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I don't understand how people can say he just wants money. He's put so much time into his dailies to help people out. That's his free time.
What is $5 out of your pocket. Don't go to McDonalds one time and you can help him out.
Some of these naysayers are probably the ones that won't pay $0.99 for an app on Iphone/Droid because it's too expensive.
You pay $1.59 for a 20oz Mt. Dew...
He's not trying to pilfer your wallets here. I believe that once his 'new thing' takes off, he won't need to ask for donations anymore, but this is something that will help him get to that spot. I fully support it.
The people that naysay about it don't have too. He's not forcing anyone. It took balls the size of J to do what he did, but he felt it's something that will take the next step into getting ESports into the scene.
In one year, I bet you one million people who have never played starcraft before, will do so, because of Sean Plott.
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A comparison with HD or Husky is innacurate because they are entertainers and Day[9] is more like a teacher. He surely could monetise his work with paid subscriptions, but it would make him less prominent and deprive us of his awesomeness. To get sponsors would require him to be "professional" while his casual demeanor is pretty much the soul of the show.
I see donations as if he gives us the option of paying and I surely appreciate that.
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On January 04 2011 22:52 TaKemE wrote:
Yes you can say like day9 that ppl dont have to donate but day9 have for so long been a guy who didnt like to ask for donation and then today he asks for donation and wants to live on it. I looks like he perfer to ask for money now that working to get it.
Also not long ago day9 said he was looking for a sponsor for his dailies and now he says he got offers but dont want to take them as he dont want to "sell out". I bet none would mind if he had a little sponsor logo in his dailes if that helps his income.
When day9 goes to events he for sure works hard but in the other time I dont feel like his realy that busy compare to a "Normal job" since he said his dailes takes him about 2 hours each time. I dont understand why he dont also tells us some more about all the stuff he realy wants to do with the money then just saying its going to "e-sport".
Kinda agree TaKemE, is he done with school now and is he going to focus 100% on SC2?
Dont get me wrong, i love Day9 and really think he deserves some of my support. But it does not sit right with me to donate money for food and housing to someone who is also in college. If school is his main focus, school should pay for his day to day costs. If school is done and he will focus all (or at least most) of his time on SC2 then yeah, i am willing to set up something like a recurring 5$/month donation.
But i also try to think a bit beyond Day9, i have a set amount of money i can spend on SC2, where do i spend them best? GSL premium is a given, but there are other sites/places where i could also spend them, like IEM. As said by others the best way to get SC2 into a big Esports is to show the companies that run events my support by bying premium account/tickets for thoose events.
Now, what would be the best for "e-sports growth", me putting my 5$ into IEM or helping Day9 not to starve?
Quite honestly, i would prefer if he partnered up with some major gaming site and released his dailies through that site, making me pay a monthly fee to watch them.
It is all about "where should the money go to maximise the good it will do E-sports". Sure it is just 5$ (in this example) but the theory is still the same.
Bying a premium account on somewhere to watch HQ tournament VODS:
*Organiser will get a cut. This cut will be used for employe wagees (yay!) and some % to owner as profits. They can afford to employ people, great, and they see that they can make money out of SC2 getting them to host more better and bigger events. Great.
*Rest will go to prize pool for players. Awesome, they need to eat aswell.
Handing Day9 $5 means that is 5$ of his own dollars he does not need to spend on food so he can spend them on his events instead. Basicly it is 5$ for his events. Where will theese go, who will end up with the cash in the end, because he is going to spend it on *something*. And will it be a better contribution to E-sports than somewhere else?
And then there is the long term plan, you always have to think long term. If i support an event organiser for two years i help them build up a foundation for thier league/tournament that means even if i stop after two years my money will still after that continue doing good. Or rather when i spend it, it will do good for a long time. Unless they fail and closes shop, but that is why i support them so they dont fail. What is the long-term good he has planned?
Because if it is something like a single tournament here and some fun event there, after it is over sure it was probably fun for the community, but it is mostly money gone. That is why i think the the GSL and other big tournaments are so popular, continuity and sustainability for the community and players.
This was a pretty long rambling i guess... just some thoughts, in the end i agree that everyone is free to do as they like and that is the beauty of donations. This being Day9 i will give him my support blindly before i even know what he has planned and i will set up a monthly donation as soon as i find his blooody pay-pal, but it will be very interesting to see what he has planned.
If it is showing SC2 for free at some little cinema in some backwater dump somewhere i probably wont keep donating 
And honestly, it might be better for E-sports if Sean sells his soul to highest bidding organiser out there and help create a montlhy league able to support a stable Pro-scene.
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Maybe this is the same thing Slasher said, but isn't Donation-based monetary gain the exact opposite of sports? I mean, sports survive because of the ridiculous sponsorships and selling-out that they do. That's literally why sports is so huge and powerful. I'm not sure if Donations really makes sense.
Don't get me wrong, I watch the Daily a lot, but I'll most likely donate just to support Day9 in general. And the Daily itself could certainly sustain itself on donations. But I thought the major goal of getting esports to happen IS to try to sell out as much as possible. When companies and advertisers start saying how awesome things are, they will try to market things as much as they can. Is there something I'm not understanding here?
I mean, tournaments are only run because of the awesome prize pools that companies sponsor. That sounded like partially what Day9 wanted to do, so maybe I'm just confused.
Also, after watching the Post-Mortem, I'm a little doubtful of Day9 as a director for this, quite frankly. I just hope that he gets good people to help him out. I mean if there are several projects Day9 is looking for through the online community, this honestly sounds like it could turn into a general clusterfuck.
Gosh I wish he could pull a Husky and live on YouTube sponsorships alone, but Husky has 361,420 subscribers and Day9 has only 101,736 - less than a third.
To be fair, as a lot of his stuff is on Blip.tv, so I'm sure many people are not subscribed to his channel but watch his show every day. 3k+ viewers live is nothing to scoff at.
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"Sean, however, has shown us that he can deliver time and time again"
(best quote since his announcement)
Let's do it his way
in 6 months we'll be glad we did
For those derailing the daily with argumentation:
There is no way he could function better now!+ Show Spoiler +Did you see him at dreamhack, way back at hdh (answering live right after he played his big bro and lost) even with wheat for eg? ( + Show Spoiler +I'm not gonna even gonna mention blizzcon )... and when he hosted his own!?????? get a grip! I loved everyone of them, but dude, he seemed on auto "let's get through this" hero mode... sponsoring is one of the 666 vices created by men... it's too hard to deliver under that pressure (picture a diva and violinist setting their act up for a 6 hours concert)... we would all benefit from efame crowning day9, his casting in particular would blossom like you wouldn't believe (hope he stills takes out a few pros by then too though) day9 would need "total artistic license" to be as good as he can be (as he's been already) anything less is less than he'd deserve... in order for him to be "sean", like so many before him in all walks of life, he needs to be sean. Seeing he has this opportunity he is biding his time in order to deliver! Help him, not your idea of what he should be! Donate or answer him with feedback the way he asked in the video, in any case leave the daily out of it!
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On January 04 2011 13:20 Slasher wrote:
I love Sean for all that he's done, will do, and his overall passion for eSports. But saying that...come on now. It's our job as publishers, content creators, writers, editors, streamers, producers, tournament organizers, managers, etc, to create revenue streams, not to ask for donations. Blip.tv, Justin.tv, uStream, YouTube - these services are specifically designed to make money for content creators, and it's the job of those content creators to make it work.
Husky, HD & TotalBiscuit are good examples of what I'm talking about, all working full-time as content creators (to my knowledge). Furthermore, that is also the specific job of sponsors. They are designed to fund content creators and networks so that they are economically viable for all sides. It is entirely possible to work out a scenario with a sponsor that does not impede on the content or delivery. There may be small nuances that you'd have to adjust to, but nothing out of the ordinary for the situation. We've lauded sponsors for years for entering the eSports space - why would it be any different for a talk show?
Maybe it's just me, but I feel like donations are reserved for someone falling on rough times/had a horribly damaging event happen to them, or to charities such as Child's Play and Get Well Gamers.
There have been many people who have poured their soul into eSports/Professional Gaming for a long, long time now. This should be no different.
I completely agree with this.
And I'd like to add that I prefer to donate to an organisation than to a private, because it actually supports both the organisation and the members.
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I think some people misunderstood Sean's intentions because of the way he structured what he was talking about. As far as I understand it the donation thing has nothing to do with making money, it's an offer from Day9 to get more free time for esports, because he doesn't have to work additionally to the daily for his daily meals. It has nothing to do with the big money flowing to make esports famous, it's just a way to support him and to get him more free time 
For me it's an offer, if it works and he can live from that it's great and everyone should be happy about that, if it doesn't work he has to work for his money, which is no bad thing and no one should feel bad about it if it turns out like that (which I doubt).
And I have no doubts at all that the majority of the money that is left after the necessary stuff is devoted 100% to esports and cool events like the countdown party.
I like that concept ALOT more than sponsoring his show or taking money for his dailies. If you have problems with the term donation just call it different, maybe it's more like a voluntary fee, an optional choice to pay him for his efforts. I don't understand it as a classic donation.
But that's just my interpretation I will donate for sure, not too much, and maybe not every month because I have to pay for my school too, but for me it's worth it for sure. No one should feel guilty if it doesn't work out and he doesn't get enough money, it's his experiment. You shouldn't donate if you feel poor for Sean for not getting food and slowly starving to death, that will 100% not happen.
But that misunderstanding is no reason to say the concept of his "donations" is bad, because I like it much more than sponsors or ads everywhere (the blip.tv ads are gone btw).
That's how I understand it. It's a cool offer to make more events like the countdown party and more dailies happen. Maybe it works, maybe not, but no one should feel obligated to donate anything because Day9 gets no food otherwise.
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I think Day9 should not relay only on donations, don't get me wrong I think is great ppl donates, and I'll do it myself, but imo is a too unreliable source of income for such an inportant thing as food. Idealy he should be able to make a living out off ads/sponsorships to his daylies, and casting tournies, what the heck I wouldn't mind to pay a monthly subscription, his daylies are well woth it.
I would like not only for him to make a living, but a decent one! he should not be spending everything on e-sports, its not right and in the long run will burn him out. Anyway hope him the best.
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Regarding next week's funday monday, can you do map movement without the nydus canal? Like if a toss opponent is throwing up proxy pylons, are you allowed to go kill them? Also, do you have to engage pushes in your base, or can you flank them on their way to your base?
On an unrelated note, is it good enough if the nydus play ends the game outright? I was hoping for a long epic game, but I drop with a nydus retreat while setting up a second to baneling bomb his mineral lines and people just give up.
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On January 05 2011 00:41 Arisen wrote:
Regarding next week's funday monday, can you do map movement without the nydus canal? Like if a toss opponent is throwing up proxy pylons, are you allowed to go kill them? Also, do you have to engage pushes in your base, or can you flank them on their way to your base?
On an unrelated note, is it good enough if the nydus play ends the game outright? I was hoping for a long epic game, but I drop with a nydus retreat while setting up a second to baneling bomb his mineral lines and people just give up.
Afaik, you can defend yourself normaly, but attacking must be through worms. This includes flanking(which should be easier with good worm position).
Day9 said that he wants worms, and the game MUST HAVE a point where 2 nydus are beeing created at the same time(ie. must have 2 nydus networks).
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You rule! Thanks for posting this.
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Sean is putting E-Sports and the community before himself; where his reliable source of income is going to. He asking for the people who also want to see E-Sports happen to lend a hand if possible.
He isnt doing this for money; however we are sadly forced to use it. He isnt doing it for himself. He loves this community and is giving everything to help it grow. What is there to feel angry about? His drive and passion for this is incredible. He wont burn out. He will succeed.
No one has the power to bring together and focus the community like he can and now he is taking advantage of it at the risk that if he doesnt it may never happen on the level required to bring this form of entertainment to the masses. He has a HUGE dream and its amazing he is a position to make it happen, but it requires a community effort and c'mon we know this community wins!
SEAN IS GOING ALL IN! HE HAS THIS SHIT BY THE BALLS NOW.
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"my goal is to try to bring as much money into esports as i can. not to take from you but to put in as much money as i possibly can. um, there's one issue really with all this, uh, which is that i need to eat and i need to stay alive."
see, this is my issue. show me how you intend to put money into esports before saying that some of these donations will also be used for living expenses.
as people have said day9 works 2 hours a day on his daily. if i knew now with school ending he was expanding to working 8 hours a day (the new additional six expanding the market), that'd be great. but i have no idea what he's doing with his time as he really doesn't say anything concrete.
meanwhile, in addition to saying he wants to bring as much money into esports as possible, he also says he turned down sponsorships (what? sounds like turning down money to me, and thus not bringing as much money as possible to esports) and hates the idea of selling out as he feels it would compromise his personality (there are several entertainers i can point to that show this is very much not the case, oprah's already been mentioned in this thread, i think i could also add conan o'brien, or pretty much any talk show host (though with some reservation towards jay leno), i'd also point out the beatles who actually flourished from "selling out" by evolving from a boy band to the major influence they've become).
this lack of clarity in his plans and the rejection of vague commercial involvement are the problems i have with his announcement (isn't the goal to make esports commercial anyway?), and he fails to address them to my satisfaction, making him appear unprepared to elevate esports to the level i think we all want it to be.
so i feel a donation is almost an affirmation that i'm okay with things they are now, and don't want them to grow, which isn't where i'm at.
do i support the daily? absolutely. but do i support day9's efforts to promote esports? kinda no as his rejection of sponsorship and fear of "selling out" is significantly hindering their growth (come on, almost every pro gamer is sponsored, how is that "selling out?" how is that "bad?"), and makes me nervous that any other decision or unmentioned idea he does to possibly help esports would be equally narrow-minded and have limited success.
anyway, if i felt i was donating just to support the daily. i'd be kinda fine with that, and if you want to support him and probably improve the quality of dailies, go for it. but the implication is that i'm donating to day9's vision of esports, with which i really have significant problems.
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I dont think the rejection of sponsorship is due to a fear of selling out though. Its that he wants complete freedom and control over is work without obligations. What he considers selling out and what he doesnt want to do is to start charging for his content.
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On January 05 2011 02:01 Feb wrote:
see, this is my issue. show me how you intend to put money into esports before saying that some of these donations will also be used for living expenses.
He stated that he is going to be announcing a project a month. This announcement was an announcement that there will be announcements, and shit will go down.
Wait and see what he announces and decide if you want to support those projects. Nobody said you have to donate immediately without knowing these things. Day9 will probably still need to eat in 3 weeks or so.
I'm eager to see what he has planned.
On January 05 2011 02:01 Feb wrote:
um, there's one issue really with all this, uh, which is that i need to eat and i need to stay alive."
A true zerg player at heart, Just enough to stay alive in the early game. :D
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On January 05 2011 02:11 CounterOrder wrote:
I dont think the rejection of sponsorship is due to a fear of selling out though. Its that he wants complete freedom and control over is work without obligations. What he considers selling out and what he doesnt want to do is to start charging for his content.
the way i interpretted it he considers selling out accepting sponsorship as he thinks it will somehow limit that complete freedom and control, though if all the sponsorship offers required him to start charging for content (which sounds more like a management/business proposal/offer than a sponsorship, and i'd refer to it as such) i'd agree with his decision to reject those offers (though i think he speciffically referred to not wanting banners running (guess what? livestream runs banners anyway)). which is again this vagueness issue, but i'll agree with the above poster about waiting and seeing what his plans are.
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I just watched the announcement and I see no problem whatsoever with what Sean is planning to do, and I actually think it is pretty awesome of him. He is going to put all of his own hard earned money, as well as all of his time and effort, into developing eSports. All he asks of the rest of the community is for a little bit of support to help him do so, and I don't think that is too much to ask AT ALL, not even close.
First of all, I am pretty damn sure that Sean makes more money from things like his partnership with youtube and his blip.tv vods, and things like that, then he does from donations. I can't say that with 100% certainty because obviously nobody really knows but him, but I am pretty sure he does. If that is the case, for him personally this move is actually a loss money-wise. How can people complain about this? Like I said before, he is completely devoting himself to us, the eSports community, and all he is asking for is some support. It just happens that in life everybody needs money to support themselves and that includes Sean.
The whole notion of the fact that "donations should be reserved for charities and sick people blah blah blah" (clearly paraphrasing  ) is just complete ignorance. Donations are donations, which is giving money to a cause that does not ask for your money, but you want to support it because you care about it. We all care about eSports here, or at least about StarCraft, and now we are given the perfect opportunity to really make something happen. If we really want it we all just need to shut up and help Sean make it happen.
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I really hope Sean's not going to transition into losing his whole fckin base.
(Replace with "head", "apartment", "future" as you will.)
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On January 05 2011 03:01 ApBuLLet wrote:I just watched the announcement and I see no problem whatsoever with what Sean is planning to do, and I actually think it is pretty awesome of him. He is going to put all of his own hard earned money, as well as all of his time and effort, into developing eSports. All he asks of the rest of the community is for a little bit of support to help him do so, and I don't think that is too much to ask AT ALL, not even close. First of all, I am pretty damn sure that Sean makes more money from things like his partnership with youtube and his blip.tv vods, and things like that, then he does from donations. I can't say that with 100% certainty because obviously nobody really knows but him, but I am pretty sure he does. If that is the case, for him personally this move is actually a loss money-wise. How can people complain about this? Like I said before, he is completely devoting himself to us, the eSports community, and all he is asking for is some support. It just happens that in life everybody needs money to support themselves and that includes Sean. The whole notion of the fact that "donations should be reserved for charities and sick people blah blah blah" (clearly paraphrasing ) is just complete ignorance. Donations are donations, which is giving money to a cause that does not ask for your money, but you want to support it because you care about it. We all care about eSports here, or at least about StarCraft, and now we are given the perfect opportunity to really make something happen. If we really want it we all just need to shut up and help Sean make it happen.
my concern isn't what he's doing. it's how he's doing it. read the rest of my posts for specific concerns.
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No matter how naive, crazy, or unreasonable you think it is, you have to give respect to him for going all the way and trying to make his dreams a reality.
edit: Not @ you feb. Just saying.
I wish you all the best Sean. If I think I can contribute my time to you in a worthwhile way, you will have it.
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