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FieryBalrog
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States1381 Posts
August 30 2009 13:31 GMT
#561
Its ridiculously easy to solve the off-race problem. Blizzard can (and already does in War3) track what race you are when you launch a game, and keep the win-loss stats separated by race. All they have do is create and track a separate ELO for each race you play. So when you launch with your main race Protoss you get appropriate opponents, and when you launch your offrace Zerg you get matched differently. Problem solved. Lots of crying for nothing. Of course if they don't do this, that would be fucking stupid.
I will eat you alive
Krikkitone
Profile Joined April 2009
United States1451 Posts
August 30 2009 15:45 GMT
#562
Well there is the issue of what leve you start off with in your first 10 or so "off race" games.

Your "Offrace" ELL should be based on your "other race" ELL until you have at least 10 games or so with the Offrace.

ie if you have 30 Protoss games, your first Zerg game should start with the same ELL as your Protoss ELL.
redneck_mike
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States124 Posts
August 30 2009 15:50 GMT
#563
even with race separate ratings there's still something about this that makes me wanna say
im the only person i know of to overuse scouts
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
August 30 2009 16:14 GMT
#564
On August 31 2009 00:45 Krikkitone wrote:
Well there is the issue of what leve you start off with in your first 10 or so "off race" games.

Your "Offrace" ELL should be based on your "other race" ELL until you have at least 10 games or so with the Offrace.

ie if you have 30 Protoss games, your first Zerg game should start with the same ELL as your Protoss ELL.

We have no idea how the first 10 games used to determine your league level for your main are set up anyway (e.g. how it chooses opponents for it) so speculating on how it will do it for your off-race is pointless.
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Tsagacity
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States2124 Posts
August 30 2009 17:15 GMT
#565
Even if the off-race ELL starts from scratch, it shouldn't be a big deal. It's an extra 20ish games of *potential* uneven matchups for the entire lifetime of the account. Starting your offrace at your highest ELL would have the same potential too (although that way is still probably better).
"Everyone worse than me at video games is a noob. Everyone better than me doesn't have a life."
Mongery
Profile Joined May 2009
892 Posts
August 30 2009 22:31 GMT
#566
wow that would be so bad!
like if someone "STOLE" you're nickname which happens way to often, you will never be able to remake it at all ? that will really suck imo
http://www.twitch.tv/mongery_tv https://www.esportsearnings.com/players/27699-mongery-
Klockan3
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Sweden2866 Posts
August 30 2009 22:34 GMT
#567
On August 31 2009 07:31 SiGurD wrote:
wow that would be so bad!
like if someone "STOLE" you're nickname which happens way to often, you will never be able to remake it at all ? that will really suck imo

But there will be a lot more nicknames out since you aren't able to bind up a million ones yourself.
Mongery
Profile Joined May 2009
892 Posts
August 30 2009 22:54 GMT
#568
On August 31 2009 07:34 Klockan3 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2009 07:31 SiGurD wrote:
wow that would be so bad!
like if someone "STOLE" you're nickname which happens way to often, you will never be able to remake it at all ? that will really suck imo

But there will be a lot more nicknames out since you aren't able to bind up a million ones yourself.


yes but people would want to stick to their nickname used in BW/SC as they were known d as. So if people installs it fast and just "steal" or take the name, people will not have the chance to create their names they've used for ages.
http://www.twitch.tv/mongery_tv https://www.esportsearnings.com/players/27699-mongery-
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
August 30 2009 22:56 GMT
#569
There's absolutely nothing you can do about that tho?

You can't have the names carry over, there are tonnes of inactive names, tonnes of people with lots of different active names etc...
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
DeCoup
Profile Joined September 2006
Australia1933 Posts
August 30 2009 23:01 GMT
#570
Blizz has mot confirmed if Nick names are unique or not, and during the last interview in which it was mentioned they were leaning towards non-unique nicks.
"Poor guy. I really did not deserve that win. So this is what it's like to play Protoss..." - IdrA
Mongery
Profile Joined May 2009
892 Posts
August 30 2009 23:07 GMT
#571
yea but it sucks imo that people actually can take other ppls names and just has it as their own ones.
http://www.twitch.tv/mongery_tv https://www.esportsearnings.com/players/27699-mongery-
MiniRoman
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Canada3953 Posts
August 30 2009 23:09 GMT
#572
On August 31 2009 07:54 SiGurD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2009 07:34 Klockan3 wrote:
On August 31 2009 07:31 SiGurD wrote:
wow that would be so bad!
like if someone "STOLE" you're nickname which happens way to often, you will never be able to remake it at all ? that will really suck imo

But there will be a lot more nicknames out since you aren't able to bind up a million ones yourself.


yes but people would want to stick to their nickname used in BW/SC as they were known d as. So if people installs it fast and just "steal" or take the name, people will not have the chance to create their names they've used for ages.


It would be like that regardless of 1 or 50 IDs per name. First come first serve.

Some of these arguments are just getting plain retarded.
Nak Allstar.
dupsky
Profile Joined August 2009
United States14 Posts
August 30 2009 23:52 GMT
#573
the best option i have come across, to allow multiple names as well as anti-smurf protection, is what i have termed "smurf alert".........basically it is a option that EVERY player has to switch on or off (although i cant imagine why anyone would choose the latter) which allows the player to view ALL NAMES AND RANKINGS linked to the player who is in your game, or be blind to your opposition.

....best of both worlds?....(the only opposition, i can see, would be from the bottom feeders that thrive on a tilted playing field in thier favor.)
we need to loose conservatives they are ruining our country
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
August 31 2009 00:55 GMT
#574
On August 31 2009 08:52 dupsky wrote:
the best option i have come across, to allow multiple names as well as anti-smurf protection, is what i have termed "smurf alert".........basically it is a option that EVERY player has to switch on or off (although i cant imagine why anyone would choose the latter) which allows the player to view ALL NAMES AND RANKINGS linked to the player who is in your game, or be blind to your opposition.

....best of both worlds?....(the only opposition, i can see, would be from the bottom feeders that thrive on a tilted playing field in thier favor.)

This is basically sub-accounts. How would you tell which player a new account is being made by unless its tied to some master account?
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ZeitgeistMovie
Profile Joined March 2009
144 Posts
August 31 2009 01:27 GMT
#575
Lol at all noobs so afraid of getting owned that they actually encourage blizzard to milk the customers even more than they are doing.

Hey noobs, getting owned is not a bad thing. It makes you better. I am not a great player by any means but it pisses me off when I see game names like "3v3 noobs only." WTF? Don't you want to be better than you are? Every person should always stride to better themselves, whether it's something as trivial as getting better at Starcraft, or in life. So what if somone smurfs and owns you? their skills decrease with every noob they play while your skill increases. How is this a bad thing? It should be considered a privilege to play someone better than you. I bet 99% of the whiners about smurfing will never amount to anything in SC2. They're skills will stay relatively the same years into playing the game.

That said, obviously there should be a casual server for people who just want to play custom games, games with their friends and for fun. But when you enter a ladder, the main purpose is to win, to compete, to test your skills against others. Yet you noobs want the best of both world? You want ladders (which are compettitive in nature) to be noob-friendly, yet remain competitive? Isn't a newb-friendly ladder an oxymoron?

So what's with all the whining about smurfing, noob bashing, blah blah blah...Don't be scared of losing, newbs. You gain more from losing than you will ever gain from winning, even though many frown upon it, unfortunately.
The Venus Project - A resource-based economy, like SC
dupsky
Profile Joined August 2009
United States14 Posts
August 31 2009 02:02 GMT
#576
On August 31 2009 10:27 ZeitgeistMovie wrote:
Lol at all noobs so afraid of getting owned that they actually encourage blizzard to milk the customers even more than they are doing.

Hey noobs, getting owned is not a bad thing. It makes you better. I am not a great player by any means but it pisses me off when I see game names like "3v3 noobs only." WTF? Don't you want to be better than you are? Every person should always stride to better themselves, whether it's something as trivial as getting better at Starcraft, or in life. So what if somone smurfs and owns you? their skills decrease with every noob they play while your skill increases. How is this a bad thing? It should be considered a privilege to play someone better than you. I bet 99% of the whiners about smurfing will never amount to anything in SC2. They're skills will stay relatively the same years into playing the game.

That said, obviously there should be a casual server for people who just want to play custom games, games with their friends and for fun. But when you enter a ladder, the main purpose is to win, to compete, to test your skills against others. Yet you noobs want the best of both world? You want ladders (which are compettitive in nature) to be noob-friendly, yet remain competitive? Isn't a newb-friendly ladder an oxymoron?

So what's with all the whining about smurfing, noob bashing, blah blah blah...Don't be scared of losing, newbs. You gain more from losing than you will ever gain from winning, even though many frown upon it, unfortunately.


are you f...ing kidding ?????

if you need cheap wins by tricking newcomers into a annihilation fest dont try making lame excuses by telling us what is good for us.

i play games PRIMARILLY FOR THE FUN FACTOR and i rather play people my own level to try and get better at my own pace. i certainly dont need your pathetic excuses to change the game to your favor at the cost of mine.
we need to loose conservatives they are ruining our country
ZeitgeistMovie
Profile Joined March 2009
144 Posts
August 31 2009 02:08 GMT
#577
On August 31 2009 11:02 dupsky wrote:
are you f...ing kidding ?????

if you need cheap wins by tricking newcomers into a annihilation fest dont try making lame excuses by telling us what is good for us.

i play games PRIMARILLY FOR THE FUN FACTOR and i rather play people my own level to try and get better at my own pace. i certainly dont need your pathetic excuses to change the game to your favor at the cost of mine.


Moron, don't read only what you want to read.


On August 31 2009 10:27 ZeitgeistMovie wrote:
Lol at all noobs so afraid of getting owned that they actually encourage blizzard to milk the customers even more than they are doing.

Hey noobs, getting owned is not a bad thing. It makes you better. I am not a great player by any means but it pisses me off when I see game names like "3v3 noobs only." WTF? Don't you want to be better than you are? Every person should always stride to better themselves, whether it's something as trivial as getting better at Starcraft, or in life. So what if somone smurfs and owns you? their skills decrease with every noob they play while your skill increases. How is this a bad thing? It should be considered a privilege to play someone better than you. I bet 99% of the whiners about smurfing will never amount to anything in SC2. They're skills will stay relatively the same years into playing the game.

That said, obviously there should be a casual server for people who just want to play custom games, games with their friends and for fun. But when you enter a ladder, the main purpose is to win, to compete, to test your skills against others. Yet you noobs want the best of both world? You want ladders (which are compettitive in nature) to be noob-friendly, yet remain competitive? Isn't a newb-friendly ladder an oxymoron?

So what's with all the whining about smurfing, noob bashing, blah blah blah...Don't be scared of losing, newbs. You gain more from losing than you will ever gain from winning, even though many frown upon it, unfortunately.


The Venus Project - A resource-based economy, like SC
C3nsuRED_cz
Profile Joined May 2009
Czech Republic4 Posts
August 31 2009 02:09 GMT
#578
On August 31 2009 10:27 ZeitgeistMovie wrote:
Lol at all noobs so afraid of getting owned that they actually encourage blizzard to milk the customers even more than they are doing.

Hey noobs, getting owned is not a bad thing. It makes you better. I am not a great player by any means but it pisses me off when I see game names like "3v3 noobs only." WTF? Don't you want to be better than you are? Every person should always stride to better themselves, whether it's something as trivial as getting better at Starcraft, or in life. So what if somone smurfs and owns you? their skills decrease with every noob they play while your skill increases. How is this a bad thing? It should be considered a privilege to play someone better than you. I bet 99% of the whiners about smurfing will never amount to anything in SC2. They're skills will stay relatively the same years into playing the game.

That said, obviously there should be a casual server for people who just want to play custom games, games with their friends and for fun. But when you enter a ladder, the main purpose is to win, to compete, to test your skills against others. Yet you noobs want the best of both world? You want ladders (which are compettitive in nature) to be noob-friendly, yet remain competitive? Isn't a newb-friendly ladder an oxymoron?

So what's with all the whining about smurfing, noob bashing, blah blah blah...Don't be scared of losing, newbs. You gain more from losing than you will ever gain from winning, even though many frown upon it, unfortunately.

You know, there is a lot of people, who play games for fun. And then, there is a small percentage of people like you who fail at life...
PobTheCad
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Australia893 Posts
August 31 2009 02:12 GMT
#579
what about smurfing to try out different strategies?
Once again back is the incredible!
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-31 02:32:57
August 31 2009 02:29 GMT
#580
On August 31 2009 11:08 ZeitgeistMovie wrote:
Moron, don't read only what you want to read.

Because clearly people shouldn't be allowed to play casually on a ladder? Isn't that what offracing usually IS?
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