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On February 27 2010 22:04 G.s)NarutO wrote: Rush to Zealots with charge and a Stalker to defend reaper harass Yeah, sure... just build a cycore, tcouncil, research charge and pump those units out... before reapers get to your base. You couldn't do that in v1, before gateways and chrono got nerfed AND barracks/tech lab was buffed. Try this on Desert Oasis against a Terran who isn't playing with his feet and glhf with that.
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On February 27 2010 22:16 wintergt wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2010 22:04 G.s)NarutO wrote:On February 27 2010 10:22 Amber[LighT] wrote: I'll be picking up terran for a bit until they make Protoss playable again. Rush to Zealots with charge and a Stalker to defend reaper harass, Zealot + Charge + Sentry = Rape. If you cry about your race getting nerfed 'slightly' and its really slightly, try to play Terran vs a good Protoss and realize its still fucking hard. He was already back to protoss after his terran got beaten a few times by protoss. (if it was his lifestream i watched yesterday) A balanced army of zealots, stalkers, immortals and 1 or 2 colossi in the back with decent micro is just near unbeatable for terran it looks like.
Bio + Medivac + Viking + Ghost :p
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or mech + vikings + ghosts
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Not to bitch, but I've been following the beta forums and it just seems they're catering to the people who cant think of ways to counter stuff. I realize beta is expected to receive massive balance changes back and forth, but I really dislike that Blizzard would even take note of what the whining noobs (mostly non-sc players) complain about on the forums.
Imho the current beta pool has too little serious Starcraft players that know what they're talking about when it comes to balance. Those people think further into what changes to one race does to other races. Sadly, right now theres too many elite idiots in the beta pool who want their race buffed and others nerfed because they can't think of ways to counter what they get owned by.
As for this patch, I think it sucks that toss recieved a cb nerf on top of the gateway nerf (which makes core later, etc etc...) but I dont expect it to stay this way. MS I really care less about. Either way, regardless of how bad Protoss get nerfed, I'll still continue to try to find ways to beat other players as toss. I'm not in beta yet but I do follow it very closely. (Thank god for no NDA)
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On February 27 2010 22:23 DrainX wrote: Remember that a technique often used in balancing is taking units and races that aren't used much and buffing them a lot. Just to make people use them more. Once people develop strategies with them they can nerf them back to a balanced state. If this boost was too good for terran then maybe the reason was that they didn't see enough terrans in the ladders. If only a few people play one race then its hard to balance it. Hmmm. They really need to buff Hellions, then.
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wow... T must be awesome now...
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FIX SIEGE TANKS... OMFG
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ouch...
As a P player this has be ticked.
Nerf my gateways Take away my moship starting energy Take away wormhole transit (I actually loved this ability)
Then nerf the moship to make it an unglorified unique arbiter which I will no longer waste my minerals on? puh-leeze
Nerf my chrono boost
AND THEN buff early T (which was already my worst match-up. (Plus they already buffed the build time on orbital command so DT's are even less viable.. FAIL! Yeah there goes any chance I had of doing decent in the near future with P...
le sigh. I might just wait for the next patch...
~LoA
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On February 28 2010 01:51 LordofAscension wrote: le sigh. I might just wait for the next patch... Or you can just start playing Terran :D
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Jesus the whole point of these changes is to test the balance. See what happens when your chrono boost is shorter and when the mothership sucks ass. ADAPT and then see what happens. Stop whining before even trying. Or else all the feedback blizzard is going to get will be on the level of "MARAUDERS ARE IMBALANCED, THEY KILL ME. TAKE MARAUDERS OUT OF GAME PLEASE"
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On February 28 2010 01:58 z]Benny wrote: Jesus the whole point of these changes is to test the balance. See what happens when your chrono boost is shorter and when the mothership sucks ass. ADAPT and then see what happens. Stop whining before even trying. Or else all the feedback blizzard is going to get will be on the level of "MARAUDERS ARE IMBALANCED, THEY KILL ME. TAKE MARAUDERS OUT OF GAME PLEASE"
Well said. Blizzard get enough useless feedback from the WoW players, so you should be using things that are least represented in order for them to fix the problems and make the best game possible.
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Russian Federation4235 Posts
Just scrap that shit and bring arbiters back.
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The problem I see is people aren't logical when it comes to balance. They have an extremely hard time seeing the other side of the fence. Protoss was dominating the ladders, and you are acting surprised you got tweaked? You aren't losing cause they nerfed your race, you just aren't as good as you thought you were.
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I would like to hear some of the top random players, like KBH. I guess they are more objective than most.
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OH GOD!!! Teamliquid is turing into Gameriot's WoW OH God.....no......NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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On February 28 2010 01:51 LordofAscension wrote: le sigh. I might just wait for the next patch...
Really? What is wrong with you you're actually IN the beta, unlike so many of us, and you're gonna sit out because you don't want to risk a loss or two hurting your ELO? Or did this patch just ruin any possibility of fun being had from playing Protoss. God I would love to play beta even if i was only allowed to play Protoss and only could tech to the nerfed mothership.....
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People are taking these nerfs so personal, I mean it's just the beta, the point is to find balance, interesting gameplay and fix bugs, not to make your favorite race the strongest. If the game was out and they'd come with such nerfs I would understand but now? Totally expected.
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Yeah the whining of protoss users in this thread is so anoying. Hey I got lucky I got in to beta but im not gonna play because I for once in my life I might be at a small disadvantage with my race instead of getting free wins..
And on topic: This is how beta works. This is not the final patch. Things will be OP during the beta. Stop crying and so will I
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ionno patch seems to made game unstable for me i crash like every 3 games it's been and it's killing my ladder rank
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On February 28 2010 01:51 LordofAscension wrote: As a P player this has be ticked.
I think this is the problem. Players are developing race attachments before the races themselves are fully defined in terms of the roles units play in them.
It's beta. There are multiple reasons why it's a bad idea for you to be playing one race to the exclusion of others to begin with. One being that a good distribution of data across all three races is better than having a lot of data about one race (even if you disagreed that Protoss was imbalanced, you had to agree that there was a disproportionate slant of players toward Protoss). Another is that the races are going to undergo such drastic changes that it just simply makes no sense to hamstring yourself by saying you're going to play one race before release.
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