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Polar_Nada
United States1548 Posts
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Icx
Belgium853 Posts
Starts up starcraft 2, gets owned by everything, and then emoquits and decides not to buy it. Random WoW-player who doesn't get a beta key: Hears a lot about how great starcraft 2 is, hears about all the hype, etc. Decides to buy it to give it a go. That's how I see it. But anyway, You guys fail to realize that there is a really large amount of people playing WoW, all of them had to go onto battle.net to continue playing. Yes, all of them. Opt-in for beta's isn't specific, so most of them will have opted-in mainly for upcoming wow beta's, but at the same time they just left the checkmark for starcraft on. Let's say that in the EU + USA wow has 4Million active subcribers (just making up a number, based on the fact that in that 10-12mil number there are a lot of asian accounts + dual accounts etc). As far as I know that is a much larger amount then the active SC1 community in EU + USA. So if the process is random, and only cares about having a game added + pc-specs, then there is a much larger chance that a WoW-player gets a beta key then a SC1 player. They aren't favoring wow-players, they aren't favoring anyone + the fact that the wow community is bigger, is causing keys to end up in more wow-players their hands. And yes these people play the beta, and then give up on it. But that is actually a good thing as far as I am concerned. A blue-post that I read today states that blizzard has a certain amount of beta-testers they want, and they have a goal for the amount of testers they want for each phase. He stated that if the number of people actively playing it drops below their goals (aka people not caring about the beta anymore) then they will send out extra keys to make up for that, wich is a good thing for us | ||
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Skyze
Canada2324 Posts
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shindigs
United States4795 Posts
On February 25 2010 02:25 Skyze wrote: Yes but that is the issue.. WOW players wont help balance the game, therefor they need to do something to get more SC players in. I can't believe this argument is still being made but TL = elitist so whatever. The first few waves Blizzard has already said was meant to test the battle.net server capacity. Personally I think if they really wanted to focus on ironing out balance, they would invite much more people at once. It's standard beta procedure - invite a few people at first to see if there are any blatant problems with the server, then slowly invite more people to test the server's true capacity. | ||
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Puosu
7116 Posts
For example there was one guy who was saying that right-click should be automatically attack move because its too much work to do A + click. When you read something like that you just have to feel that its unfair you aren't in when people like this are. I know its wrong but can't do anything about it. | ||
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Zexion
Sweden971 Posts
On February 25 2010 02:23 FictionJV wrote: Random WoW-player who gets a beta key with little to no RTS-experience: Starts up starcraft 2, gets owned by everything, and then emoquits and decides not to buy it. Random WoW-player who doesn't get a beta key: Hears a lot about how great starcraft 2 is, hears about all the hype, etc. Decides to buy it to give it a go. That's how I see it. But anyway, You guys fail to realize that there is a really large amount of people playing WoW, all of them had to go onto battle.net to continue playing. Yes, all of them. Opt-in for beta's isn't specific, so most of them will have opted-in mainly for upcoming wow beta's, but at the same time they just left the checkmark for starcraft on. Let's say that in the EU + USA wow has 4Million active subcribers (just making up a number, based on the fact that in that 10-12mil number there are a lot of asian accounts + dual accounts etc). As far as I know that is a much larger amount then the active SC1 community in EU + USA. So if the process is random, and only cares about having a game added + pc-specs, then there is a much larger chance that a WoW-player gets a beta key then a SC1 player. They aren't favoring wow-players, they aren't favoring anyone + the fact that the wow community is bigger, is causing keys to end up in more wow-players their hands. And yes these people play the beta, and then give up on it. But that is actually a good thing as far as I am concerned. A blue-post that I read today states that blizzard has a certain amount of beta-testers they want, and they have a goal for the amount of testers they want for each phase. He stated that if the number of people actively playing it drops below their goals (aka people not caring about the beta anymore) then they will send out extra keys to make up for that, wich is a good thing for us +1 WoW players are many indeed. Even I used to play... So hey, if Blizzard really did favor WoW players (which I seriously doubt), it would improve my chances of getting a key! My account is frozen though... But that's just me trying to be optimistic (or desperate, call it whatever you want). It's a lottery, simple as that. At least we know that the game is finally on its way...or is it?! | ||
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Icx
Belgium853 Posts
On February 25 2010 02:34 Puosu wrote: When you read something like that you just have to feel that its unfair you aren't in when people like this are. I know its wrong but can't do anything about it. It's the same for me, everytime I read something like that I die a little inside. But I just learned to live with it, and hope that the new wave starts soon, or that there is a noticable drop in active players, so blizzard sends out more invites. But that's the way it is, it is blizzard their beta, they make the choices, not us. They want a broad spectrum of gamers, If I was blizzard, I would want to maximize my profits, and cater the game to a large audience. On one side they want the game to pick up where SC1 was in terms of competitive play, and from interviews I have seen, they get input from pro's/teams/etc on balance, and they get response from the TL crowd that is in the game. But on the other side, they also want a lot of "noobs" in, so that they can see what they can improve for them, for example, maybe that crowd wants more tutorials in the game, or something added to help them get a grasp of the basics, or just input of lesser skilled people on the ELO-system they are using. Or input how the noob-friendly/non-rush maps could be improved. Point being in this post, SC2 is not only about hardcore competitive play, they also want people who aren't to familiar with RTS'es to have their fun (such as noob-friendly maps etc), to maximize their profits. That is a big reason why they do these randoms, so they get a lot of different sorts of gamers. | ||
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Skyze
Canada2324 Posts
On February 25 2010 02:31 shindigs wrote: I can't believe this argument is still being made but TL = elitist so whatever. The first few waves Blizzard has already said was meant to test the battle.net server capacity. Personally I think if they really wanted to focus on ironing out balance, they would invite much more people at once. It's standard beta procedure - invite a few people at first to see if there are any blatant problems with the server, then slowly invite more people to test the server's true capacity. Its a legitimate arguement, im not talking about TL.. im talking SC community in general. When friggin 250 beta keys went up on ebay IN THE LAST 5 DAYS.. you know theres an issue. | ||
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St0rmRush
Brazil448 Posts
im gonna cry... so sad... why cant a C- protoss get a key? =(( | ||
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RiGun
Argentina155 Posts
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Mastermind
Canada7096 Posts
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St0rmRush
Brazil448 Posts
On February 25 2010 04:43 RiGun wrote: because iccup doesn't have anything to do with the beta? Yes. what i meant is that i could get a key instead of some WoW random player | ||
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Raelcun
United States3747 Posts
On February 25 2010 04:49 Mastermind wrote: The self importance in this thread disgusts me. This, why does everyone assume that WoW players have zero RTS experience many WoW players are casual gamers that means they play a lot of games casually so many of them are likely to have tried an RTS now and then. Just because the official beta forum is full of morons doesn't mean they're all WoW players it's just that they're the most vocal morons SC1 or WoW background it doesn't matter. Seeing all these people whine and complain saying WoW players shouldn't get into the beta is rather annoying get over yourselves. | ||
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jewce
United States68 Posts
On February 25 2010 06:02 iCCup.Raelcun wrote: This, why does everyone assume that WoW players have zero RTS experience many WoW players are casual gamers that means they play a lot of games casually so many of them are likely to have tried an RTS now and then. Just because the official beta forum is full of morons doesn't mean they're all WoW players it's just that they're the most vocal morons SC1 or WoW background it doesn't matter. Seeing all these people whine and complain saying WoW players shouldn't get into the beta is rather annoying get over yourselves. It's not so much the WoW players that are participating in the beta, it's the WoW players that opt in for the beta, get their key, and sell it. Or even worse the ones that don't even know they have a beta key sitting in their email  . | ||
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gorchiza
Bulgaria200 Posts
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Rotodyne
United States2263 Posts
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Niten
United States598 Posts
On February 25 2010 07:17 jewce wrote: It's not so much the WoW players that are participating in the beta, it's the WoW players that opt in for the beta, get their key, and sell it. Or even worse the ones that don't even know they have a beta key sitting in their email .But even in that case, the key will end up with someone who does care and is willing to spend the $$. If not, then they get it and register, never play, and don't cause the necessary stress test Blizz needs. Think about it; if the 2nd wave went out to all WoW fans (or whoever else) that opted-in and had no interest in sc2, Blizz would see that they downloaded and played a game or two, and stopped. They'd think, "obviously we need the next wave now." Every non-interested invitee means you're one step closer to being opted-in. They'll need the numbers and will invite until they get them. Of course, I think they should just give all members of TL keys for their 3rd wave  | ||
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Tdelamay
Canada548 Posts
I'm a WoW player, been for four years :D I have a shadow priest in icecrown 25 and I raid occasionally. Despite that, I still enjoy watching pro-game commentaries and I have a passion for Starcraft. It was the first game that really fascinated me. I was young, I couldn't read english, and I had no idea what a SCV was suppose to do, but I loved the game instantly. So even now, despite playing WoW, I'm yearning for a beta key to start learning the game from fresh. I'll admit that a lot of WoW players are not interested in the RTS genre, but that doesn't mean Starcraft and WoW are mutually exclusive. I know a bunch of people who are looking forward to the game. | ||
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ColorsOfRainbow
Germany354 Posts
wow + 2 add ons diablo 2 + add on wc3 + add on sc + add on i have all ^^ and no beta key  (i even have wc2 and diablo1+ hellfire here blizzard junkie ....... no key) | ||
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BladeRunner
United States407 Posts
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