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LaustinSpayce
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom58 Posts
February 02 2011 16:35 GMT
#16461
On February 01 2011 08:07 Aflixion wrote:
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On January 30 2011 19:17 LaustinSpayce wrote:
Hey guys, I'm trying to find a day[9] sound bite, it's from one daily where he talks about one player doing some cutesy stuff, and he suggests the other player's strategy should be to "just go kill him". If anyone remembers a daily where he talks a lot about murderdeathkill would be grand. I hope to come back with something cool to share if I can get some help finding this. :D


The daily you're thinking about is #177: Simple Winning Techniques. One of those simple winning techniques is if your opponent is doing some cutesy stuff, just go f***ing kill him :D


Hey thanks man, greatly appreciated! :D
dementrio
Profile Joined November 2010
678 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-02 17:08:02
February 02 2011 17:06 GMT
#16462
seeking advice from bw players and ex-players. how do you use hotkeys 6-0? I guess with the left index finger, but I find them increasingly hard to use as it has to stretch further and further away from the rest position. 6 is mildly uncomfortable for me, and 8-0 are impossible without looking at the keyboard. do you have some "trick" for them?
Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
February 02 2011 17:13 GMT
#16463
Is it me, or it the constant queen production idea for Funday Monday....really fucking good?

I just won 3 games pretty easily. Playing against Protoss, I'm amazed at how many fears it removes at a fairly low cost. A Void Ray rush was comically ineffective, and even a bunch of phoenixes couldn't get much done.

What surprised me was that, though their negligible off-creep speed limits their offensive abilities, queens are amazingly cost-effective as combat units. While not as good for DPS as a Hydra, they're cheaper, have way more HP, can transfuse, and cost 0 Larva. A player who goes mass queen shuts down a lot of harassment, but can also make more drones more safely, because he has pretty decent defensive units not costing larva. With constant queen production and a well-place spine crawler, you can drone up pretty fast in relative safety.

Not to mention getting your creep spread hyper-charged.

Granted, theorycraft theorycraft theorycraft, I'm just in Platinum. But I'm really excited by these results. I may go mass queen as standard ZvP!
Cofo
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1388 Posts
February 02 2011 17:29 GMT
#16464
On February 03 2011 02:06 dementrio wrote:
seeking advice from bw players and ex-players. how do you use hotkeys 6-0? I guess with the left index finger, but I find them increasingly hard to use as it has to stretch further and further away from the rest position. 6 is mildly uncomfortable for me, and 8-0 are impossible without looking at the keyboard. do you have some "trick" for them?


As you practice moving your hand over there, a lot of it becomes muscle memory. In BW, P was probe and pylon, so after a while, making the jump from 1-5 (for army) to P became second nature. Looking down for a second isn't the end of the world, either.

Another option if you're playing on an external keyboard is to remove some keys. So if you want to use 0/9/8 keys, pop off your "-" and maybe your "+" keys. That should help you not hit the wrong keys and also provide a reference point for feeling things out.
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ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13407 Posts
February 02 2011 18:23 GMT
#16465
On February 03 2011 02:13 Ribbon wrote:
Is it me, or it the constant queen production idea for Funday Monday....really fucking good?

I just won 3 games pretty easily. Playing against Protoss, I'm amazed at how many fears it removes at a fairly low cost. A Void Ray rush was comically ineffective, and even a bunch of phoenixes couldn't get much done.

What surprised me was that, though their negligible off-creep speed limits their offensive abilities, queens are amazingly cost-effective as combat units. While not as good for DPS as a Hydra, they're cheaper, have way more HP, can transfuse, and cost 0 Larva. A player who goes mass queen shuts down a lot of harassment, but can also make more drones more safely, because he has pretty decent defensive units not costing larva. With constant queen production and a well-place spine crawler, you can drone up pretty fast in relative safety.

Not to mention getting your creep spread hyper-charged.

Granted, theorycraft theorycraft theorycraft, I'm just in Platinum. But I'm really excited by these results. I may go mass queen as standard ZvP!



No you are right I was watching root catz stream and he was winning against protoss using mass queen at the high masters level. Though to a certain extent it might be more of a metagame thing with people not knowing the proper response. Then again he did kill 5 or 6 carriers with 12 queens and transfuse.
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athief
Profile Joined November 2010
United States85 Posts
February 02 2011 18:27 GMT
#16466
On February 02 2011 13:17 Zelniq wrote:
The most important daily (252) for improving just happened. for everyone, even you top level gamers need to see it. thanks day



Gaaaah, can't look it up at work (On my phone now lol). Anyone want to explain? Please?

I mean, I can see the title, but that's like blowing a kiss to a sex fiend.
"No man yields who flies on my ship" Have [i]you[/i] scanned the island?
btlyger
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States470 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-02 18:29:03
February 02 2011 18:27 GMT
#16467
On February 03 2011 02:13 Ribbon wrote:
Is it me, or it the constant queen production idea for Funday Monday....really fucking good?

Yep 8] thats the point, koreans often are making a bunch of queens early on (I try to make it so my hatcheries are constantly doing something all game [either queens or upgrades]) it is really effective.

The "fun" part of this is when you get late queens, because then constant queen production is more of a weird thing to do. Can't wait to see it unfold, but yeah most zergs these days are making 4-5 queens pretty early on regardless.

EDIT: Forgot quote =P
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Deleted User 124618
Profile Joined November 2010
1142 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-02 18:34:41
February 02 2011 18:32 GMT
#16468
On February 03 2011 03:27 athief wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2011 13:17 Zelniq wrote:
The most important daily (252) for improving just happened. for everyone, even you top level gamers need to see it. thanks day



Gaaaah, can't look it up at work (On my phone now lol). Anyone want to explain? Please?

I mean, I can see the title, but that's like blowing a kiss to a sex fiend.


How to control your mouse properly (with visual examples), mouse accuracy, camera movement, hotkeys, "tapping". You know, stuff that lets you control things properly

Example: why edge scrolling with camera is bad, and what is the proper way.
Ponkio
Profile Joined January 2011
Italy52 Posts
February 02 2011 18:35 GMT
#16469
On February 03 2011 03:27 athief wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2011 13:17 Zelniq wrote:
The most important daily (252) for improving just happened. for everyone, even you top level gamers need to see it. thanks day



Gaaaah, can't look it up at work (On my phone now lol). Anyone want to explain? Please?

I mean, I can see the title, but that's like blowing a kiss to a sex fiend.


It's basically a daily that teach us how to move correctly our mouse, how to use hotkey properly and how to position our hands on our desk / mouse / keyboard to enhance our gaming performance.
athief
Profile Joined November 2010
United States85 Posts
February 02 2011 18:38 GMT
#16470
On February 03 2011 03:32 Greentellon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2011 03:27 athief wrote:
On February 02 2011 13:17 Zelniq wrote:
The most important daily (252) for improving just happened. for everyone, even you top level gamers need to see it. thanks day



Gaaaah, can't look it up at work (On my phone now lol). Anyone want to explain? Please?

I mean, I can see the title, but that's like blowing a kiss to a sex fiend.


How to control your mouse properly (with visual examples), mouse accuracy, camera movement, hotkeys, "tapping". You know, stuff that lets you control things properly

Example: why edge scrolling with camera is bad, and what is the proper way.



@greentellon Thanks.

Um, ok. Wow...you can teach that?
"No man yields who flies on my ship" Have [i]you[/i] scanned the island?
Deleted User 124618
Profile Joined November 2010
1142 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-02 18:40:14
February 02 2011 18:39 GMT
#16471
On February 03 2011 03:38 athief wrote:
@greentellon Thanks.

Um, ok. Wow...you can teach that?


Like Day[9] said, you need to show it, it's very, very hard to describe it in text.
shinosai
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1577 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-02 18:40:43
February 02 2011 18:40 GMT
#16472
On February 03 2011 02:13 Ribbon wrote:
Is it me, or it the constant queen production idea for Funday Monday....really fucking good?



Sort of. Mass queens have always been a pretty good addition to your unit mix, as they are indeed powerful combat units. The problem with queens is that they render you unable to play aggressively. That is to say, your opponent can expand all over the entire map and you can't do much to stop them with your slow moving army. That is the reason why blizzard lowered their speed off creep - so that they would only be used defensively.

There's all sorts of things queens can beat en masse, though, including carriers.
Be versatile, know when to retreat, and carry a big gun.
Mascherano
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Argentina1726 Posts
February 02 2011 18:46 GMT
#16473
No toss tips?
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Bisu
Mithriel
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands2969 Posts
February 02 2011 21:28 GMT
#16474
Daily #252 was awesome, always been wondering about those things!!! Thanks a lot day9!! <3

About the part with the hotkeys i have a question tho:

In the example you had your main hatch on "5" and expansion on "6". And then with the area hotkeys you bound "F2" to your mainbase. I was wondering, does it have any advantage of using F2 to go to your mainbase instead of pressing "5" twice?

There is no shame in defeat so long as the spirit is unconquered. | Cheering for Maru, Innovation and MMA!
Deleted User 108965
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1096 Posts
February 02 2011 21:32 GMT
#16475
On February 03 2011 06:28 Mithriel wrote:
Daily #252 was awesome, always been wondering about those things!!! Thanks a lot day9!! <3

About the part with the hotkeys i have a question tho:

In the example you had your main hatch on "5" and expansion on "6". And then with the area hotkeys you bound "F2" to your mainbase. I was wondering, does it have any advantage of using F2 to go to your mainbase instead of pressing "5" twice?



well if you have units or something that you want to send to your hatchery then you would want to press f2 since it doesnt select the hatchery it just puts your camera over it.
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bistri
Profile Joined November 2010
Croatia72 Posts
February 02 2011 21:43 GMT
#16476
ROOTcatz yesterday did funday mass queens on his stream, against toss with carriers, awesome game, he submitted it also
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Deleted User 124618
Profile Joined November 2010
1142 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-02 21:52:41
February 02 2011 21:48 GMT
#16477
On February 03 2011 06:28 Mithriel wrote:
Daily #252 was awesome, always been wondering about those things!!! Thanks a lot day9!! <3

About the part with the hotkeys i have a question tho:

In the example you had your main hatch on "5" and expansion on "6". And then with the area hotkeys you bound "F2" to your mainbase. I was wondering, does it have any advantage of using F2 to go to your mainbase instead of pressing "5" twice?



What about when you have 3 bases? How about 4? I have seen up to 6 bases in some Pro games. It's inefficient to hotkey them all.

What most people do instead is hotkey all CC's, Nexi and Hatcheries to same hotkey. At least, that's what I do as protoss. The benefit of this "F1/F2/F3/F4 to move to the location" is that you can easily set F2 and F3 for example as your current 2 bases that are active (or more if you have more bases). Because if all Nexi are in same hotkey, you can't use that hotkey to jump to the location of that nexus. Instead, you use the F1-F4 keys.

Remember, the location you save to F1-F4 doesn't have to be your base. It might just as well be your unit rally location, or some other place where you may want to jump on regular basis or fast.
TempO781
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States100 Posts
February 02 2011 22:40 GMT
#16478
Man that was the most personally useful Newbie Tuesdays I've seen. That was really helpful, Day! I like little tips like that. (#252)
Geniuszerg
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada454 Posts
February 02 2011 22:47 GMT
#16479
this was the only newbie tuesday ive ever watched entirely but 252 was SO GOOD! my 2nd fav daily after daily 100 xD
eLiE
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1039 Posts
February 02 2011 23:05 GMT
#16480
On February 03 2011 03:40 shinosai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2011 02:13 Ribbon wrote:
Is it me, or it the constant queen production idea for Funday Monday....really fucking good?



Sort of. Mass queens have always been a pretty good addition to your unit mix, as they are indeed powerful combat units. The problem with queens is that they render you unable to play aggressively. That is to say, your opponent can expand all over the entire map and you can't do much to stop them with your slow moving army. That is the reason why blizzard lowered their speed off creep - so that they would only be used defensively.

There's all sorts of things queens can beat en masse, though, including carriers.


this is what i've been experiencing. what i've thought about zvz is a roach based army with infestors to trap mutas and mass queens to finish them off, but it's too passive, and if they go roaches you're screwed.
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