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On January 04 2011 14:20 Feb wrote:we're just reacting to the daily. personally i just wanna know when/if another funday will be. 
Next week, funday topic: Zerg and can't attack before you have a nydus worm up somewhere on the map. And at some point of the game you have to have 2 nydus worms spawning at the same time.
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On January 04 2011 14:37 Feb wrote: based on the ads asking for donations that wikipedia refuses to call ads. wikipedia is doing okay, but i wouldn't say it's doing great. i think it really should shift to an advertising model. the other two are essentially the same thing (as they're in partnership with each other), merchandise, and have strong support from political and corporate sponsors that get a notable benefit from their work (and day9 wasn't saying he was looking for sponsorship). not the greatest comparisons, which was kinda my point.
i was comparing day9 to webcartoonists personally, and most of them have shifted from donations to stronger advertising (take a hint wikipedia, i really wouldn't mind google ads or some other major advertiser on your site) and especially merchandising (both of which are limited options for day9 as i mentioned in my original post). Well, we on wikipedia actually met the goal. Sure one could advertise, and I'm not against doing so by any means, but we actually met the goal before the deadline so it would seem to be working out fine...
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discussions about donations aside, if we want to donate, where and how can we do it?
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What was the last daily? 231 Ret vs MC? I saw that, just checkin I dind't miss anything as I woke up at 4PM and dailies are around 12 here.
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damn, i saw someone saying that in chat. that'll make an awful funday. i already one base nydus rush most games i play as zerg anyway. and getting two nydus networks for the two worms is really gonna kill my gas probably forcing me to cut roaches for zlings.
yeah, wikipedia met the goal with those ridiculous and desperate looking banner ads they didn't call ads. seriously, google and facebook have ad systems in place that review browser history to come up with results (a practice i'm not a huge fan of but one wikipedia could certainly use), which is a model wikipedia could also adopt if not using google directly, or maybe something like project wonderful that most webcomics now use, there are a lot of options (including some i haven't even thought of i'm sure) that i think it stupid wikipedia actively ignores. heck they could probably get some sort of u.n. funding if they really wanted. but regardless i consider their operation on a much different scale than day9 and one with very different goals.
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On January 04 2011 14:45 Greentellon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2011 14:20 Feb wrote:we're just reacting to the daily. personally i just wanna know when/if another funday will be.  Next week, funday topic: Zerg and can't attack before you have a nydus worm up somewhere on the map. And at some point of the game you have to have 2 nydus worms spawning at the same time. no he said EVERY ATTACK the zerg makes needs to be made with a nydus and atleast at one point in the game you need 2nydus networks. atleast from what i understood.
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I hope he posts this on Blip, i missed the live announcement.
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eh, he should have clarified at the end anyway. guess we'll see tomorrow if he brings it up. either way. the extra 300-400 gas on that superfluous network & worm is just going to make a strategy that's actually quite good at breaking contains and winning in one attack look terrible.
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People are mostly discussing what Day[9] announced today, but no one gave an exact quote or anything. I missed it by just a few minutes and I was really hoping it would be in the archive he uploaded tonight. Unfortunately it isn't.
Can someone summarize what was said in a slightly more detailed fashion? Thanks a lot
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I too am extremely interested to see if anyone recorded Day9's announcement because I missed it. It is a shame it is not on the archive because from what I have seen on the thread it has large implications.
Anyways as a zerg player I am excited to finally try a style of play that I think has gone way underused in the game so far.
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It appears to be uploaded to blip now, "Day[9] Daily #232 - Ret vs oGsMC ZvP Analysis." gonna watch it now.
Edit: yeah, the poster below me is correct. Hopefully it is uploaded separately! I don't see wh it wouldn't be, he usually uploads everything =)
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The blip.tv doesnt have the 2011 State of Day9 bit.
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On January 04 2011 16:52 KingRajesh wrote:The blip.tv doesnt have the 2011 State of Day9 bit. 
yeah, it has Ret vs oGsMC part 2(cool i guess), but it doesn't look like he recorded state of 2011 ?
if so i really really REALLY hope someone recorded it!!!!!!! im dying to hear it
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On January 04 2011 13:20 Slasher wrote:
Maybe it's just me, but I feel like donations are reserved for someone falling on rough times/had a horribly damaging event happen to them, or to charities such as Child's Play and Get Well Gamers.
This is the big thing I want to point out. I feel like this statement is an attempt to justify the two paragraphs before it, to justify getting sponsors over the donations.
I find it extremely pretentious to state what you think donations should be reserved for, considering that donations seem more like something that should be at the discretion of the person with the money to donate, rather you aren't really in a position to say what people should donate to, as it is their money, their interests, and their decision. The thing is, people won't donate money if they don't think money is necessary. I know that statement sounds weird, because money is almost always necessary, but rather, it's not something you realize off the bat, it doesn't click immediately that Day[9] requires funding because he doesn't really talk about it. So he mentions it so people will think about it, so they'll realize money is in fact a barrier, and out of their own decision, they can fund him, but he will still give them content regardless of if they do to the best of his abilities. Asking for donations seems fine, because it's asking, and when you ask you tend to put yourself humbly in front of those you ask. When it gets bad is when people complain or criticize for not doing something they ask, particularly when they are not in a seat of power (but that usually isn't really asking, more like demanding or "asking with a catch").
So, it really isn't just you as others agree, but I have to disagree strongly, because I feel that you are, indirectly, telling me what I should do with my money when you are in no position to do so.
If you don't want to donate, I don't care, I hope I don't give the wrong impression. Donation is one of those things that I feel is about the individual's own choice and their choice alone. People choose to give to others, for various reasons. Asking for donations is somewhat taking advantage of people's generosity, but at the same time, it's not like he's going to force anyone, and in the end it is still their decision.
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On TL, donations have been a touchy subject for a while. It is a bit frowned upon to ask for donations.
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=149100#20
To clarify the official TL stance on this, requesting donations on TL pages is not permitted unless approved by an administrator. This includes your stream description or stream thread, but does not include asking on the stream itself or in the stream chat.
We may remove streams if the stream quality is affected by too many requests for donations; the focus of streams should be on gaming not making money.
Now since he is asking in his stream, it's not against any rules, but you can see why some people are still somewhat concerned. In addition, I'm pretty sure TL would give him an exception, but it's just a touchy subject for some people I guess.
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On January 04 2011 17:07 RageOverdose wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2011 13:20 Slasher wrote:
Maybe it's just me, but I feel like donations are reserved for someone falling on rough times/had a horribly damaging event happen to them, or to charities such as Child's Play and Get Well Gamers.
This is the big thing I want to point out. I feel like this statement is an attempt to justify the two paragraphs before it, to justify getting sponsors over the donations. I find it extremely pretentious to state what you think donations should be reserved for, considering that donations seem more like something that should be at the discretion of the person with the money to donate, rather you aren't really in a position to say what people should donate to, as it is their money, their interests, and their decision. The thing is, people won't donate money if they don't think money is necessary. I know that statement sounds weird, because money is almost always necessary, but rather, it's not something you realize off the bat, it doesn't click immediately that Day[9] requires funding because he doesn't really talk about it. So he mentions it so people will think about it, so they'll realize money is in fact a barrier, and out of their own decision, they can fund him, but he will still give them content regardless of if they do to the best of his abilities. Asking for donations seems fine, because it's asking, and when you ask you tend to put yourself humbly in front of those you ask. When it gets bad is when people complain or criticize for not doing something they ask, particularly when they are not in a seat of power (but that usually isn't really asking, more like demanding or "asking with a catch"). So, it really isn't just you as others agree, but I have to disagree strongly, because I feel that you are, indirectly, telling me what I should do with my money when you are in no position to do so. If you don't want to donate, I don't care, I hope I don't give the wrong impression. Donation is one of those things that I feel is about the individual's own choice and their choice alone. People choose to give to others, for various reasons. Asking for donations is somewhat taking advantage of people's generosity, but at the same time, it's not like he's going to force anyone, and in the end it is still their decision. well stated. i think i've gotten somewhat carried away with expecting more from a donation (like can i get a day9 tote bag with a donation ala pbs) and ignored the fact people are free to do with their money as they wish. that said, if day9 needs money there are several other avenues he could also turn to, and if he's as serious about esports as i assume him to be, it'd be foolish not to take advantage of every possibility. as it stands, even though i'd argue day9 to be the most high profile caster, i'd be surprised if husky wasn't making the most money as a caster (not that it really matters).
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Did everyone forget that Day9 said he wants to do this so he can devote more time to starcraft and building on all the great ideas people have come up with. It's not like he want's to take all the money and get a new car. I'm sure he will continue to live in humble accommodations and put every penny he can into making Starcraft awesome. I think a lot of people don't realize how much time and energy he has already given away for free and he still is. Nobody is required to give a dime. He said he turned down several sponsors for the daily to keep it focused on what it is, when you got bills to pay it isn't easy to just turn down money. If you want to support starcraft and you are well off financially, why not donate. If you can't or don't like the idea, then don't donate. But don't attack his character, unless you want yours attacked by 1000's of his followers.
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On January 04 2011 17:07 RageOverdose wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2011 13:20 Slasher wrote:
Maybe it's just me, but I feel like donations are reserved for someone falling on rough times/had a horribly damaging event happen to them, or to charities such as Child's Play and Get Well Gamers.
This is the big thing I want to point out. I feel like this statement is an attempt to justify the two paragraphs before it, to justify getting sponsors over the donations. I find it extremely pretentious to state what you think donations should be reserved for, considering that donations seem more like something that should be at the discretion of the person with the money to donate, rather you aren't really in a position to say what people should donate to, as it is their money, their interests, and their decision. The thing is, people won't donate money if they don't think money is necessary. I know that statement sounds weird, because money is almost always necessary, but rather, it's not something you realize off the bat, it doesn't click immediately that Day[9] requires funding because he doesn't really talk about it. So he mentions it so people will think about it, so they'll realize money is in fact a barrier, and out of their own decision, they can fund him, but he will still give them content regardless of if they do to the best of his abilities. Asking for donations seems fine, because it's asking, and when you ask you tend to put yourself humbly in front of those you ask. When it gets bad is when people complain or criticize for not doing something they ask, particularly when they are not in a seat of power (but that usually isn't really asking, more like demanding or "asking with a catch"). So, it really isn't just you as others agree, but I have to disagree strongly, because I feel that you are, indirectly, telling me what I should do with my money when you are in no position to do so. If you don't want to donate, I don't care, I hope I don't give the wrong impression. Donation is one of those things that I feel is about the individual's own choice and their choice alone. People choose to give to others, for various reasons. Asking for donations is somewhat taking advantage of people's generosity, but at the same time, it's not like he's going to force anyone, and in the end it is still their decision.
Well said my friend, well said. I myself plan to donate regularly.
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On January 04 2011 17:38 Reborn8u wrote: Did everyone forget that Day9 said he wants to do this so he can devote more time to starcraft and building on all the great ideas people have come up with. It's not like he want's to take all the money and get a new car. I'm sure he will continue to live in humble accommodations and put every penny he can into making Starcraft awesome. I think a lot of people don't realize how much time and energy he has already given away for free and he still is. Nobody is required to give a dime. He said he turned down several sponsors for the daily to keep it focused on what it is, when you got bills to pay it isn't easy to just turn down money. If you want to support starcraft and you are well off financially, why not donate. If you can't or don't like the idea, then don't donate. But don't attack his character, unless you want yours attacked by 1000's of his followers. what confuses me is how he thinks sponsors would necessarily detract? if he had several offers, he should have been able to negotiate something that he felt didn't compromise his character and everyone could benefit.
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On January 04 2011 16:48 ApBuLLet wrote: It appears to be uploaded to blip now, "Day[9] Daily #232 - Ret vs oGsMC ZvP Analysis." gonna watch it now.
Edit: yeah, the poster below me is correct. Hopefully it is uploaded separately! I don't see wh it wouldn't be, he usually uploads everything =)
Anyone (else) looking for this try:
http://www.own3d.tv/video/51761/Day9_-_let_s_make_e-sports_happen_together_in_2011
:D
sounds good to me!
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