Patch 8 Discussion - Page 18

On April 08 2010 04:04 StoLiVe wrote:

I agree but still it's more viable now. pretty sure in the next patch we will see some gas decrease on the tank

On April 08 2010 04:06 ZergZergling wrote:

Void rays are much worse now. Before the patch opening with void rays was almost decent vs zerg, now it costs 50 more minerals, does less damage to the queen, and takes more damage from the queen. It's worse in every way.

On April 08 2010 03:56 NicolBolas wrote:


Perhaps you don't understand the full nature of this Void Ray "nerf."

Before, a Queen could kill a single VR one on one. This is no longer the case. The VR does much more damage to Queens in the lower stages. Once the Queen dies, the VR will be fully charged, and can immediately target the Hatch at maximum power.

So Terran players are going to have to get Marauders if they even smell Roaches coming from the Zerg.



While a Hatchery is producing a Queen, it cannot also be making a Lair/Hive. So building a Queen delays your tech massively.

On April 08 2010 04:06 ZergZergling wrote:

Void rays are much worse now. Before the patch opening with void rays was almost decent vs zerg, now it costs 50 more minerals, does less damage to the queen, and takes more damage from the queen. It's worse in every way.

On April 08 2010 03:54 Yamoth wrote:

You kind of suck at math...

old = 4(12a), 8(24a), 16(48a)
new = 10, 10, 20(50a)

Now lets see how the damage is compared over a period of time.
old non-armored = 4, 12, 28, 44, 60, 76, 92, 108
new non-armored+ 10, 20, 40, 80, 100, 120, 140, 200

old armored = 12, 36, 84, 132, 180, 228
new armored = 10, 20, 80, 130, 180, 230

So based on the math alone new void ray out damage old void ray on non-armored unit from the start and out damage armored after 5 seconds.

Now lets factor in the cost of the void ray, I will only do mineral since gas stays the same.

Mineral different mean that for the same mineral cost, you can get 5 old void ray or 4 new void ray. To make my life simple, I will simply multiply all the damage progression by 5 for old and 4 for new.

old non-armored = 20, 60, 140, 220, 300, 380
new non-armored = 40, 80, 160, 240, 320, 400

old armored = 60, 180, 420, 660, 900, 1140
new armored = 40, 80, 320, 520, 720, 920

So mineral for mineral, the new void ray stills do more damage to non-armored unit and take a hurting on armored unit.

However, if you factor in armor reduction and the fact that most void ray production is limited by gas and not so much mineral and me here too lazy to do more math. I would say that this is still for the most part a buff to void ray.

On April 08 2010 04:06 ZergZergling wrote:
Void rays are much worse now. Before the patch opening with void rays was almost decent vs zerg, now it costs 50 more minerals, does less damage to the queen, and takes more damage from the queen. It's worse in every way.

On April 08 2010 04:07 Floophead_III wrote:


And to complement Incontrol's brilliant observation, I present the above.

On April 08 2010 03:33 DeA wrote:
Yup, Hydralisks that cost 100/50, need Lair tech, have 80HP and 12 damage are so worth it now...

It's like they kept the Hydralisk from SC:BW and nerfed it completely.

On April 08 2010 04:05 diehilde wrote:

its not the -1 to armor which is the big thing against thors, but the 15 second decrease on thor build time.

On April 08 2010 03:21 diehilde wrote:
Now with Thor build time decreased and roaches substantially nerfed,

On April 08 2010 04:09 CandleJack wrote:
Am i correct in assuming that Terran will have to expand more to be viable? It seems that by decreasing mech build times without decreasing the cost they're trying to push Terran to be more aggressive about taking extra bases (to afford a bigger army), rather than just take your natural -> turtle to 200 food -> attack.

On April 08 2010 04:09 ohN wrote:
MECH TVZ HERE I COME :D