DPS chart for units

On March 10 2010 10:44 CharlieMurphy wrote:
so since carrier is 6 interceptors, it's 19.98 and 31.98 after upgrades

also interesting to see that the thor and BC have the highest DPS to ground of all units in the game.
and the strike cannon ability of the thor is huuuuge dps.

how do these compare to sc1 dps charts?

On March 10 2010 12:18 majesty.k)seRapH wrote:
wait, so does this mean that hellions are weaker than DRONES?

at least when not upgraded...

On March 10 2010 12:18 majesty.k)seRapH wrote:
wait, so does this mean that hellions are weaker than DRONES?

at least when not upgraded...

On March 10 2010 13:09 crate wrote:
Do probes and SCVs have the same DPS as drones? I don't see them on the spreadsheet.

On March 10 2010 13:11 Chairman Ray wrote:
The Stalker has by far the lowest DPS, other then the Hellion which isn't a staple unit and it does splash. I think this is a problem

On March 10 2010 13:28 onmach wrote:
Also the ultralist is +4, not +2 per upgrade. I wouldn't take this spreadsheet as gospel.

On March 10 2010 13:34 onmach wrote:
I can't get any of his numbers to add up. What do the 100%, 50%, 25% columns mean?

On March 10 2010 13:56 Nadagast wrote:
Tanks do more DPS to armored targets unsieged than sieged (not counting splash)? That seems dumb if true (and I think it very well could be they attack quick when unsieged)


Edit: You should add DPS/cost as a column. Either DPS/(total gas + minerals) or DPS/minerals and DPS/gas seperately

On March 10 2010 13:11 Chairman Ray wrote:
The Stalker has by far the lowest DPS, other then the Hellion which isn't a staple unit and it does splash. I think this is a problem

On March 10 2010 10:44 CharlieMurphy wrote:
so since carrier is 6 interceptors, it's 19.98 and 31.98 after upgrades

also interesting to see that the thor and BC have the highest DPS to ground of all units in the game.
and the strike cannon ability of the thor is huuuuge dps.

how do these compare to sc1 dps charts?

On March 10 2010 14:00 hzhao wrote:



and much further, I always thought that was the purpose of the tank.

On March 10 2010 15:56 Nadagast wrote:
Still it seems like they [siege tanks] should do more DPS in siege mode...

On March 10 2010 13:54 wintergt wrote:
This explains why upgraded BCs own so hard, pretty much highest DPS in the game. Ofcourse they are multiple attacks so armor gets counted more often but still. Terrans should probably put a transition to BCs (when they have enough economy to support making a bunch) into their playstyle to win those drawn-out games.

On March 10 2010 16:11 iNfeRnaL wrote:
I guess splash dmg just does THAT much of a difference - also Mutas now have a lot more DPS than before so that explains what everybody already thought - Mutas are even stronger than they are in SC1.

On March 10 2010 15:40 Nightmarjoo wrote:
Those bw dps don't consider the type of attack vs the size of the target, so they are not quite accurate.

Thanks for this information, though it can be hard to see which units some of the things on the right side of the graph apply to, I can't fit much of it on my screen at once ~~

On March 10 2010 16:47 Karas wrote:
Curious how the numbers were calculated?

I did my own calculations a little while back, and most of my numbers are pretty consistent with the chart, but a few standout.

The biggest one of note is the roach. My calculations were 1.8 seconds, not 2, and that was after 5 trial runs.

On March 10 2010 17:47 starfries wrote:
Oh this is cool. Battlecruisers don't feel that strong in the game, interesting

On March 10 2010 13:11 Pillars wrote:
Might be useful to factor in unit cost as well.

On March 11 2010 01:58 spinesheath wrote:
Small issue: Archons can cost 1 of 3 values, because you can merge HTs and DTs in any combination.

So less UCPD should be better, right? Nice to see that zerglings still are on top

On March 11 2010 11:10 Disastorm wrote:
spine crawlers look so bad compared to photon cannons and bunkers (assuming a bunker is 4X marine damage). Why do spine crawlers do half the damage of a photon cannon and they can only attack ground??

On March 11 2010 11:27 Makatak wrote:
And this is useful how? This is Starcraft, not ArithmeticCraft.

That's like those Street Fighter 4 newbs that talk about frame data for certain character moves.

I don't care how far you have to stick your **** through the data files to figure that **** out. It doesn't make you a better player.

On March 11 2010 11:27 Makatak wrote:

I don't care how far you have to stick your **** through the data files to figure that **** out. It doesn't make you a better player.

On March 11 2010 11:27 Makatak wrote:
And this is useful how? This is Starcraft, not ArithmeticCraft.

That's like those Street Fighter 4 newbs that talk about frame data for certain character moves.

I don't care how far you have to stick your **** through the data files to figure that **** out. It doesn't make you a better player.

On March 11 2010 12:04 Karas wrote:


It can in certain ways.


For example, did you know that it takes 3 roach hits to kill a marine? Meaning 3 roaches attacking together will kill a marine every hit.

If I have 9 roaches, and micro them in groups of 3, for the first few seconds I kill marines 3x as fast as if I just told them all to focus on the same guy.


Knowing the numbers can tell what counters are useful, when to micro and when to focus more on macro, etc. While its not certainly the sole of gameplay, it can be a useful addition.

On March 11 2010 18:49 DeCoup wrote:No you wouldn't. There is no overkill in SC2. Assuming that all your roaches are in range of all the marines, waypoing attack targeting every marine with all 9 of your roaches selected would kill them in the same amount of time as using 3 groups, because only 3 roaches will fire at each marine.

On March 10 2010 12:18 majesty.k)seRapH wrote:
wait, so does this mean that hellions are weaker than DRONES?

at least when not upgraded...

On March 11 2010 22:07 Tamerlane wrote:


If there were only 3 marines as targets, that would be true, but if there are more : your roaches will not "1 shot" 3 marines at a time, instead they will attack the closest unit to them, therefore spreading the total damage over multiple units instead of focusing on a few.

On March 12 2010 15:45 DeCoup wrote:

No man. If you have 9 roaches selected and waypoint 15 marines which are all in range of the roaches they will kill all of them in 5 shots.

The first volley will kill 3 marines (In an instant all roaches will be 'aimed' at the 1st marine in your waypoint queue, but 3 shots would kill it so the remaining 6 roaches will then be 'aiming' at the 2nd marine, but 3 shots would kill it so the remaining 3 will target and kill the 3rd marine in your queue). So the first shot kills 3 marines instantly. The second volley kills the 4th 5th and 6th marine that was in your queue in the next shot. It repeats this till all marines are dead.
There is no gain at all from using smaller selections with your waypoints as long as all your roaches are in range of all the marines in this example. This is true for all units in the game because there is no overkill. If you have waypoints issued they will always attack them in order and never attack 'closest targets'.

On March 11 2010 01:45 Tamerlane wrote:


Indeed, that's why I did it : http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AvtPWMS53wIgdEFfLVFWNllJYl90YUFmODRTQ05jQUE&hl=fr

On March 13 2010 04:26 Tdelamay wrote:


I looked over the terran stats;
What I'm gathering is that Viking are more cost efficient A.A. than Thors on all levels.
Turrets are also very cost efficient.
Marines are also the most cost-effective unit on the board, but it doesn't take into account their health.

On March 13 2010 04:33 Cheerio wrote:
I'm looking for an excel file with full stats and costs of sc2 units. Can someone direct me to it plz?

On March 13 2010 06:05 grmblfzzz wrote:
Are these dps numbers/cooldown speeds for game speed faster? I'd assume so since no one mentioned, but I'd like to know for sure. Or if you'd have to make an additional calculation changing from fast to faster.

On March 13 2010 07:29 CharlieMurphy wrote:
Question: Fungal does 4.5 dps and if a 45 hp stims it will kill him. But if there is a medivac there what is the heal DPS? And say if you got like 10 marines in a pile how many medivacs would u need to have them all survive?

On March 13 2010 21:55 Tamerlane wrote:


you are correct about the cost efficiency of terran AA, and from my personal experience Thors are a terrible AA unit

well, turrents do have to be cost efficient, they are immobile!!

as for the marines, they are the most efficient when it comes to DPS, but there is a quadrazillion factors to take into account for numbers to translate into actual gameplay, health is merely one of them



you got pretty much all you need in the tables posted in this thread, apart from HP and armor, which you can get yourself (and share to the rest of the community!)



these are the core values of all units, a game on "faster" speed setting merely accelerates the speed at which the game is played - if I can rely on the replay clock :

- fast has a 1:1 ratio with "real time"
- faster is 1/3 faster than "fast" (that is, 1min of game time on "faster" will appear as 45sec in reality, or if you prefer : 1min of gameplay at "fast" will take only 45sec to elapse on a "faster" setting)

therefore, if you want the real values you will experience in the game, you will have to multiply the entire DPS table by 1.33



the duration of fungal growth is a required value to solve this, as well as the healing rate of the medevacs - do you have those?

On March 12 2010 15:45 DeCoup wrote:

No man. If you have 9 roaches selected and waypoint 15 marines which are all in range of the roaches they will kill all of them in 5 shots.

The first volley will kill 3 marines (In an instant all roaches will be 'aimed' at the 1st marine in your waypoint queue, but 3 shots would kill it so the remaining 6 roaches will then be 'aiming' at the 2nd marine, but 3 shots would kill it so the remaining 3 will target and kill the 3rd marine in your queue). So the first shot kills 3 marines instantly. The second volley kills the 4th 5th and 6th marine that was in your queue in the next shot. It repeats this till all marines are dead.
There is no gain at all from using smaller selections with your waypoints as long as all your roaches are in range of all the marines in this example. This is true for all units in the game because there is no overkill. If you have waypoints issued they will always attack them in order and never attack 'closest targets'.

On March 15 2010 17:19 sob3k wrote:


There is overkill in Sc2.

The only units that don't overkill are instant hit units (non-projectile).

ex.
tanks
ghosts
vikings (ground)


Roaches will happily overkill

On March 15 2010 17:27 CharlieMurphy wrote:

Do blings overkill?
holy fuck, imagine how good scourge would be in sc2!!!!

On March 24 2010 02:53 teamsolid wrote:
Lol, hydralisks have 3x the DPS of stalkers and cost 25 minerals less. Sure, stalkers are Tier 1, but who honestly even builds them in the early game? Their only use is to attack vs air because zealots can't.

On March 24 2010 01:24 duckhunt wrote:
whats the marine dps after stim

On March 28 2010 23:57 yomi wrote:

Good question, how much does stim help? And a separate column for the helion with its damage upgrade would be nice along with zergling attack speed and any other units I can't think of that have DPS upgrades aside from the regular +1/2/3

Also I would love to see numerics on unit movement speeds and how they are affected by the few speed buffs in the game.

I saw someone post medivac's HPS but what about an SCV's repairs per second?

On June 18 2010 23:44 Galneryus wrote:
Thanks for updated sheet Kegsta. I was wondering what the Siege Tank DPS was before and after the nerf, now I know!

On June 18 2010 23:37 Subversion wrote:
when last was this updated just out of curiosity?

what i mean is, is the one in the OP up to date?

On June 18 2010 23:56 Executioner.zealot wrote:


No, I'm not even sure why this thread is still kicking.

I was playing around with the map editor doing some learning and decided to make one of these myself that's up to date.

https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Auc_B6bsgiQndFpEeUdlRTJqM1FBbWpqMExiWDV0OHc&hl=en#gid=0

or for excel version.

http://www.users.on.net/~kegsta/SC2 DPS Beta 16.xls

On March 10 2010 10:40 Chairman Ray wrote:
Wow thanks, this is awesome!

Biggest surprise to me was how much DPS thors and battlecruisers have. Also phoenixes have higher DPS and health than vikings, so that means...

On June 19 2010 04:18 Bibdy wrote:
I made one of these kinds of sheets, and then I started weighting scores for each unit with things like DPS, range, total life, speed, resource costs (gas vs minerals vs both), build time, whether it could hit ground or air, if it was an air or ground unit, if it had an AOE (and assumed it would do at least 200% damage a shot) etc. and just multiplying all these values (with different weights) together to get a total score.

End result was I couldn't find a way to make Marauders, Reapers and Void Rays not look totally overpowered and get the Mothership to not suck intergalactic space donkey dick.

On June 18 2010 22:32 Kegsta wrote:
I was playing around with the map editor doing some learning and decided to make one of these myself that's up to date.

https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Auc_B6bsgiQndFpEeUdlRTJqM1FBbWpqMExiWDV0OHc&hl=en#gid=0

On June 19 2010 05:59 Herculix wrote:
you shouldn't get too caught up in pure DPS. that's just a way to measure damage. just because you have high DPS doesn't mean you have high damage, i.e. if you have high DPS but i have high damage, and i kill you in 5-10 seconds, does it matter that over 20-30 seconds you would've done more damage? it's a valuable stat but not all-encompassing.

On June 19 2010 05:59 Herculix wrote:
you shouldn't get too caught up in pure DPS. that's just a way to measure damage. just because you have high DPS doesn't mean you have high damage, i.e. if you have high DPS but i have high damage, and i kill you in 5-10 seconds, does it matter that over 20-30 seconds you would've done more damage? it's a valuable stat but not all-encompassing.

why do you multiply the DPS/cost for carriers, when the DPS already is for a whole carrier with 8 interceptors?

On March 16 2010 12:36 obesechicken13 wrote:
Your calculations are all off by a lot because I don't think you accounted for the duration of an attack animation. Cooldown is the time between the end of one attack and the beginning of another. For marines in SC1, the attack animation was almost as long as the 15 cooldown.

On June 24 2010 16:24 cloaked wrote:

Can someone please confirm if the cooldown time includes the attack animation or not?

If the animation is included great, if not then this DPS chart is probably way off.

On June 20 2010 04:03 goofoffjw wrote:
I did a little math to see how much better Yamato cannon was than the basic BC attack:

Ground Damage Fully Upgraded: 13 = 57.78 DPS
Yamato Cannon Damage: 300 = 75 DPS (Assuming a 4 second charge-up time)
17.22 DPS difference

Air Damage Fully Upgraded: 9 = 40 DPS
35 DPS difference

Obviously it's far better even with the long charge time to use Yamato. I figured it was, but I just wanted to see how much better it ended up being. When you consider the 10 range of Yamato cannon as well, it really is no contest.