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On June 19 2010 10:24 sob3k wrote:
So, with my Logitech mini Optical, if I turn off mouse accel it jumps around and is impossible to be precise with. If I turn sensitivity down until I can move in 1pixel increments it takes about 3 feet of mouse movement to get across the screen. I'm gathering that this is because of the mouse's low DPI and I'm just going to have to keep mouse accel on until I can get a nicer mouse...is this about right?
Naw, you should be able to get it dialed in unless something is totally out of whack. I'm not sure what you mean with the 1px : 3 feet thing but you should be able to adjust your sensitivity in 2-3 places. If your mouse seems inaccurate or skips/jitters it could be due to low DPI.
1) Where your OS configuration is.
2) Inside SC2
3) In any additional software for your mouse.
You just need to play with those and find a sweet spot. For playing starcraft I would recommend making it so that 2.5-3cm of movement correlates to the width of your main monitor.
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On June 19 2010 10:16 InfiniteIce wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2010 06:55 hoborg wrote:On June 19 2010 04:55 Wr3k wrote:
With mouse accel if you move quick to the left several times and then need to move back to center slowly your mouse will end up on the left end of your pad while the cursor is center justified. This causes you to eventually need to lift up your hand and move your mouse, which needless to say is BAD. Without mouse accel this problem does not exist This is why I'm trying to switch to no accel - it hurts my hand if I have to keep recentering my mouse! But I'm still having the problem where there is accel in SC2 even though there is not on my desktop. Can anyone please help me out be performing a little test?: Open up a custom map in SC2 and move your mouse on the mousepad in tiny rapid circles, keeping the mouse in the same spot. Does your cursor stay in the same spot or does it drift off like on my computer? I'm curious as to if SC2 has acceleration permanently on or if I've got some setting incorrect on my computer. SC2 does not force on mouse acceleration. I tested this last night. This goes for both with "reduce mouse lag" enabled and disabled.
Okay, that's good, thanks for letting me know.
Now I just gotta figure out why it's doing it for me :/
edit: actually I don't think it's an acceleration issue at all, it's just consistently moving the cursor faster when i go up or left than when I go right or down...
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On June 19 2010 10:34 Wr3k wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2010 10:24 sob3k wrote:
So, with my Logitech mini Optical, if I turn off mouse accel it jumps around and is impossible to be precise with. If I turn sensitivity down until I can move in 1pixel increments it takes about 3 feet of mouse movement to get across the screen. I'm gathering that this is because of the mouse's low DPI and I'm just going to have to keep mouse accel on until I can get a nicer mouse...is this about right? Naw, you should be able to get it dialed in unless something is totally out of whack. I'm not sure what you mean with the 1px : 3 feet thing but you should be able to adjust your sensitivity in 2-3 places. If your mouse seems inaccurate or skips/jitters it could be due to low DPI. 1) Where your OS configuration is. 2) Inside SC2 3) In any additional software for your mouse. You just need to play with those and find a sweet spot. For playing starcraft I would recommend making it so that 2.5-3cm of movement correlates to the width of your main monitor.
I have maxed out OS and in SC sensetivity settings, the mini doesn't have any drivers for vista (source). The mouse is barely fast enough, but it jumps and is very inaccurate, if I turn down any of the settings until the mouse is accurate (until I can move it one pixel at a time) it takes ~3feet of movement to get across the screen.
Any other ideas?
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RTS, FPS, neither, it does not matter. It is never better left on.
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Does SC2's ingame sensitivity rely on interpolation? Should it be left on default?
It seems like there are a ton of trolls...
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On June 19 2010 11:40 sob3k wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2010 10:34 Wr3k wrote:On June 19 2010 10:24 sob3k wrote:
So, with my Logitech mini Optical, if I turn off mouse accel it jumps around and is impossible to be precise with. If I turn sensitivity down until I can move in 1pixel increments it takes about 3 feet of mouse movement to get across the screen. I'm gathering that this is because of the mouse's low DPI and I'm just going to have to keep mouse accel on until I can get a nicer mouse...is this about right? Naw, you should be able to get it dialed in unless something is totally out of whack. I'm not sure what you mean with the 1px : 3 feet thing but you should be able to adjust your sensitivity in 2-3 places. If your mouse seems inaccurate or skips/jitters it could be due to low DPI. 1) Where your OS configuration is. 2) Inside SC2 3) In any additional software for your mouse. You just need to play with those and find a sweet spot. For playing starcraft I would recommend making it so that 2.5-3cm of movement correlates to the width of your main monitor. I have maxed out OS and in SC sensetivity settings, the mini doesn't have any drivers for vista ( source). The mouse is barely fast enough, but it jumps and is very inaccurate, if I turn down any of the settings until the mouse is accurate (until I can move it one pixel at a time) it takes ~3feet of movement to get across the screen. Any other ideas?
Get a higher dpi mouse lol i dunno man sorry.
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On June 19 2010 11:40 sob3k wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2010 10:34 Wr3k wrote:On June 19 2010 10:24 sob3k wrote:
So, with my Logitech mini Optical, if I turn off mouse accel it jumps around and is impossible to be precise with. If I turn sensitivity down until I can move in 1pixel increments it takes about 3 feet of mouse movement to get across the screen. I'm gathering that this is because of the mouse's low DPI and I'm just going to have to keep mouse accel on until I can get a nicer mouse...is this about right? Naw, you should be able to get it dialed in unless something is totally out of whack. I'm not sure what you mean with the 1px : 3 feet thing but you should be able to adjust your sensitivity in 2-3 places. If your mouse seems inaccurate or skips/jitters it could be due to low DPI. 1) Where your OS configuration is. 2) Inside SC2 3) In any additional software for your mouse. You just need to play with those and find a sweet spot. For playing starcraft I would recommend making it so that 2.5-3cm of movement correlates to the width of your main monitor. I have maxed out OS and in SC sensetivity settings, the mini doesn't have any drivers for vista ( source). The mouse is barely fast enough, but it jumps and is very inaccurate, if I turn down any of the settings until the mouse is accurate (until I can move it one pixel at a time) it takes ~3feet of movement to get across the screen. Any other ideas?
I dunno, it sounds like you need a different mouse.
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wow I just turned off mouse acceleration for the first time in my life. Feels crazy, I guess I'll get used to it until my wife complains lol 
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after around 8 or so hours of pc activity i already got used to non-accelerated mouse.
Feels good, man
But here's the question: I played starcraft2 with mouse acceleration off already, i wonder if it will change anything now that i have both accelerations off. (and yea i know i can check, but im lazy to do so :/ )
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On June 19 2010 14:31 darmousseh wrote:wow I just turned off mouse acceleration for the first time in my life. Feels crazy, I guess I'll get used to it until my wife complains lol
Don't think casual users really notice :D
Turned it off on all computers at work (all 3 of them) w/o ever hearing a word.
Going from accel to no accel doesn't take that long but going back is :S unless it's controlled precisely (= not the windows controls which have ridiculously bad and unpredictable accel)
I play with some accel in quake but as a general guideline no accel > bad accel at least.
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mouse acceleration is bad
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On June 20 2010 05:56 Skvid wrote:
after around 8 or so hours of pc activity i already got used to non-accelerated mouse.
Feels good, man
But here's the question: I played starcraft2 with mouse acceleration off already, i wonder if it will change anything now that i have both accelerations off. (and yea i know i can check, but im lazy to do so :/ )
Just move your mouse one inch in one direction really quickly, and then in the opposite direction slowly. If the cursor ends up in the same place when the mouse goes back to where it started mouse accel is off (or set in a barely noticable fashion). It should be off.
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On June 18 2010 22:09 sob3k wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2010 22:02 InfiniteIce wrote:On June 18 2010 21:47 sob3k wrote:On June 18 2010 14:50 prodiG wrote:
If you want t
o disable it forever, follow these steps:
start > run > regedit > HKEY_CURRENT_USER > Control Panel > Mouse
select "SmoothMouseXCurve" and "SmoothMouseYCurve" and delete them both
then control panel > mouse and uncheck the "Enhance pointer precision" box. I've played quake for like four years now and I do this on every machine I image/own
EDIT: For the record, playing with acceleration on is a terrible, terrible idea. Anyone who tells you otherwise is one of:
a) a complete noob
b) never played something that isn't rts
c) hasn't changed gear since windows xp came out
d) troll
e) all of the above
Will renaming these entries have the same effect? I'm testing out no accel, but I want to have the option of going back if I can't get used to it. I'm noticing that when I try to move my mouse the tiniest bit I can with mouse accel on, it moves like one pixel, but when I do this with no accel, it jumps like 4. My accuracy feels terrible... You will have to reboot after changing the entries. And yes, renaming the entries should have the same effect as deleting them, as the registry no longer sees the entry that it is looking for. The thing with mouse accel on, is that if you move your mouse a tiny bit, your cursor will move a tiny bit. In the middle-area of moving your mouse, you will have approx a 1-to-1 ratio of mouse distance and on-screen cursor movement. Then, again at the high speeds, moving your mouse fast causes your cursor to move VERY fast. So, if you want to move, say, from the bottom left of your screen, to the top right, just very quickly, you will move the mouse fast, and you will overshoot your target due to acceleration. Your speed causes inaccuracy. With it on with no accel, there is no difference in cursor movement at the low, mid, or high mouse movement speeds. That's why it feels weird now, you are not used to it at all. IMO, you will get used to it. I had this off for the longest time, then built a new PC and forgot to disable the accel again. Just turned it off again, myself. It's normal that you'll feel a bit off for now...but definitely worth it in the end if you value being able to move the same amount of screen distance when you move your mouse hand a certain distance, every time, the speed of the movement not affecting where your cursor ends up. Also: to those of you who are still having sensitivity issues, try turning your mouse sensitivity to the middle (6/11) bar in mouse settings. (Right above the enhance pointer precision box.) Tweak your mouse sensitivity of SC2, in SC2. I turned my sensitivity down until I could move in one pixel increments...but now it take like 3 swipes to make it across the screen, this isn't going to work...
I did the same, put 6/11 on, turned off Mouse acceleration and now "mouse movement recorder" gives perfect results - BUT - now it takes 2-3 swipes to get from one edge of the screen to the other. Is there any way to increase the sensitivity without ruining the 1:1 pixel movement? My best guess is that the answer to my question is getting a mouse with more DPI?
Also, what role does the HZ-rate play in all of this? Does HZ affect sensitivity and accuracy or is that "only" an indication of the response time of the mouse.
Google answered my second question:
Hz stands for Hertz. its basically how many times a second your computer checks your mouse for movement (frequency). So the more times per second it checks the smoother or more accurate your mouse movents will be.
Does this mean that if I relpace my shitty low-dpi 125HZ mouse with forexample a deathadder, that the higher HZ will allow me to up my sensitivity without losing 1:1? Or is it the DPI increase which allows the sens increase, keeping 1:1? Wow am I confused, would love a simple explaination xD
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No matter how long you've used it, if you discover it happened to be on, do yourself a favor and turn it off right away~
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