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United States33343 Posts
Source: http://sc.ygosu.com/news/?idx=2842
This interview is from February 24th. At the time, Zenio was #1 in platinum league division one in Korea, with a record of around 224-50. Once an amateur Warcraft III player aspiring to make it as a pro, he switched his focus to Starcraft II. Oh, he hit A- within a year of playing BW, so this guy has some talent.
YGosu: Hello, it’s YGosu here. Let’s begin with a brief introduction.
Zenio: Hi, my name is Choi Jung Min, and I’m 20 years old. I live in Uijeongbu, and I’m currently unemployed….
YGosu: Oh, 20 years old! In the prime of your youth, I see. You have a girlfriend?
Zenio: Huk! We broke up a week ago…
YGosu: T_T. My condolences to you.
Zenio: T_T
YGosu: If it was one week ago, that coincides interestingly with the release of the Starcraft 2 beta. Does that have anything to do with your ridiculous win rate and #1 ranking?
Zenio: Well I wanted to break up since before, and with the Starcraft II Beta coming out and all, I told her we should break up.
YGosu: Indeed… You took those wise words to heart: To achieve great things, distance yourself from women.
Zenio: Yup, lolz.
YGosu: So, you’re #1 in division one of the platinum league, and have an amazing win rate with 224 wins and 50 losses. In short, you’re kinda good at Starcraft 2. So, you think you’re pretty good then?
Zenio: ;;;;; (implies that he’s flustered) Nope. It just looks like I’m good because the Starcraft players aren’t playing yet. If the Starcraft players start, I think I’m gonna fall behind, they’re scary!
YGosu: Oh well then. Then who do you think is the best player in the Starcraft II beta so far? For example, yourself….
Zenio: Well, I’d like to say it’s me, but I’ll just say it’s Hyungju hyung (Check[pooh], Warcraft III pro who is #1 in another division), hehehe.
YGosu: What a peculiar answer, humble and yet not so humble at the same time.
Zenio: LOL
YGosu: Starcraft II is a Protoss bonanza right now, but you’re tearing stuff up as Zerg. How are you spanking this overflow of Protoss players?
Zenio: Oh, Protoss is strong?
YGosu: If you look at the platinum rankings, about 70% of the players are Protoss. I counted myself yesterday, I played 14 PvPs during a 20 game stretch yesterday.
Zenio: Protoss doesn’t have anything to stop mutalisks with. I play thinking that if I can just survive the best I can with sunken colonies and zerglings, I’ll win when I get to mutas.
YGosu: Oh, I think I’ve lost to that a few times. Do you mean the 13 pool -> Expand -> Corruptor + Mutalisk build?
Zenio: Yeah. As you make mutas, you’ll have some extra minerals, while you don’t have enough gas. I just throw all those extra minerals into drones, and once I’ve secured my second base I can make 5 hatcheries and mass roaches in a macro game. Kind of like ZvT in Starcraft: Brood War.
YGosu: I've lost to it, and it's a really scary build. There's no real counter for that as Protoss?
Werra : Nope. You make mutas, and make a hatchery at your main, two at your natural, and two at your third base, a queen at each of them and then win like that. If you eventually take 4 gas bases, you just can't lose.
YGosu: You can run five hatcheries, all of them with queens?
Zenio: Yup.
YGosu: I’d like to tell you that you’re kinda awesome. So you’re saying that as of now, the Phoenix, which are supposed to counter mutalisks, can’t really do much against them?
Zenio: Yeah, I think so, and that it will probably be patched. There’s no good way to stop mutas right now…
YGosu: I guess so. Even if you get Phoenixes, they die easily to Corruptors. Even Archons aren’t like they used to be…
Zenio: Yeah, it’s easy to dodge storm. Storm is just too weak. And if you make too many stalkers, you just die to zerlings and roaches.
YGosu: What a clear explanation from the ZvP master. I’m worried that more Zerg players will start using this strategy now. I’m considering deleting this interview T_T
Zenio: Gasp!!!
YGosu: Onto the next question. It’s very hard to find a high ranking Terran in the platinum leagues, why do you think Terran is doing so poorly now?
Zenio: Hmmm… I need a clever answer for this one… People might hate me if I answer this poorly, lol.
YGosu: Do you visit our site? If you did, you’d know it’s our policy to act first, and deal with the consequences later.
Zenio: Really?
YGosu: Are you really a YGosu user?
Zenio: Yes. I’m always checking the site out. I also had the #1 popular post a while ago.
YGosu: Oh, then you’re an Elite YGosu-er. In the spirit of our website, spit some truth.
Zenio: Well in that case, Terran is strong, but no one knows how to use them.
YGosu: Wow, a pretty strong statement there. So you mean the players aren’t used to the new Terran yet? Or that all the Terran users are chobos?
Zenio: I mean… I think so far that a lot of Warcraft III players are playing Starcraft II. They’re trying too hard to play the game like Warcraft III. How should I say this… they focus too much on microing units with special abilities, or trying to fight major battles with an army they’ve saved up. That’s not Starcraft. You have to make stuff quickly, burn through it quickly, and expand all the while. The Warcraft III players like to play off one base and complete their unit combinations.
YGosu: So you mean they are too passive, and too focused on battles?
Zenio: I’ve tried Terran a little bit, and it seems like going 1 barracks expand is good, just like Starcraft: Broodwar. No one uses this build though. I think resource oriented play is good.
YGosu: Most people seem to think that it’s very difficult to protect a fast expansion in Starcraft II, but you think Terran can pull it off?
Zenio: Yes, of course. If you scout them trying to attack you early, you can defend easily by building bunkers in time. If you defend a rush, then obviously you’re ahead. I think Terran can be very strong if they expand followed with a well timed attack, like Starcraft: BW.
YGosu: Ah, spoken like a true gosu, breaking the existing notions.
Zenio: No, I’m not rewriting the rules or anything. Think about it. In a game that’s been played for over ten years, and researched to death, standard play isn’t standard for nothing. There’s a good reason. Starcraft II might be a different game from Starcraft: Broodwar, but classic play still works in the end. I’m kind of disappointed that people are missing that.
YGosu: Do you have a lot of experience at Starcraft: Broodwar as well?
Zenio: Yes, I practiced a lot in preparation for Starcraft II.
YGosu: So that’s what it was, you did seem unusually good. How did you prepare exactly?
Zenio: It was about this time last year, so it’s been an entire year now. I heard around then that the Starcraft II beta was coming out, so I stopped playing Warcraft. At the time, I was actually practicing to be a Warcraft progamer. To be honest, it was really tough. I suffered so much because the bar was already set so high. But when I heard the Starcraft II beta was coming out, I thought about hard it had been for me so far, and I decided to make a clean cut from Warcraft and take a shot at Starcraft II.
And in order to prepare for that, I started to play Starcraft: Brood War from March of 2009. But I didn’t know how to play Starcraft. I started in public games on the Battle.net Asia server. Then I learned about the “op 345” channel. I practiced there for a while, and then my friend told me about ICCup. So I switched to ICCup and played there. I managed to get to A- in about three seasons.
YGosu: That’s incredible. Starcraft is hard to get good at, even if you play it for two or three years. But you managed to hit A- in only a year. You must have practiced really hard. Did you feel discouraged at any point?
Zenio: Yes, it was hard. It’s a totally different game from Warcraft III, so it would be strange if it wasn’t hard. It wasn’t really the gaming that was hard on me, it was some other things.
YGosu: What was the hardest part?
Zenio: I didn’t have a good environment around me when I was playing Warcraft III. I was going to school, and had some family problems. My heart wasn’t all into it either. But now I’m out of school, and I’ve made up my mind. Now I can focus on Starcraft II completely.
Also, since I’ve tasted failure with Warcraft III, I would really hate to fail at Starcraft II. I’m the youngest kid in my family, and I don’t want to disappoint them when all eyes are on me. Think about it, the little kid in the family, wasting all of his time on video games, how that would break his parent’s hearts. I’m so sorry to them, so terribly sorry. I really want to succeed at Starcraft II so I can make my parents happy.
YGosu: That’s some resolve and determination there. You’ve persevered through that pain and practicing hard right now, I know you’re going to succeed. You’ll become the pride of YGosu! If you’d just do some One Piece (an anime) cos-playing, you could try and become not only the president of YGosu, but even the Emperor… (YGosu in-joke I don’t understand).
Anyway onto the next question. So what do you think about Starcraft II? Do you think it can succeed just like the original?
Zenio: Of course. I watched Starcraft I on TV recently, and I just couldn’t watch it… And I really like Starcraft.
YGosu: What do you think the strengths of Starcraft II are?
Zenio: First off, it’s still in the beta phase, yet Battle.net works really well so even new players can start playing with ease. The ladder system is great, too. From an observer’s standpoint, the tempo of the game is quick so it’s fun to watch.
YGosu: Were you thinking about E-sports with that last bit?
Zenio: Yes. There’s a real joy to watching the game.
YGosu: On the other hand, what do you think the weaknesses are? In terms of balance, or gameplay.
Zenio: The sound effects could be better. I think Zerg has the biggest problem there, there’s just no energy behind the unit sounds. It barely sounds like they’re responding when you click on them, and you can’t tell what unit is making what sound. There aren’t units that sound desperate or growl at you aggressively, and the “You require more minerals” sound is kind of off-putting (the Korean dub of the Zerg lady is said to be pretty bad). So it’s kind of annoying.
YGosu: We’ll try to send your feedback to Blizzard. What about the maps then? Do you think anything is wrong with them right now? Like, racial imbalances, or differences in starting positions?
Zenio: You know Desert Oasis, right? The main and natural are so far apart, so you have to defend them separately, which makes it difficult to expand. Even if you do succeed at expanding, it’s really hard to defend it, so I think the map forces you to play off your main. Naturally, you don’t get to make many units… It would be nice if they got rid of maps like that. I – I’m not saying that because I’m a Zerg user!
YGosu: … Thank you for your insightful (selfish) opinions. (The quip about selfishness is YGosu’s, not mine)
You don’t feel that there’s any imbalance in starting positions?
Zenio: Nope, haven’t felt that yet.
YGosu: Then what do you think is overpowered so far? Like, something like “Warp Gates are imba!” or like the mutalisks in ZvP like you mentioned before.
Zenio: Overpowered, hmmm…
YGosu: For example, Warp Gates or Mutalisks…
Zenio: Hmm.. Like I said before, I think mutalisks are overpowered. Besides that, I don’t think anything is really overpowered. I think the balance is pretty good overall, with the exception of mutas in zvp.
YGosu: Sharp observation, I hope it will be patched soon T_T. Are you streaming on Afreeca? Most other gosus stream their games there.
Zenio: No, my computer is pretty bad T_T. I’m playing on lowest settings. I’d have to go to a PC Bang in order to broadcast. But it’s a pain to do that, and it takes a lot of money. I’d love to stream, but I’m not in the situation to do so right now.
YGosu: Laziness is fearsome indeed. The answer might be obvious, but would you like to be a pro-gamer once Starcraft II is released?
Zenio: Yes, of course. For that, I’ve dropped everything else and gone all-in with Starcraft II.
YGosu: That shows in the insane amount of games you’ve played. Not even a week, and 300 games…
Zenio: 40 a day is my goal. No more, no less, just getting in 40 games a day is my goal so far.
YGosu: We really hope you become a Starcraft II pro. Personally then, which progamer are you excited about making the possible leap from Starcraft I to Starcraft II?
Zenio: Hmm… Flash or Jaedong. I guess that’s a pretty common answer.
YGosu: Yeah… A bit boring. Just say Yellow.
Zenio: No no no no no.
YGosu: Kong Gga Ji ma T_T (don’t bash Yellow).
Zenio: Lol. Well just personally, it’s Rock. I met him while I was playing Warcraft a long time ago. Since he’s dabbled in Warcraft III, I think maybe he’ll be okay at Starcraft II because they have a similar interface? Though should I be saying this about Rock? He’s still playing Starcraft…
YGosu: Perfectly OK. The commander of the major leagues (Stork. Refers to Rock’s nickname, commander of the minor leagues. Go look up his record in Challenge league or Survivor tournament, he’s incredible there) plays World of Warcraft, you know.
Zenio: …. Really?
YGosu: ….Who knows? We’re not sure either. Someone out there must know the truth anyway.
Well, in conclusion, a word to the YGosu-ers from a YGosu-er who will go on to become a Starcraft II pro!
Zenio: YGosu is such a familiar site to me, so it’s an honor to be interviewed like this. I’ll try hard so you guys can interview me later when I’m a Starcraft II pro.
YGosu: When you’re a pro, please plug our site. Something like “I start my day by browsing YGosu.”
Zenio: ROFL
YGosu: Ok, now pick the next interviewee. Who should we interview, amongst the many Starcraft II players?
Zenio: Hmm, who should I pick?
YGosu: Don’t worry about it, just act. Like I said before. You’re a YGosuer? Act first, think later.
Zenio: Then I pick Kim Dong Su, Garimtoss. He’s like the only Starcraft player who’s high in the ladder, so I think it would be great if you interviewed him.
YGosu: ….Thanks for picking such a difficult guy to get a hold of. Anyway, thanks for the interview! We hope to see you again as a YGosu-er progamer!
Zenio: Thanks guys!
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Melbourne5338 Posts
Was a interesting read. Too bad there wasn't any reps of that 2base muta build
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Great interview!
The sound effects could be better. I think Zerg has the biggest problem there, there’s just no energy behind the unit sounds. It barely sounds like they’re responding when you click on them, and you can’t tell what unit is making what sound. There aren’t units that sound desperate or growl at you aggressively,
So true!
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Great interview, thanks !
Liked this a lot:
YGosu: Ah, spoken like a true gosu, breaking the existing notions.
Zenio: No, I’m not rewriting the rules or anything. Think about it. In a game that’s been played for over ten years, and researched to death, standard play isn’t standard for nothing. There’s a good reason. Starcraft II might be a different game from Starcraft: Broodwar, but classic play still works in the end. I’m kind of disappointed that people are missing that.
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Awesome, they are good at doing interviews apparently. And kudos to the guy for not only giving standard answers. Also <3 Garimto. Please translate that if they really do it. 
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oh wow potential sc2 pro candidate!
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I'm not even half way through and it's soo goood already :D
Thank you for the translation ^_^
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garimtoss = garimto... surely? The fact he's doing well in sc2 beta and all the interviews he had saying he might come back pro for sc2 makes me happy in the pants :D
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Germany / USA16648 Posts
smart kid, great interview, thanks for the translation mr snorlax <3
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jaedong is gonna rape this kid
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5 hatch roach with queens on 2 base? :O Is that seriously possible
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It's funny hearing him play the game completely differently than over here. Never heard of a corruptor/muta build, and the only time I hear corruptor mentioned is when people are saying the unit sucks.
Come to think of it I haven't seen anyone build extra hatches as zerg. They all hatch at nat and then play off 2 hatcheries until they get their 3rd as an afterthought
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On February 24 2010 22:03 elow wrote:
jaedong is gonna rape this kid
So blunt, so brutal, so TRUE.
Hahahahaha :D
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finaly someone who understand the game
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Zurich15325 Posts
Wow what a great read!
I am wondering how far the gameplay develops differently on different servers. For example I can't for the life of me imagine a 1 raxx expand work on US or EU b.net. Maybe all the Koreans naturally try to fast expand with all races?
5 hatches with queens sounds absolutely insane hahaha. I can hardly spend my money once I am at 2 fully saturized bases. What is that like 50 roaches per minute?
His stats are crazy as well. With that many games and a history as a top WC3 and good BW player he should know what he is talking about. Need to try more 2hatch muta I guess.
It's nice to see how quickly standard play like 13 pool emerges across realms. The pace at which this game is being figured out is amazing.
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hehe.. I (and probably most other TL's?) love all his "bashing" of war3 players. He, himself, being a good war3 player makes it more satisfying. ^-^
Also, really cool interview. He seems to understand the game relatively good compared to other peoples comments I've read.
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On February 24 2010 21:48 SoleSteeler wrote:Great interview! Show nested quote +The sound effects could be better. I think Zerg has the biggest problem there, there’s just no energy behind the unit sounds. It barely sounds like they’re responding when you click on them, and you can’t tell what unit is making what sound. There aren’t units that sound desperate or growl at you aggressively, So true!
Agreed... I'm glad the Koreans thought this too
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Braavos36374 Posts
On February 24 2010 22:07 FortuneSyn wrote:
5 hatch roach with queens on 2 base? :O Is that seriously possible
I can't imagine this is possible :p
He can't mean 5 hatches all with queens constantly using spawn larvae, the amount of larvae coming out of 5 hatchs with queens seems to outpace income from two saturated bases easily.
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Awesome, thanks for the translation. I love the jokes.
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Great interview
A true passion player
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United States33343 Posts
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are there any replays of the muta build he was talking about?
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maybe hes one of those guys that lets resources stack and then spends it all in one shot. ..
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i remember zenio.werra from wc3.. he played orc and he wasnt really a top wc3 player.. maybe in the amatures even then he was pretty average. pretty cool he doing so well at sc2
also he mentions check[pooh] who is pretty much a legend in wc3 who's still active atm (along with Moon probably the longest active korean player in the wc3 scene)
some background on some of the wc3 players for those interested
EDIT- didnt see the check interview didnt know he stopped wc3.. he's qualified for a chinese tournament, Stars war.. if he backs out WeMadeFOX.Lyn would be next in line
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Nice interview, I hope he succeeds in going pro.
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edit: nevermind ._______.
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Nice that sound issues were mentioned, awesome
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This also makes me think Terrans definitely will want to choose targets "manually" for Siege Tanks instead of "Siege mode" and "Tank mode" being the only orders for Siege Tanks
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On February 24 2010 22:26 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2010 22:07 FortuneSyn wrote:
5 hatch roach with queens on 2 base? :O Is that seriously possible I can't imagine this is possible :p He can't mean 5 hatches all with queens constantly using spawn larvae, the amount of larvae coming out of 5 hatchs with queens seems to outpace income from two saturated bases easily.
It's easy to calculate the amount of resources you get, 8 drones gather around 300 minerals according to the income tool in the replay, 16 gathers around 600, etcetc. the cap of mining per base is close to 8x3 drones, after this each drone mine 50% less since it has to wait, and it's useless to spend minerals on 8 addiotnal drones that will only give the amount of minerals of 4 normal drones. so yea close to 2k with 2 over saturated hatcheys.
No way you can support 5 hatch with queen on that.
There is allot more that doesn't make sense in this interview.
Just take his view on the protoss vs Zerg. Voidrays with a few phoenix and archons can easily destroy a pure muta/ling force, it's not even funny how badly zerg/muta die to this combo.
The most funny shit is that he actually win games by making mass roaches, zealots and immortals are the main units for the Protoss ground arny right now and totally counters this. Oh yea I forgott, the guy some how magically supports 5 hatcherys WITH queens from 1 expansion and one main thats how he can win with mass roaches haha.
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he's right about the mutas
give them hydra/roach/ling (i haven't tried corruptors yet) support and it becomes an incredibly hard to stop force
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On February 24 2010 23:06 Integra wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2010 22:26 Hot_Bid wrote:On February 24 2010 22:07 FortuneSyn wrote:
5 hatch roach with queens on 2 base? :O Is that seriously possible I can't imagine this is possible :p He can't mean 5 hatches all with queens constantly using spawn larvae, the amount of larvae coming out of 5 hatchs with queens seems to outpace income from two saturated bases easily. It's easy to calculate the amount of resources you get, 8 drones gather around 300 minerals according to the income tool in the replay, 16 gathers around 600, etcetc. the cap of mining per base is close to 8x3 drones, after this each drone mine 50% less since it has to wait, and it's useless to spend minerals on 8 addiotnal drones that will only give the amount of minerals of 4 normal drones. so yea close to 2k with 2 over saturated hatcheys. No way you can support 5 hatch with queen on that. There is allot more that doesn't make sense in this interview. Just take his view on the protoss vs Zerg. Voidrays with a few phoenix and archons can easily destroy a pure muta/ling force, it's not even funny how badly zerg/muta die to this combo. The most funny shit is that he actually win games by making mass roaches, zealots and immortals are the main units for the Protoss ground arny right now and totally counters this. Oh yea I forgott, the guy some how magically supports 5 hatcherys WITH queens from 1 expansion and one main thats how he can win with mass roaches haha.
How many hatches with queens can you support with ~20 drones per mineral field?
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I think he mean't second expo, not second base cause 5 hatch roaches + queen injecting larvae sounds impossible on just 2 bases.
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United States33343 Posts
Guys, it's a rough outline.
Take what ideas you will from it, it's not like he said "I do this exactly every game with no flexibility whatsoever." This is a guy who's #1 and gets his losses when he decides to play Terran for fun.
and yeah he probably means 2nd expansion for a total of three bases ;o
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Awesome interview! I'm really interested to hear the Korean's take on SC2.
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On February 24 2010 22:01 Carnac wrote:
smart kid
Well, I don't know how smart it is to actually dump your gf and get in trouble with your parents to put all your chances on gaming. Sounds a bit risky to me.
Pretty sure he will regret this.
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On February 24 2010 23:27 Asta wrote:Well, I don't know how smart it is to actually dump your gf and get in trouble with your parents to put all your chances on gaming. Sounds a bit risky to me. Pretty sure he will regret this.
100% agreed, lol. Dumping everything to go pro at a game when you just know thousands of others are going to try to do seems so stupid. I agree with follow your dreams and aim high etc. But as long as you consider the possibility you're not talented enough to pull it off and weigh up the pros/cons of failure -_-;;
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On February 24 2010 23:12 beetlelisk wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2010 23:06 Integra wrote:On February 24 2010 22:26 Hot_Bid wrote:On February 24 2010 22:07 FortuneSyn wrote:
5 hatch roach with queens on 2 base? :O Is that seriously possible I can't imagine this is possible :p He can't mean 5 hatches all with queens constantly using spawn larvae, the amount of larvae coming out of 5 hatchs with queens seems to outpace income from two saturated bases easily. It's easy to calculate the amount of resources you get, 8 drones gather around 300 minerals according to the income tool in the replay, 16 gathers around 600, etcetc. the cap of mining per base is close to 8x3 drones, after this each drone mine 50% less since it has to wait, and it's useless to spend minerals on 8 addiotnal drones that will only give the amount of minerals of 4 normal drones. so yea close to 2k with 2 over saturated hatcheys. No way you can support 5 hatch with queen on that. There is allot more that doesn't make sense in this interview. Just take his view on the protoss vs Zerg. Voidrays with a few phoenix and archons can easily destroy a pure muta/ling force, it's not even funny how badly zerg/muta die to this combo. The most funny shit is that he actually win games by making mass roaches, zealots and immortals are the main units for the Protoss ground arny right now and totally counters this. Oh yea I forgott, the guy some how magically supports 5 hatcherys WITH queens from 1 expansion and one main thats how he can win with mass roaches haha. How many hatches with queens can you support with ~20 drones per mineral field?
Hard to tell since I only played ladders.
With 1 base and 1 expansion I guess I could support 3 hatch and 2 queens, Don't quote me on that though, it's just an approximation, it could very well only be 2 hatch with 2 queens or a 3 hatch 1queen variation.
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On February 24 2010 23:36 Ftrunkz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2010 23:27 Asta wrote:On February 24 2010 22:01 Carnac wrote:
smart kid Well, I don't know how smart it is to actually dump your gf and get in trouble with your parents to put all your chances on gaming. Sounds a bit risky to me. Pretty sure he will regret this. 100% agreed, lol. Dumping everything to go pro at a game when you just know thousands of others are going to try to do seems so stupid. I agree with follow your dreams and aim high etc. But as long as you consider the possibility you're not talented enough to pull it off and weigh up the pros/cons of failure -_-;;
People who succeed in such endeavors rarely consider their chances. Otherwise they wouldn't exist. It's not just the destination that people experience it's the way there.
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Great, great read. Thanks so much Waxangel! =))
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Thanks for the interview, good read.
As a note, it's traditional to put things you add to a text in square brackets ("[]"), not parentheses ("()") -- this helps differentiate parentheticals in the text from your personal comments.
--oberon
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played WC3 with this guy a couple of times, obv he crushed me into the dust
really good amateur wc3 player, all of WeRRa was
thanks for the translation, nice interview
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Thanks for the interview quite awesome hearing what the koreans are taling about in sc2!
Hope the game is released before the beta players have found every single build :D :D
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On February 24 2010 23:52 oberon wrote:
Thanks for the interview, good read.
As a note, it's traditional to put things you add to a text in square brackets ("[]"), not parentheses ("()") -- this helps differentiate parentheticals in the text from your personal comments.
--oberon
LOL
-FortuneSyn
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mutalisk is so true, even in ZvT a large amount of mutalisk are hard to stop without invest a lot of gas into hunter seeker missle, and unlike irridate its so easily avoidable the only situations its really strong is when the zerg 'cant run away'
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Must be a translation error or something, b/c it isn't actually possible, per game mechanics, to effectively use 5 hatchs w/ queens off of two bases.
His little muta build will work until someone finds a solid counter, which i'm positive exists (and if it doesn't now, it will).
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Germany / USA16648 Posts
On February 24 2010 23:27 Asta wrote:Well, I don't know how smart it is to actually dump your gf and get in trouble with your parents to put all your chances on gaming. Sounds a bit risky to me. Pretty sure he will regret this.
smart when it comes to games, do I really have to mention that -.-
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Thanks for the translation good read.
Waxangel, can you find any gosu replays on that site? You're one of the very few who can translate Korean for us so I bet you could find some mind blowing material for us out there
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hmm, I better watch out for mutas
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On February 24 2010 22:03 elow wrote:
jaedong is gonna rape this kid
strong post. oh so true...
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Ty, it was a great read. (both of them) It's quite funny how wc3 players are dominating the ladders in korea while it's more the sc players in eu/us?
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hahaha these YGosu interviews are hilarious.
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On February 24 2010 23:27 Asta wrote:Well, I don't know how smart it is to actually dump your gf and get in trouble with your parents to put all your chances on gaming. Sounds a bit risky to me. Pretty sure he will regret this.
He's dropping everything to follow his dream, are you really gonna judge him for that?
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fantastic interview. Funny too :D
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Pretty good interview, thanks for the translation!
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Does he realize the average progamer barely makes any money at all and sleeps in a barracks and shares a toilet with 18 other people?
And that games are no longer fun when you play them 10 hours a day?
And that there will be at least a thousand other Koreans all putting in as many or more hours than he does?
And that progamers barely make any money at all?
And only get to work for an average of like 18 months? After training at home for no pay for years to get good enough? To work 18 months in a crowded barracks shitting in a dirty toilet for almost no money?
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The translation is fairly accurate, however there are missing lines from the interview and some translation errors.
For example, when asked about the five hatcheries, his response seemed more like four than 'Yup'.
I believe he also mentioned it was a second expansion, and slightly further elaborated on the build.
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Great read, I agree with all his issues on SC2 (mutas, sound, etc) and hope he becomes a top player!
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Wait, itsn't 1 base mass hydra rush the top zerg build? Thats all I see on the streams.
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Are there any reps of the top koreans on ygosu?
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On February 25 2010 03:54 Kentucky wrote:
Does he realize the average progamer barely makes any money at all and sleeps in a barracks and shares a toilet with 18 other people?
And that games are no longer fun when you play them 10 hours a day?
And that there will be at least a thousand other Koreans all putting in as many or more hours than he does?
And that progamers barely make any money at all?
And only get to work for an average of like 18 months? After training at home for no pay for years to get good enough? To work 18 months in a crowded barracks shitting in a dirty toilet for almost no money?
Yes, I'm sure he does know all that.
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Thanks for the interview!
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On February 25 2010 03:54 Kentucky wrote:
Does he realize the average progamer barely makes any money at all and sleeps in a barracks and shares a toilet with 18 other people?
And that games are no longer fun when you play them 10 hours a day?
And that there will be at least a thousand other Koreans all putting in as many or more hours than he does?
And that progamers barely make any money at all?
And only get to work for an average of like 18 months? After training at home for no pay for years to get good enough? To work 18 months in a crowded barracks shitting in a dirty toilet for almost no money?
Pop Idols have the same working conditions. Yet that doesn't stop them, does it?
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On February 25 2010 05:37 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2010 03:54 Kentucky wrote:
Does he realize the average progamer barely makes any money at all and sleeps in a barracks and shares a toilet with 18 other people?
And that games are no longer fun when you play them 10 hours a day?
And that there will be at least a thousand other Koreans all putting in as many or more hours than he does?
And that progamers barely make any money at all?
And only get to work for an average of like 18 months? After training at home for no pay for years to get good enough? To work 18 months in a crowded barracks shitting in a dirty toilet for almost no money? Pop Idols have the same working conditions. Yet that doesn't stop them, does it?
What the fuck are you talking about. Pop idols make way more money and dont live in such shitty conditions.
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On February 25 2010 03:54 Kentucky wrote:
Does he realize the average progamer barely makes any money at all and sleeps in a barracks and shares a toilet with 18 other people?
And that games are no longer fun when you play them 10 hours a day?
And that there will be at least a thousand other Koreans all putting in as many or more hours than he does?
And that progamers barely make any money at all?
And only get to work for an average of like 18 months? After training at home for no pay for years to get good enough? To work 18 months in a crowded barracks shitting in a dirty toilet for almost no money?
It's about the love of the game and compteition. Progamers have few material needs.
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Zenio: [...] with the Starcraft II Beta coming out and all, I told her we should break up.
Zenio: [...] the little kid in the family, wasting all of his time on video games, how that would break his parent’s hearts. I’m so sorry to them, so terribly sorry. I really want to succeed at Starcraft II so I can make my parents happy.
This is the reason why foreigners will never compare to koreans.
also, OMFG GARIMTO O_O :D
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K, that was pretty fun to read. 
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On February 25 2010 03:57 Kaosu wrote:
The translation is fairly accurate, however there are missing lines from the interview and some translation errors.
For example, when asked about the five hatcheries, his response seemed more like four than 'Yup'.
I believe he also mentioned it was a second expansion, and slightly further elaborated on the build.
Thanks for the notice, I managed to miss that one question/answer, edited it in.
Also, I think you're confusing 네 for four instead of yes.
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Sweet read, cheers Waxangel
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What a great interview and even more amazing translation. Thanks a lot!
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sorry, but this noob (yea i went there) lost all credability with
Zenio: Protoss doesn’t have anything to stop mutalisks with. I play thinking that if I can just survive the best I can with sunken colonies and zerglings, I’ll win when I get to mutas.
5 pheonix kill 10 mutalisks with 3 pheonix left over. I could understand if he said something like "Protoss doesn't have anything against early roach pressure followed by a quick switch to mutas..." but mutas are far from an unbeatable threat especially with the stargate being a pretty solid option with warp ray harass.
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actually you are the one who just lost all credibility in my eyes, lol
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i liked how he wanted to break up with gf for sc2.
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the NEW leader of platinum division one is inReacH right?
either i'm completely wrong, or TL-ers don't remember his thread
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Awesome interview, thanks.
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finally we are getting some interviews.
TL should really start interviewing our sc pros. I miss this kind of interview.
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GREAT read, thank you for the translation, and i could not AGREE MORE about zerg unit sounds (the only time i know when a unit is ready, or a building is done is the spire/mutalisk because it has this annoying screech which at first i hated from the orig sound, but now i like it, because its the only fucking one that stands out)
and desert oasis. okay, 2 entrances to my natural, fine. but i can't protect the ramp to my main either ? come on...
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On February 25 2010 09:47 Nal_rAwr wrote:
the NEW leader of platinum division one is inReacH right?
either i'm completely wrong, or TL-ers don't remember his thread
Koreans play on a different server, and thus they have different ladder rankings.
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On February 25 2010 06:34 starcraft911 wrote:sorry, but this noob (yea i went there) lost all credability with Show nested quote +Zenio: Protoss doesn’t have anything to stop mutalisks with. I play thinking that if I can just survive the best I can with sunken colonies and zerglings, I’ll win when I get to mutas. 5 pheonix kill 10 mutalisks with 3 pheonix left over. I could understand if he said something like "Protoss doesn't have anything against early roach pressure followed by a quick switch to mutas..." but mutas are far from an unbeatable threat especially with the stargate being a pretty solid option with warp ray harass.
havent played the beta myself so cant confirm, but didnt he say "muta+corrupter", and i guess the corrupters sole purpose is to kill/chase of the phoenix, enabling the mutas to harass while all the time spending his extra minerals from the gas heavy mutas on extra drones, which enables him again to take a 3rd base(which might be the highyield expo), saturate it pretty fast and go mass roaches?
might 3 base(one high yield) be able to support 4-5 hatcheries with queens pumping roaches?
I am actualyl rmoe interested how he can get away FE´ing and survives till mutas come out, i´ve only seen spinecrawlers get demolished on streams so far
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On February 24 2010 22:42 D10 wrote:
maybe hes one of those guys that lets resources stack and then spends it all in one shot. ..
I didnt get the impression of him being an idiot.
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On February 25 2010 06:34 starcraft911 wrote:sorry, but this noob (yea i went there) lost all credability with Show nested quote +Zenio: Protoss doesn’t have anything to stop mutalisks with. I play thinking that if I can just survive the best I can with sunken colonies and zerglings, I’ll win when I get to mutas. 5 pheonix kill 10 mutalisks with 3 pheonix left over. I could understand if he said something like "Protoss doesn't have anything against early roach pressure followed by a quick switch to mutas..." but mutas are far from an unbeatable threat especially with the stargate being a pretty solid option with warp ray harass.
Yeah im totally gonna take your opinion over the no.1 platinum leader in korea with most of his losses coming from offracing. You have no idea what he even means, nor do you know what build order he is talking about. How do YOU know what can stop it or not until he uses it against you. such a stupid comment.
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On February 24 2010 21:38 Waxangel wrote:
YGosu: Oh, I think I’ve lost to that a few times. Do you mean the 13 pool -> Expand -> Corruptor + Mutalisk build?
Zenio: Yeah. As you make mutas, you’ll have some extra minerals, while you don’t have enough gas. I just throw all those extra minerals into drones, and once I’ve secured my second base I can make 5 hatcheries and mass roaches in a macro game. Kind of like ZvT in Starcraft: Brood War.
YGosu: I've lost to it, and it's a really scary build. There's no real counter for that as Protoss?
Werra : Nope. You make mutas, and make a hatchery at your main, two at your natural, and two at your third base, a queen at each of them and then win like that. If you eventually take 4 gas bases, you just can't lose.
Not sure why everyone was saying how he couldn't support 5 hatches on two bases, when it's pretty clear that he said it was three base. Unless there was a mistranslation and it was edited in after the fact
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starting base - 1 hatch
natural - 2 hatch
another expansion - 2 hatch
5 hatcheries.
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very interesting read, thanks for translation. hope for more of these from the korean community
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On February 25 2010 06:34 starcraft911 wrote:sorry, but this noob (yea i went there) lost all credability with Show nested quote +Zenio: Protoss doesn’t have anything to stop mutalisks with. I play thinking that if I can just survive the best I can with sunken colonies and zerglings, I’ll win when I get to mutas. 5 pheonix kill 10 mutalisks with 3 pheonix left over. I could understand if he said something like "Protoss doesn't have anything against early roach pressure followed by a quick switch to mutas..." but mutas are far from an unbeatable threat especially with the stargate being a pretty solid option with warp ray harass.
I'm sure you know more than the top Korean Zerg player.
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Great translation. Thanks Mr. Snorlax!
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Nice read. A lot of neat insight.
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On February 25 2010 06:34 starcraft911 wrote:sorry, but this noob (yea i went there) lost all credability with Show nested quote +Zenio: Protoss doesn’t have anything to stop mutalisks with. I play thinking that if I can just survive the best I can with sunken colonies and zerglings, I’ll win when I get to mutas. 5 pheonix kill 10 mutalisks with 3 pheonix left over. I could understand if he said something like "Protoss doesn't have anything against early roach pressure followed by a quick switch to mutas..." but mutas are far from an unbeatable threat especially with the stargate being a pretty solid option with warp ray harass.
lol your a dumass. atm zerg has the best airforce in game. corruptors+muta combo aniliate any kind of air toss and terran can throw at zerg. and archons are extremly slow. and the fact that u can control a shit load of mutas and corruptors in one grouping just makes them that more powerful. and not to mention the production rate of those mutas because of spawn larva machanic. he was very correct when he said mutas are over powered in beta especially against toss. unless phoenix get some kind of splash dmg effect on them like with sairs in sc1 then they will be as usefull as scouts vs mutas were in sc1.
also about the 5 hatch thing im pretty sure he means main base +natural expo+reg expansion so he is on 3 base. and that 3rd base that he gets might be a high yied mineral base so he probably can support 5 hatch build easily from that. even with 1 queen at each expansion.
u guys should start testing it out instead of being noobs and massing tier 1 units off 1 base. this is exactly what sets foreigners apart from koreans and why koreans are better pro gamers. they actually THINK.
i see way to many noobs on these streams being complete retards. ESPECIALLY the zerg players. 1 base massing roaches without realizing they have a move while burrowed upgrade which essentially makes them super cheap dts where they can harass the hell out of expos and just so happen to have a super regeneration speed while burrowed. there HP is healed to full in a matter of seconds from a devastating atk. but ppl are so stupid they just mass roaches off one and Atk move to someones base with the occasional hit and back up micro just so they can seem pro. its not everyone on beta tho. they can at the very least get the organic carapace upgrade (which increases HP regen by a insane ammount even when not burrowed) to help with roach micro. infact this should be the very first upgrade they get if they go roaches. but most zerg ive seen just get the roach warren and thats it. mass the roaches without any upgrades from the warren at all.
but the great majority of beta ppl are stupid retards. which is why ppl like artosis and such moved up so fast in the ladder just aniliating the dumasses in beta.
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Great read. Thanks for the translation. :D
Now, onto buisness.
I don't know how accurate my input will be because I don't have Beta access, BUT I have watched a lot of streams and seen a lot of games (mostly Toss as I plan on maining them, but some of the other races).
His build seems legit. I see no reason why he couldn't pull off a 5Hatch Corrupter-Muta w/ Queen build off of three bases. And yes, in context it does say three bases; Main and two expos.
Now, phoneix, void rays, and archon combo: Seems like a great idea. I also think that Sentrys are imba versus Mutas. Anyone who doesn't realize this needs to examine the game. If you checked the help sections/unit sections/ counters, you would see that sentrys ARE the accepted counter to Muta.
Here is a GREAT post that fulfills this idea: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=113700
Muta-corrupter is not OP. Thats the bottom line.
There also seems to be a problem with the overall gameplay for SC2B in the US and Europe. Mainly, that it is Starcraft people. Play it like the original. The way he can sustain a 5 hatch-3 base muta-corrupter build is because he knows that at the meta level, SC2 is no different from SCBW. Yes, there is a heavier focus on macro over micro, but generally it is the same.
Look at any standard PvZ SCBW rep or progamer VOD. Its the same. Different units, same concept. You need to get the idea that the games are different/played differently out of your heads.
1. Expo moar
2. Pressure
3. Play modified SCBW strats
4. ???????
5. Profit
Wanna know why Koreans raep? Because they know everything by heart and don't let anything phase them. They stick to standard conventions, standard plays, and THEN deviate into new builds/tech. Don't give up strategies that took more than a decade to appear and solidify.
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Wow, this guy sounds awesome, especially when addressing strategy. Looking forward to the GARIMTO interview and this guy's appearance in the SC II Leagues! 
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errr i dont have sc2 beta, but isn't it supposed to be spelled phoenix?
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If anyone has Afreeca you can watch Zenio.WeRRa play. His BJ name is playmake12.
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with the Starcraft II Beta coming out and all, I told her we should break up.
words of a true hero
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EPT
