oppose this change!
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On April 08 2010 04:15 CandleJack wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2010 04:12 3FFA wrote:On April 08 2010 04:09 CandleJack wrote:
Am i correct in assuming that Terran will have to expand more to be viable? It seems that by decreasing mech build times without decreasing the cost they're trying to push Terran to be more aggressive about taking extra bases (to afford a bigger army), rather than just take your natural -> turtle to 200 food -> attack. Blizzard wanted to stop turtling! Why do u think they weakened the tank? Stop thinking of BW SCII IS A DIFFERENT GAME! U hear me? A different game! So you're agreeing with me? Great. I didn't say it was bad, in fact I think it's a good thing. I didn't play any competitive BW so I don't really know what you're yelling about.
O ya I am I just read ur post wrong. I though u meant that u wanted them to make it so that u take ur nat-> slow push to 3rd-> huge 120-200 pop push-> win/ mothership recall make a huge fight for who can kill who first. SC:BW's TvP was quite repetitive. I hope it isn't recreated.
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On April 08 2010 04:11 Marradron wrote:How are you going to mech against baneligns ? helions get raped by them, Thors most likely too, and tanks might take a few out before they fall.
Pretty sure 10 hellions with pre-igniter upgrade can splash rape dozens of banelings per shot... although very few zergs have even tried making banelings when I mech.
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very incomplete patch.
nerfs to roach/marauder which is fine but no change to the immortal makes the changes a bad thing.
nerfs to zerg including the totally uncalled for hydra nerf. hydras were more then fine. roaches are the problem. im so glad i switched to terran a week ago.
tanks still cost millions of gas, immortals still counter half of the units in the game and sentries still are the most op unit in the game. no spellcaster that is dirt cheap and requires no tech should do decent dmg at range AND have 2 of the best spells in the game.
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On April 08 2010 04:11 Marradron wrote:How are you going to mech against baneligns ? helions get raped by them, Thors most likely too, and tanks might take a few out before they fall.
What ?
Banelings or not cost effective vs mech, it's almost not cost effective vs hellion so i dont know what you'Re talking about with the thor.... rofl
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fail fail fail! When are they going to add in the lurker??????????????!?!?!?!
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Great patch. Everything made sense, for once. A lot of work to be done still, but this is a very big step. Hopefully the big content patch (3v3's, more maps, improved bnet, etc) won't take too long
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On April 08 2010 04:23 FrozenArbiter wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2010 04:11 Marradron wrote:On April 08 2010 04:09 ohN wrote:
MECH TVZ HERE I COME :D How are you going to mech against baneligns ? helions get raped by them, Thors most likely too, and tanks might take a few out before they fall. Pretty sure 10 hellions with pre-igniter upgrade can splash rape dozens of banelings per shot... although very few zergs have even tried making banelings when I mech.
the only way ull get ur attack off on the baneling is if ur far away. but then u dont have any splash (talking about speed baneling thats not idle by some 50apm zerg)
my point is nobody cares if u have 50 or 10 hellion, if u wanna kill many banelings on the initial attack u will die urself.
during the cast time hellion has the baneling will move towards u and once u attack it will be close enough to splash upon you.
sure its maybe cost-effective but dont expect to be killing banelings without getting touched by them
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oh, teamliquid... I love how we have 20 pages of comments like half an hour after this patch got put up on the blizz site.
anyway, I'm loving the roach nerfs, I've been proclaiming reduction to 1 armor would be so awesome for a long time.
it's kind of too bad unupgraded marauders are just like fat marines now, but hopefully with the mech buildtime buffs we'll see a bit more diverse midgame unit comp (pure marauder/medivac soo boring).
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On April 08 2010 04:24 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:
very incomplete patch.
nerfs to roach/marauder which is fine but no change to the immortal makes the changes a bad thing.
nerfs to zerg including the totally uncalled for hydra nerf. hydras were more then fine. roaches are the problem. im so glad i switched to terran a week ago.
tanks still cost millions of gas, immortals still counter half of the units in the game and sentries still are the most op unit in the game. no spellcaster that is dirt cheap and requires no tech should do decent dmg at range AND have 2 of the best spells in the game.
They aren't bad, the protoss dominate more now!
In all seriousness I agree except that they have 3 of the best spells lol and sentries die really quick when u focus them down.
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On April 08 2010 04:24 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:
very incomplete patch.
nerfs to roach/marauder which is fine but no change to the immortal makes the changes a bad thing.
nerfs to zerg including the totally uncalled for hydra nerf. hydras were more then fine. roaches are the problem. im so glad i switched to terran a week ago.
tanks still cost millions of gas, immortals still counter half of the units in the game and sentries still are the most op unit in the game. no spellcaster that is dirt cheap and requires no tech should do decent dmg at range AND have 2 of the best spells in the game. EMP outranges any spell by the Sentry, problem solved.
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in the upper 2on2 matches there will be only a few terrans after the patch i think.. rauder was the only counter with its slow in the early to roaches and lings..
now u need 80s for the slow ability and 100/100..
and u DONT have this time believe .. as 2 t vs 2 z u will overunned by lings and roaches.. hf gl with the new patch, i will swich to p in 2on2 for sure
mfg wave
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On April 08 2010 04:24 BeMannerDuPenner wrote:
very incomplete patch.
nerfs to roach/marauder which is fine but no change to the immortal makes the changes a bad thing.
nerfs to zerg including the totally uncalled for hydra nerf. hydras were more then fine. roaches are the problem. im so glad i switched to terran a week ago.
I don't know why ppl keep comparing roach/marauder, which are t1,5 to a T2 Unit. Besides, -1 Armor won't do much against a Immortal... -2% DMG-reduction rly is not a big deal and Marauders were so costeffective and with EMP still extremely good against Immortals. So whats the big deal with Immos not being nerfed? I mean: Protoss got nerfed quite a bit in the last few patches and Terran also got some major buffs. Zerg has gotten the first nerf that could change sth in a looong time, so I don't really see your point.
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On April 08 2010 04:25 SLush wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2010 04:11 Marradron wrote:On April 08 2010 04:09 ohN wrote:
MECH TVZ HERE I COME :D How are you going to mech against baneligns ? helions get raped by them, Thors most likely too, and tanks might take a few out before they fall. What ? Banelings or not cost effective vs mech, it's almost not cost effective vs hellion so i dont know what you'Re talking about with the thor.... rofl
yep. getting banelings against mech is total waste of resources. tank shots will take 1/3 of them out before the get even close. then hellions will rape half of the remainers and the rest of the banelings will kill 3-4 blocking hellions and thats it.
so you trade like 20 banelings for max 5 hellions. no good!
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Ack! I'm getting so impatient lol. When is this patch gonna get released!!
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On April 08 2010 04:23 FrozenArbiter wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2010 04:11 Marradron wrote:On April 08 2010 04:09 ohN wrote:
MECH TVZ HERE I COME :D How are you going to mech against baneligns ? helions get raped by them, Thors most likely too, and tanks might take a few out before they fall. Pretty sure 10 hellions with pre-igniter upgrade can splash rape dozens of banelings per shot... although very few zergs have even tried making banelings when I mech.
Actually i saw a stream where 200/200 helion went up against 200/200 banelings.
It took 50 food of banelings to kill 200 food of helions. zerg had something arround 140-150 left
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On April 08 2010 04:28 Marradron wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2010 04:23 FrozenArbiter wrote:On April 08 2010 04:11 Marradron wrote:On April 08 2010 04:09 ohN wrote:
MECH TVZ HERE I COME :D How are you going to mech against baneligns ? helions get raped by them, Thors most likely too, and tanks might take a few out before they fall. Pretty sure 10 hellions with pre-igniter upgrade can splash rape dozens of banelings per shot... although very few zergs have even tried making banelings when I mech. Actually i saw a stream where 200/200 helion went up against 200/200 banelings. It took 50 food of banelings to kill 200 food of helions. zerg had something arround 140-150 left
hellions weren't microed I bet.
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