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Ikiron
United States88 Posts
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cocosoft
Sweden1068 Posts
On June 18 2010 14:56 ProHellZerg wrote: Do you really think it would exists a such flaw in Windows?prodiG, are you sure it's okay to delete those "SmoothMouseXCurve" and "SmoothMouseYCurve" registry files in Windows 7? Wouldn't that disable the whole mouse? O_o Still impressed by peoples computer paranoia. | ||
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InfiniteIce
United States794 Posts
On June 18 2010 21:12 cocosoft wrote: Do you really think it would exists a such flaw in Windows? Still impressed by peoples computer paranoia. Yes. Simply put. Wouldnt be a flaw, either. Still impressed by peoples' computer ignorance as to the fact that nearly anything in an OS can be changed, whether for better or worse. Don't post like a douchebag if you dont know what you're talking about...... "However, careless registry editing can cause irreversible damage. Thus, performing backups of the registry before editing it is highly recommended by Microsoft and many industry experts" It contains settings for low-level operating system components as well as the applications running on the platform: the kernel, device drivers, services, SAM, user interface and third party applications all make use of the Registry. Get it????? That being said, this regfix is safe. Anyway, good bump of thread imo. Going to get practice with my accel. off while Beta is down! | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
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Zerebreat
Germany32 Posts
http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1846538 Edit: Didn't read the whole thread, someone already posted this link on Page 2. For XP I used to set the registry manually. Just Google and you shall receive. | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
On June 18 2010 14:50 prodiG wrote: If you want t o disable it forever, follow these steps: start > run > regedit > HKEY_CURRENT_USER > Control Panel > Mouse select "SmoothMouseXCurve" and "SmoothMouseYCurve" and delete them both then control panel > mouse and uncheck the "Enhance pointer precision" box. I've played quake for like four years now and I do this on every machine I image/own EDIT: For the record, playing with acceleration on is a terrible, terrible idea. Anyone who tells you otherwise is one of: a) a complete noob b) never played something that isn't rts c) hasn't changed gear since windows xp came out d) troll e) all of the above Will renaming these entries have the same effect? I'm testing out no accel, but I want to have the option of going back if I can't get used to it. I'm noticing that when I try to move my mouse the tiniest bit I can with mouse accel on, it moves like one pixel, but when I do this with no accel, it jumps like 4. My accuracy feels terrible... | ||
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crashonly
Finland418 Posts
On June 18 2010 15:50 KillerPlague wrote: what is the benefit of turning off "enhance pointer precision" that seems counter intuitive so if someone could please provide a brief explanation.. i really want to enhance my mouse control as well as keyboard use during the beta hiatus so thanks in advance for your info If you have "enhance pointer precision" on, it will make your pointer move a smaller distance when your mouse movements are slower/less sudden. Turning it off will make your pointer always move at the same, constant speed. And I believe "enhance pointer precision" IS the mouse acceleration option in Vista. | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
no accel seems to change the increments the mouse moves in from 1px all the way to like 4px... ....its like low resolution mouse movement... Is this how everyone's is working and you just deal with it? I have a Logitech Mini Optical...is it just crap at 1680x1050? WTF...how would you aim in CS with this? | ||
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Jayde
Marshall Islands104 Posts
If your mouse seems slow without accel, you may need a higher DPI mouse (I could be wrong here, but I'm pretty sure). I now use a Deathadder on Windows XP for starcraft BW and the deatheradder drivers can kill the accel in windows fine. I am very accurate now especially compared to where I was two years ago. | ||
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InfiniteIce
United States794 Posts
On June 18 2010 21:47 sob3k wrote: Will renaming these entries have the same effect? I'm testing out no accel, but I want to have the option of going back if I can't get used to it. I'm noticing that when I try to move my mouse the tiniest bit I can with mouse accel on, it moves like one pixel, but when I do this with no accel, it jumps like 4. My accuracy feels terrible... You will have to reboot after changing the entries. And yes, renaming the entries should have the same effect as deleting them, as the registry no longer sees the entry that it is looking for. The thing with mouse accel on, is that if you move your mouse a tiny bit, your cursor will move a tiny bit. In the middle-area of moving your mouse, you will have approx a 1-to-1 ratio of mouse distance and on-screen cursor movement. Then, again at the high speeds, moving your mouse fast causes your cursor to move VERY fast. So, if you want to move, say, from the bottom left of your screen, to the top right, just very quickly, you will move the mouse fast, and you will overshoot your target due to acceleration. Your speed causes inaccuracy. Rather than saving time by moving your cursor to where you wanted it to be, faster, you actually move PAST where you wanted it to be, and lose more time. When you have no mouse acceleration, there is no difference in cursor movement at the low, mid, or high mouse movement speeds. That's why it feels weird now, you are not used to it at all. IMO, you will get used to it. I had this off for the longest time, then built a new PC and forgot to disable the accel again. Just turned it off again, myself. It's normal that you'll feel a bit off for now...but definitely worth it in the end if you value being able to move the same amount of screen distance when you move your mouse hand a certain distance, every time, the speed of the movement not affecting where your cursor ends up. Also: to those of you who are still having sensitivity issues, try turning your mouse sensitivity to the middle (6/11) bar in mouse settings. (Right above the enhance pointer precision box.) Tweak your mouse sensitivity of SC2, in SC2. | ||
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InfiniteIce
United States794 Posts
On June 18 2010 21:59 sob3k wrote: Jesus, I feel like I'm drawing on a waffle iron no accel seems to change the increments the mouse moves in from 1px all the way to like 4px... ....its like low resolution mouse movement... Is this how everyone's is working and you just deal with it? I have a Logitech Mini Optical...is it just crap at 1680x1050? WTF...how would you aim in CS with this? That is perhaps a limitation of your mouses DPI. I don't have that mouse, I cannot say for certain. Or, perhaps you have simply not practiced with it for longer than 4 minutes and your accuracy is not up to par? Nobody said you had to use it this way  But hey, practice makes perfect, and I think this helps TONS. Edit:Try testing moving your cursor 1px at a time for a continuous movement. the first movement might be jumpy due to...crappy mouse gliding, crappy mousepad, something sticky (eww) on your mouse pad, whatever. Can you get it to keep moving at 1px at a slow, but continuous rate, after the first "jump" you experience? If so, things are working as intended and this is either a limitation of your mouse polling rate (unlikely) or you just need to clean your mousepad and get more practice with this. (Edit: sorry for doublepost. I hit quote, meaning to type my reply and then copy paste back into the above post by editing, but forgot and just posted instead. Apologies) | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
On June 18 2010 22:02 InfiniteIce wrote: You will have to reboot after changing the entries. And yes, renaming the entries should have the same effect as deleting them, as the registry no longer sees the entry that it is looking for. The thing with mouse accel on, is that if you move your mouse a tiny bit, your cursor will move a tiny bit. In the middle-area of moving your mouse, you will have approx a 1-to-1 ratio of mouse distance and on-screen cursor movement. Then, again at the high speeds, moving your mouse fast causes your cursor to move VERY fast. So, if you want to move, say, from the bottom left of your screen, to the top right, just very quickly, you will move the mouse fast, and you will overshoot your target due to acceleration. Your speed causes inaccuracy. With it on with no accel, there is no difference in cursor movement at the low, mid, or high mouse movement speeds. That's why it feels weird now, you are not used to it at all. IMO, you will get used to it. I had this off for the longest time, then built a new PC and forgot to disable the accel again. Just turned it off again, myself. It's normal that you'll feel a bit off for now...but definitely worth it in the end if you value being able to move the same amount of screen distance when you move your mouse hand a certain distance, every time, the speed of the movement not affecting where your cursor ends up. Also: to those of you who are still having sensitivity issues, try turning your mouse sensitivity to the middle (6/11) bar in mouse settings. (Right above the enhance pointer precision box.) Tweak your mouse sensitivity of SC2, in SC2. I turned my sensitivity down until I could move in one pixel increments...but now it take like 3 swipes to make it across the screen, this isn't going to work... | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
On June 18 2010 22:07 InfiniteIce wrote: That is perhaps a limitation of your mouses DPI. I don't have that mouse, I cannot say for certain. Or, perhaps you have simply not practiced with it for longer than 4 minutes and your accuracy is not up to par? Nobody said you had to use it this way But hey, practice makes perfect, and I think this helps TONS. Edit:Try testing moving your cursor 1px at a time for a continuous movement. the first movement might be jumpy due to...crappy mouse gliding, crappy mousepad, something sticky (eww) on your mouse pad, whatever. Can you get it to keep moving at 1px at a slow, but continuous rate, after the first "jump" you experience? If so, things are working as intended and this is either a limitation of your mouse polling rate (unlikely) or you just need to clean your mousepad and get more practice with this. (Edit: sorry for doublepost. I hit quote, meaning to type my reply and then copy paste back into the above post by editing, but forgot and just posted instead. Apologies) Nope, it keeps hopping no matter how smoothly I try to move it. | ||
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Pking
Sweden142 Posts
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Typho0n
Canada276 Posts
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Wr3k
Canada2533 Posts
On June 18 2010 14:50 prodiG wrote: If you want t o disable it forever, follow these steps: start > run > regedit > HKEY_CURRENT_USER > Control Panel > Mouse select "SmoothMouseXCurve" and "SmoothMouseYCurve" and delete them both then control panel > mouse and uncheck the "Enhance pointer precision" box. I've played quake for like four years now and I do this on every machine I image/own EDIT: For the record, playing with acceleration on is a terrible, terrible idea. Anyone who tells you otherwise is one of: a) a complete noob b) never played something that isn't rts c) hasn't changed gear since windows xp came out d) troll e) all of the above Or you can just uncheck "enhance pointer precision"... Well.... if you are on XP or Vista follow his fix, because even with enhanced pointer precision disabled you can get some funky behavior. Windows 7 is different & you will accomplish 1:1 mouse movements by simply disabling enhanced pointer precision. It's still good to do these mouse fixes though because they can reduce jitter: http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1846538 | ||
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Pharow
United States19 Posts
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nihlon
Sweden5581 Posts
On June 19 2010 04:33 Pharow wrote: Does this really matter? I mean cmon, it seems more likely you will hurt your play by forcing yourself to relearn coodrination. Seems similar to the arguements for gaming mice/keyboards. If you have something that works that your familliar with, why change? Why did Tiger Woods change his swing a few years ago? | ||
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Jimmy Raynor
902 Posts
On June 19 2010 04:33 Pharow wrote: Does this really matter? I mean cmon, it seems more likely you will hurt your play by forcing yourself to relearn coodrination. Seems similar to the arguements for gaming mice/keyboards. If you have something that works that your familliar with, why change? Agree, man. The same people who turn off mouse acceleration will probably be the first to increase mouse sensitivity in game or trough windows options to compensate for that. So technically what will be the difference? | ||
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Wr3k
Canada2533 Posts
On June 19 2010 04:45 Jimmy Raynor wrote: Agree, man. The same people who turn off mouse acceleration will probably be the first to increase mouse sensitivity in game or trough windows options to compensate for that. So technically what will be the difference? Disabling mouse acceleration is beneficial even if you aren't used to it for obvious mechanical reasons. With mouse accel if you move quick to the left several times and then need to move back to center slowly your mouse will end up on the left end of your pad while the cursor is center justified. This causes you to eventually need to lift up your hand and move your mouse, which needless to say is BAD. Without mouse accel this problem does not exist, as your movements correlate to the cursor in a 1:1 fashion regardless of speed. The cursor does not accelerate or decelerate, it merely matches the speed of your hand. You cannot deny that having to pick up your mouse and relocate it to the center of the mousepad is detrimental. Additionally with mouse accel if you need to simply quickly move to a specific point on the screen it will begin to decrease cursor movement speed exponentially with respect to your hands deceleration, increasing the time it takes you to click on specific points by a significant amount. Do you really want to be slower? Playing with mouse acceleration is a handicap to your abilities period. Yes, at first it will take getting used to, you will feel awkward for a week or two but once you get accustomed to the new settings your accuracy and speed will increase significantly and you will rid yourself of that horrid need to pick up your mouse all the time after doing large sweeping motions. + Show Spoiler [TIPS & Sensitivity explaination] + TIP: Once you have disabled mouse accel, play with your sensitivity on your mouse driver / windows settings so that you can easily move the cursor from the left side of the screen to the right, and the bottom to the top without moving your hand too much. If it feels to fast lower the sensitivity, and if it feels like you need to move your mouse too much increase it. Sensitivity is independent of acceleration, and a good comfortable sensitivity setting is necessary to play well. Typically for an RTS game you will want to be able to move your cursor across the screen with less than 3cm of hand movement. With an FPS you will want it slightly lower so that you can make fine adjustments with more ease. lower sensitivity = more hand movement = more accurate fine movements higher sensitivity = less hand movement = greater speed @Pharow: Increasing sensitivity is very different from having mouse acceleration. With mouse accel disabled you have a linear relationship. If you move the mouse X distance the cursor will move Y pixels regardless of how quickly you cover X distance. Your sensitivity is simply the ratio of X to Y. With mouse accel enabled the ratio of X to Y changes depending on how fast you move over X distance with your mouse (I.e. your sensitivity is variable depending on your movement speed). This prevents your body from getting a sense of where specific points are on the screen without seeing the cursor. Someone skilled with mouse accel disabled could probably look at the screen a couple times and then macro a base with their eyes closed since points on the mousepad correlate to points on the screen. With accel enabled no such relationship takes place. I encourage those of you who insist that mouse acceleration isn't bad to do a simple repetitive task on your screen such as opening your start menu and running notepad from the main start menu (pin it / move it to your main taskbar). First do it with your eyes open, then do it with your eyes closed. Repeat with your eyes closed several times. I guarantee you will be much more successful with your eyes closed once you have disabled mouse acceleration. Hopefully this illustration is enough to convince you that it is better to have mouse accel disabled. | ||
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