EPTwhen was the last time you actually tried to use it? it hasn't worked for me for 3 months.
One account per game - Goodbye to smurfing? - Page 28
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dNo_O
United States233 Posts
when was the last time you actually tried to use it? it hasn't worked for me for 3 months. | ||
Zelniq
United States7166 Posts
On August 27 2009 05:21 FrozenArbiter wrote: Why? You still play vs every race in my system, you just don't have to play PvP if you'd rather play TvP. PvZ PvT TvP PvR I play vs all races. If any matchup is so boring that nobody ends up playing it, isn't it a good thing that you don't have to ;p? well if blizzard doesnt let you pick your matchups, at least you can hope that blizzard is working towards making mirrors and all matchups fun.. i think it's going to be a lot better in that regard than sc1. | ||
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dupsky
United States14 Posts
smurfing must be outlawed. | ||
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Sharp-eYe
Canada642 Posts
On August 29 2009 08:03 dupsky wrote: i have never played sc, but strategy games are my favorite.....if sc2 has 1 acct. per cd key as did aoe3 i may try it....if its a totall rape the newbee policy then forget this game. smurfing must be outlawed. you should try starcraft if you like Age of Empires... its a lot better gameplay wise (graphics arent the latest though). I think the reason this decision is being flamed is because Blizzard did not explain themselves properly. For sure they have taken anonymity into consideration, and I just hope they give an answer soon :/ | ||
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Matrijs
United States147 Posts
On August 27 2009 21:29 FrozenArbiter wrote: So because I'm good at this game, I can't play for fun? What kind of twisted logic is that? Of course the stats are separate, but if my ranking or overall ELL goes down, why would I care? I don't care about having "perfect stats", I care about being able to play vs as good opponents as possible. Your argument about not being able to offrace at a lower level is a perfectly valid one, but I think when you consider the broader implications of what this does, you'll agree that your problem is outweighed by other concerns. When Blizzard makes this change, the people who are most affected are: 1) People like you, who are good at one race, but want to offrace for fun without losing rank on their main account, and without getting their mediocre offrace stomped. 2) Smurfers who want to beat up on newbies. 3) Newbies who get beat up by smurfers. Nobody cares about the concerns of smurfers who want to beat up on newbies. Those people ruin the experience for others, and I don't think their style of play is one worth protecting. So the tradeoff is between good players who want to offrace and bad/new players who don't want to get stomped by smurfs. There are two reasons we should choose to favor the concerns of bad/new players over this particular concern of players like you. First, there are many, many more bad/new players than there are good players, and it makes sense that the concerns of the many should outweigh those of the few. Second, look at the downside for each category of people. Good players who can't offrace will probably keep playing. Maybe a very few will quit, but most will just suck it up and not offrace or buy a second copy of the game if it's really that important to them to be able to offrace. Bad players or new players who get stomped on by smurfers over and over again will probably quit playing entirely. Maybe a compromise position would be to have specific rankings for each race, such that you could be a B- protoss player and a D zerg player or whatever on the same account. The key thing to keep in mind, though, is that any compromise position has to protect newbies from smurfers first, and then can empower good players to offrace second. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On August 30 2009 04:53 Matrijs wrote: Maybe a compromise position would be to have specific rankings for each race, such that you could be a B- protoss player and a D zerg player or whatever on the same account. The key thing to keep in mind, though, is that any compromise position has to protect newbies from smurfers first, and then can empower good players to offrace second. From looking at the stuff about different leagues, this seems like it could be the case. While I'm not 100% sure, I think which league you are in is tracked race-by-race, so your off-race shouldn't affect your position in your main race's league. | ||
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Krikkitone
United States1451 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On August 30 2009 06:29 Krikkitone wrote: I don't see anything in those leagues about race tracking. Well I remember seeing somewhere in one of the panels, the sample profile had "Bronze Zerg" implying that which league you're in is race-specific. | ||
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dupsky
United States14 Posts
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400lb White Girl
United States83 Posts
For instance... if I rank up to level 10 and make a new name that's level 1, my level one will still get paired up with level ~10ish or so. | ||
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TwilightStar
United States649 Posts
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Tsagacity
United States2124 Posts
On August 30 2009 08:10 400lb White Girl wrote: This is what I assume. You'll have a single account name with multiple possible screen names. Your account is what has a rating, and that rating is linked to every screen name you create. This also allows for tiered communication consisting of a mutal friends agreement between unique account names and the standard public interaction between screen names.Hmm... is it just one name? Or is it like Relic Online (Company of Heroes), where you log into your main account, and then you can select from a list of names. The ladder in that game is tied to your highest ranked name (on that account), so even if you make a new one to start smurfing to test new strats or whatnot you're still paired up with someone of like skill. For instance... if I rank up to level 10 and make a new name that's level 1, my level one will still get paired up with level ~10ish or so. This solution seems pretty obvious and Blizzard has probably already thought of it by now. Is there some other better option I'm missing? | ||
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dcttr66
United States555 Posts
On August 29 2009 08:03 dupsky wrote: i have never played sc, but strategy games are my favorite.....if sc2 has 1 acct. per cd key as did aoe3 i may try it....if its a totall rape the newbee policy then forget this game. smurfing must be outlawed. haha, see what i mean guys? even ppl who no play the game agree that there's too much damn cheating going on...quit being scam artists and play with honor! | ||
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dcttr66
United States555 Posts
"But, I think that's a good thing? Privacy is good. If you are absolutely dead set against allowing people anonymity, then you can simply have each account link to your master ID" I already mentioned that you already have more than one privacy option in wc3...for one, there is the option to not enter the chat feature, for another, there is the /dnd command which does not allow people to message you. hopefully sc2 will have a plethora of new cool commands carried over from WoW...which since it should be modeled quite well after EQ i suppose then keeping in mind EQ was miles ahead of cool chat features compared to even war3 then sc2 should have some sweet privacy options that go way beyond what war3 has. And allowing your sort of preferred anonymity is very disruptive. Players shouldn't have to do a command /account playername to get the all the player names of a player because he's got more names on his account. and Blizzard doesn't want to add another command like that. They've too much else to do. The players shouldn't have to type in a command just to figure out who their opponent is. Why bother having names at all if people are allowed to change names? Just make everyone try to figure out who everyone is is where we would be if everyone used your preferred feature. It's utter chaos. Restricting someone to one name means that he's instantly identifiable. IDK about you, but there are ways of knowing who you're talking to in real life, you can remember a person's name, you can remember their face, or their hair, maybe they have a cute body or an ugly one that really stands out...or maybe you recognize their voice...Well, it's the same thing online. People shouldn't be able to just, basically more or less SHAPESHIFT like a DS9 CHANGELING so people can't identify them. That's basically what Smurfing allows people to do. If they let you change your name every once in a while, like say, once a year or something like that, and listing their previous names, that's ok I suppose...although I would PREFER the names be permanent...I can see where it could be rather undesirable if you just couldn't think of a good name at the time and a year or two down the line you came up with a perfect name that you totally wanted to change to but couldn't. So I can see letting the player change his name, rarely. And reference his previous name on his profile. That's fine, I suppose. But you can't go letting people change their name like every 3-6 months or more often, that's just utterly ridiculous. And there should probably be a limit on how many times total you can change your account name if they did it, like, you can only change it once or twice would be best. | ||
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Tsagacity
United States2124 Posts
The only people who should be able to easily follow, interact, and recognize me whenever they want should be the people I have on a mutual friends list. The whole ugly side of smurfing comes from newbie stomping. It's perfectly fine if you don't know who you're playing against. Smurfing on it's own is harmless as long as it can't be used to newbstomp. Why try to prevent it? | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
You will be able to change your name. Most likely as many times as you want. You'll just have to pay for it. (Or at least that's the example they've used) I don't really get the whole "You can't hide IRL so why be able to hide online" argument personally :/ As I've said multiple times, I bet if Federer could pop down town anonymously, he would. /Dnd solves nothing - just because you don't want to meet every fan/person on Bnet doesn't mean you don't want to meet anyone new at all. | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
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DeCoup
Australia1933 Posts
IF you can change your name I hope it is a paid feature, and expensive enough to make people only do it if they really do want a new name and not a way to exploit. | ||
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[DUF]MethodMan
Germany1716 Posts
On August 30 2009 11:27 dcttr66 wrote: haha, see what i mean guys? even ppl who no play the game agree that there's too much damn cheating going on...quit being scam artists and play with honor! You still don't get it. The people who beat you up on ICC aren't A+ not even C probably. It's just you being completely new to SC and getting your ass handed for that. This game is way too old to just jump into the scene and be medium skilled after some months. People like me who played this game forever since it was released and never stopped are around C+/B-. According to your logic I should be around Olympic because I play this long but it's not that easy. You can't compare trash games like AoE or C&C, not even WC3 to the current state of SCs competitiveness. See people like Kolll, being 14 yrs old, playing for 1 year or some but already at the top of foreign gaming (or at least scratching it). You think this has anything to do with talent or shit? No, it's just him playing a crazy amount of games (around 1k per ICC season), watching fuckloads of replays and actually practising, not just fucking around and having fun. You can't be good, you can't even climb out D levels without serious practise and being thoughtful about your play. You don't want that? I can understand, I don't like this way either. So why don't you just get off of ICC and play on B.Net? There are loads of ppl playing the game like you do. I for myself get on Europe whenever I'm tired of laddering/getting smashed too hard. There I got several ppl to play with in a very casual environment and just fuck around. If you read and understood everything I wanted to say with this you may get to think there won't be any problem with "smurfing" (which is the completely wrong term you're using here, more appropriate would be "newb-bashing") because the game is brand new and noone will have this kinda advantage you have nowadays in SC, meaning the knowledge of several years, probably 1000s of watched VODs/replays and having played the same amount of games. In the early days of SC having several accounts was very useful and much fun because you could just fuck around. Smurfing then was a term used to describe the situation when a player would create a new ID and then maybe join some other Clan or just fuck around. Maybe you're sensitive to this but I think this was one major part of B.Net being so much fun and why in the end I kept on playing this game. | ||
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LordofToast
United Kingdom250 Posts
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