EPTVerdict: Does SC2 play close to SC1? - Page 5
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InToTheWannaB
United States4770 Posts
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Qikz
United Kingdom12071 Posts
On February 18 2010 20:13 InToTheWannaB wrote: Unit positioning does not seem to matter at all from the games i watched. That seems kinda disapointing to me that there o eason to set up a good flank. Its mostly just leting to blobs clash and making your units attack the enemy unit they counter. I disagree. From what I've seen flanking is still a massive part of the game. | ||
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Konni
Germany3044 Posts
On February 18 2010 20:13 InToTheWannaB wrote: Unit positioning does not seem to matter at all from the games i've watched. That seems kinda disapointing to me that there is no reason to set up a good flank. Its mostly just leting to blobs clash and making your units attack the enemy unit they counter. From playing I'd say that's really how the majority of battles went. 1a into enemy. Only in PvP I could effectively deploy micro (hello day9  ) with some Immortals vs Stalkers.[edit] haha the guy above me disagrees. Ok maybe flanking/positioning just seemed ineffective to me. We'll see how this evolves. | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom12071 Posts
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FreshNoThyme
United States356 Posts
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RaptorX
Germany646 Posts
On February 18 2010 20:12 Tropics wrote: People saying its hard to distinguish on a stream need to realize that this really doesn't matter because they're going to use an HLTV like system so you watch the match like you're there observing it, in the game engine. We're not going to be watching the game exclusively on youtube and low quality streams like we have been for Brood War. That is, if they actually stick to what they've announced Yep I really hope so, because watching streams how they are right now is useless, u cant tell the difference between units and all the animations that buildings have can become annoying over time because you see this blur over and over again... :S | ||
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StormsInJuly
Sweden165 Posts
It's definitely faster paced, and there seem to be more options for harassing and various strategies. The protoss warpgates are awesome and have a lot of potential, and it really feels like all the units actually have a role. Ofcourse, it's far too early to say but i'm having a lotta fun trying out different tactics. | ||
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
On February 18 2010 22:54 StormsInJuly wrote: I'm gonna go ahead and say I like it more than sc1 It's definitely faster paced, and there seem to be more options for harassing and various strategies. The protoss warpgates are awesome and have a lot of potential, and it really feels like all the units actually have a role. Ofcourse, it's far too early to say but i'm having a lotta fun trying out different tactics. This. The game moves very quickly and you need to be on top of everything to stay ahead. You can easily pump units from 3 gateways and 1 base though, but you also need to use chrono boost a lot to keep pumping strong. Also it's great when Terrans do the SC1 builds (FAIL) and you walk up to their base with 3 zealots and 6 or so stalkers and you get to the wall, blink, (oh HAI!!!) and wreck the 1 tank and the 2nd that's about to come out. | ||
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PobTheCad
Australia893 Posts
On February 18 2010 20:31 RANDOMCL wrote: Nearly everyone in this thread is making it sound like we haven't had information about this game for over two YEARS. The game has went through a ton of changes, but we've seen enough gameplay to know about the things people are bitching about. I'm all for trying to make observations from streams, but people dismissing the game as "way too easy"... get real. You're watching people play the game for the very first time, against others who are playing it for the first time. SCBW 11+ years ago didn't play like it does now. The first people playing the game on day 1 weren't rolling through with 400+ APM and macroing like gods. Give it a rest and wait for information to come, or simply wait to play the damn game yourselves. the longer time goes on with blizzard the more it seems like BW was just a lucky fluke | ||
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NeoLearner
Belgium1847 Posts
On February 18 2010 20:35 RaptorX wrote: Yep I really hope so, because watching streams how they are right now is useless, u cant tell the difference between units and all the animations that buildings have can become annoying over time because you see this blur over and over again... :S According to me, this is one of the things that could just kill an RTS game. Not being able to distinguish between different units. Sometimes there is too much focus on units looking proportional and life like, that you can't see anything... But Blizzard has always paid a lot of attention to this in the past, so I'm confident it will look good and clear in higher res VOD's | ||
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
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StormsInJuly
Sweden165 Posts
On February 18 2010 23:04 Jyvblamo wrote: I find I can distinguish most units from a low quality stream, except when they're on creep. Then I don't know fuck all that's going on. This is actually a problem for me too, it's hard to read a zerg base, especially if I'm purple or something I can't even tell what I'm doing. Apparently it's easier on lower graphics settings... Luckily you don't have to babysit your base quite as much once you get used to mbs, f1 to select idle workers and hotkeying all your hatcheries etc. | ||
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FreshNoThyme
United States356 Posts
On February 18 2010 22:59 PobTheCad wrote: the longer time goes on with blizzard the more it seems like BW was just a lucky fluke I... LOL. That's all I have. I'm not saying SC2 is going to turn out as a game that'll last another 10+ years, because I have no idea. I haven't played the game, and beta just came out. However, seriously? WC2/3, D1/2, WoW... Blizzard has yet to let us down. If you're talking about the competitive "esports" world of SCBW... the players played a huge part in that. WC3 blew up for a time as well, but players moved away from the game, killing it over time. | ||
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e4e5nf3
Canada599 Posts
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synapse
China13814 Posts
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DeCoup
Australia1933 Posts
I also recommend using 0 AA. | ||
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jdr_
United States78 Posts
On February 18 2010 09:33 Skyze wrote: it'll be funny to see all the war3 players dominating the top 20 US ladder spots in afew weeks. Bank on it. At least 90%. Its the WOW players playing right now that sucks, its no question the War3 players are probably owning SC/BW players right now. As someone that was a pretty solid Ladder player on WC3:TFT that recently dropped WC3 alltogether to pick up starcraft, im kinda baffled at your comment. WC3 is the easier of the two games by far, standard play is always better than unstandard play unless you're going for a pure shock win, races like human can abandon map control indefinitely and still win because towers are fucking overpowered and have been for the last 3 years. I can tell you that as a C- zerg player i've had to master infinitely more RTS-pertinent skills than I ever had to in wc3, a game where I actually managed to use variations of fiend builds in every matchup. In WC3, map control doesn't matter(very much), macro doesn't matter, and random luck of the draw can lose you a game(tome of experience, blademaster getting a bunch of circlet drops, etc) SC players are superior. | ||
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StormsInJuly
Sweden165 Posts
(I have like 3000 games played on war3 so I am allowed to talk shit) | ||
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gumbum8
United States721 Posts
Basically, what I enjoy most about Starcraft is the difficulty it provides: you have to beat yourself before you can beat your opponent. I have sunk a ton of time in SC:BW, and will sink tons more and never pick up another game. It would be foolish to think that BW and SC2 can co-exist as competitive games: SC2 is the renaissance of our gaming world here on TL, on iCCup, on BW... It brings with it thousands of newcomers, and with them a potential for the true creation and proliferation of E-Sports around the world. I have no doubt that SC2 will succeed, at least for a little while. In a way, I see it as our "responsibility" to do the best we can to help this renaissance succeed. However, as a hardcore competitive gamer, I will be deeply saddened with the passing of the game I love. While I respect the value of SC2 as it's own game, if it doesn't offer me the same challenge that BW offered, I will be very disappointed. While I don't claim to represent anyone else's views, I think it's very important that this game has appeal to players like me, because I feel after maybe a year, it'll be people like us and those who have become like us that will remain. The game must offer a beauty beyond the pretty in the pixels. In the end of this recreation, I believe what we're hoping for in the growth of an E-sports scene is that the number of gamers who enjoy the competition, depth, and challenge will grow to such an extent that the existence of E-sports will be undeniable. While I'm not looking for an answer right away, I'd like that something to bear in mind for those who are testing the game. Please ^.^ | ||
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PobTheCad
Australia893 Posts
On February 18 2010 23:33 RANDOMCL wrote: I... LOL. That's all I have. I'm not saying SC2 is going to turn out as a game that'll last another 10+ years, because I have no idea. I haven't played the game, and beta just came out. However, seriously? WC2/3, D1/2, WoW... Blizzard has yet to let us down. If you're talking about the competitive "esports" world of SCBW... the players played a huge part in that. WC3 blew up for a time as well, but players moved away from the game, killing it over time. those games you listed weren't that great compared to BW War3 was slow and boring , WOW was casual friendly , i preferred D1 to D2 but i am probably in the minority here to me SC2 looks like blob vs blob , i have not seen any low quality stream so that aspect may be better on those settings but the game looks like a POS on low | ||
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