On March 14 2013 14:33 Shikyo wrote: They seriously could have used some flashbacky stuff or even some ESP flashback thingy of some very heartwarming things between Raynor and Kerrigan and then would have made the situation so that Raynor would have had to kill Kerrigan(for good). It'd have had a much much much larger impact and would actually have made sense. They also totally fail to use any tricks that make people feel "Oh Kerrigan is so adorable I wish she was my girlfriend" or just -something- even though her backstory from BW is very powerful.
Dunno... I liked most of how BW was written, but the SC2 writers probably should try learning how to make romance(and especially the development, not just "oh I love x for no good reason", you need to show things that make the viewer feel like "If I was in that situation I might be able to sacrifice myself for that person's sake". The audience is supposed to understand why Raynor would love Kerrigan, they should also make us love her as well(And a shaking ass while walking isn't really the point here). Showing vulnerability in areas that one might not think of would be a very good starting point for that, getting embarrassed over something would be another thing(difficult to really explain though).
If it seriously will be some "3 races unite against the great evil god"-story as it looks it will be, that'll be the biggest story-based disappointment since forever. If they're pushing Kerrigan + Raynor so much they might as well make it about them, that'd be somewhat creative. Maybe even making Raynor betray everyone for her or make Kerrigan be the evil god's host and force Raynor to kill her or something like that. Not just some shallow story written for second-graders and people who are afraid of crying
I don't get why people like that Mengsk is dead, he was a shining star in BW story and they just totally ruined him and then killed him off. Really tragic.
LotV: They're going to meet up at Mount Hyjal Auir to defeat Amon before he takes over the universe!!!!!!!!!
On March 14 2013 14:33 Shikyo wrote: I don't get why people like that Mengsk is dead, he was a shining star in BW story and they just totally ruined him and then killed him off. Really tragic.
Nah, the shining star of BW was totally the UED.
What did Mengsk do? Not much.
What did the UED do?
1. Show up and own everyone. This is even without all their high tech stuff is back on home, which Chris Metzen mentions in a Q&A (the UED is the most advanced, probably only second to the Xel'Naga).
2. Control a baby Overmind. Sure it wasn't perfect but they were close to controlling the Zerg.
3. The UED had interesting characters. Stukov and Dugalle (and whoever was the UED Captain guy) were fun and interesting characters. When it seemed Stukov was dying, it was a tearful moment once Dugalle realizes what he had done.
My favorite part of SC1 and BW was when we were introduced to the UED. It wasn't black and white anymore or just a "good vs evil" now it's an FFA with some gray parts (The UED themselves, at least the organization, aren't "good guys" but Stukov and Dugalle were close... they were memorable and very likeable characters with a goal that you could understand).
The UED was so good that they had to be stopped with the combined powers of Raynor, the Protoss, Mengsk, and Kerrigan working together.
If it weren't for that, the UED would be owning it up as we speak.
The UED were probably the ones that thought of Terra Tron too:
On March 14 2013 14:50 Goldfish wrote: The UED themselves, at least the organization, aren't "good guys" but Stukov and Dugalle were close...
The BW introduction makes it abundantly clear the the UED, Dugalle and Stukov are anything but the good guys. I'm not saying they weren't interesting or deep characters (they were), but really they were quite definitely bad guys in BW, if not quite at the level of chaotic evil zerg.
On March 14 2013 13:50 Shikyo wrote: Really.... bad and uninspired. Parts of the dialogue throughout the game and here as well made me laugh at how bad it was. I also don't get why Jimmy and Sarah are so loveydovey, I had a feeling that at least Kerrigan was more pragmatic than that. A reasonably mild coodere type would probably suit her better. The game's way too much about their love interest(which feels very shallow without enough basis), making it seem like it's more important than the lives of their soldiers. That Xel'Naga artifact thing at the end also was meh especially along with the dialogue. I don't get why kerrigan didn't instantly kill him when it seemed like he had a plan and was fiddling around with something. Her projectile doesn't even have a cast time.
Guess I really am not missing much by not getting HotS even though the unintentional comedy value of the cinematics was pretty good.
Seriously, it adds no depth to the story to cram so much poorly developed romance.
My only qualm with the story as a whole had more to do with gameplay. I felt like for being a swarm, you sure controlled kerrigan a lot and just got random reinforcements at will. I guess I just want to hearken back to the Sc1 days where every mission was a full on SP base building experience rather than just a OP hero running around with support troops.
Some lore choices were odd, but all in all I was super excited at the ending. I almost feel bad for Mengsk being gone because he was a such a good villain. I guess I agree with Kerrigan though, it was a long time coming.
One thing aside from what have been mentioned here has been bothering me and it's Mengsk's Diablo 3 style intermissions "today u will dead" constantly repeating as Kerry tears through his stuff. I could understand if he would gloat over it few times and sometimes in more subtle manner, but all the time?
Mengsk was never a really good villain, he was ok but never had that much of developement. The very last scene was a little bit meh, i was thinking of a "must go, my people need me"- meme.
I really liked the story and the Starcraft universe a lot but what is really annoying for me in hots is: Why the fuck is Kerrigan so nice? I mean seriously most of the time she jumps around like a 14 year old cheerleader with her first boyfriend. Yes they wanted to show that she is still a human but even after the transformation she acts too nice.
She cares about valarian, gives the terrans time to evacuate civilians and even to her subordinate, she is talking to them like employes not servans or slaves that are only living because she is allowing it.
I was hoping so much that rainor trys to kill her in the prison break scene. That she survives it barely and says "fuck that all now i´m going to kill everything with a heartbeat"
On March 14 2013 11:38 Signus wrote: It's funny how they changed stuff due to outrage.
That is an assumption and probably an unfounded one. It was clear that the leaked ending was not final and that they would change some things. With or without leaking.
On March 14 2013 16:14 USvBleakill wrote: I really liked the story and the Starcraft universe a lot but what is really annoying for me in hots is: Why the fuck is Kerrigan so nice?
Because you as the player must relate to her. You cannot expect to sell a campaign to a large audience and ask the players to relate to a cold-blooded killer.
This story is second only to the Diablo 3 story in clichés, predictability, utter dullness and overall hastened and cold narrative. It feels like the passion is completely drained from the story to make room for 1930 hollywood plot.
I was almost happy when I saw Raynor attack Kerrigan, but it turned out to be the shapeshifter Duran/Narud. Whose character has been completely destroyed in a matter of 2 missions - from mystical to boring to dead.
This however doesn't change the fact that I like the content of the missions themselves, even though they are way too easy.
And what the fuck is up with Kerrigan flying away like an angel in the ending cinematic. Why couldn't she fly like that in my missions??
On March 14 2013 16:14 USvBleakill wrote: I was hoping so much that rainor trys to kill her in the prison break scene. That she survives it barely and says "fuck that all now i´m going to kill everything with a heartbeat"
We knew in WoL what the plot for HotS and LotV will be. In a hollywood movie the lovers don't die. WTB more tragedy.
Stupid Raynor must be drinking too much whiskey, he seems to have forgotten his oath to kill Kerrigan. That was the whole epilogue of the original brood war after all.
On March 14 2013 16:48 Callynn wrote: This story is second only to the Diablo 3 story in clichés, predictability, utter dullness and overall hastened and cold narrative. It feels like the passion is completely drained from the story to make room for 1930 hollywood plot.
Yes. Like any previous Starcraft campaign. But at SC1 we were easier to impress because we were younger and now look back as if the story of SC1 was somehow better.
On March 14 2013 16:51 Callynn wrote: Stupid Raynor must be drinking too much whiskey, he seems to have forgotten his oath to kill Kerrigan. That was the whole epilogue of the original brood war after all.
We saw in Hots, that he couldn't. The oath was made as Jim was very angry about the then-recent events. After all those years, he reconsidered. And he could hardly kill the Kerrigan who freed him from prison, queen of blades or not.
On March 14 2013 16:14 USvBleakill wrote: I really liked the story and the Starcraft universe a lot but what is really annoying for me in hots is: Why the fuck is Kerrigan so nice?
Because you as the player must relate to her. You cannot expect to sell a campaign to a large audience and ask the players to relate to a cold-blooded killer.
Not sure about this. Kerrigan is in my opinion pretty similar to Darth Vader (was the good guy, gets infested by the bad guys, become the baddest of all but still have a good heart somewhere), and he is one of the most favorite characters of all time because they give him room to be bad sometimes like the scene in empire strikes back: He´s not randomly killing, but if you make a mistake you are in big trouble.
Why not torture (mentally or with psi or something dont get me wrong ) the Protoss at the start or why is there no scene with a swarm mother which says that she is not accepting Kerrigan as her queen. And dies later on.
The overarching plot is her vengance on Mengs. Why not give her more of a "you are with me and helping me to kill him ok we are fine you can live... for now...., you are not with me, well now you have to die" attitude.
On March 14 2013 16:14 USvBleakill wrote: I really liked the story and the Starcraft universe a lot but what is really annoying for me in hots is: Why the fuck is Kerrigan so nice?
Because you as the player must relate to her. You cannot expect to sell a campaign to a large audience and ask the players to relate to a cold-blooded killer.
Not sure about this. Kerrigan is in my opinion pretty similar to Darth Vader (was the good guy, gets infested by the bad guys, become the baddest of all but still have a good heart somewhere), and he is one of the most favorite characters of all time because they give him room to be bad sometimes like the scene in empire strikes back: He´s not randomly killing, but if you make a mistake you are in big trouble.
Why not torture (mentally or with psi or something dont get me wrong ) the Protoss at the start or why is there no scene with a swarm mother which says that she is not accepting Kerrigan as her queen. And dies later on.
The overarching plot is her vengance on Mengs. Why not give her more of a "you are with me and helping me to kill him ok we are fine you can live... for now...., you are not with me, well now you have to die" attitude.
In a sense, Anakin was fully rehabilitated once he saved Luke. Kerrigan on the other hand is not really good at the end of Hots.
The fun of the HotS campaign is of course to play the bad guy girl. Like WC1/2 when we could play Orc. Or undead in WC3, since the orc were a noble race after all. But you can't play a psychopath, a torturing, killing monster. Kerrigan is consumed by hatred, but not a cold-blooded killer.
On March 14 2013 16:14 USvBleakill wrote: I really liked the story and the Starcraft universe a lot but what is really annoying for me in hots is: Why the fuck is Kerrigan so nice?
Because you as the player must relate to her. You cannot expect to sell a campaign to a large audience and ask the players to relate to a cold-blooded killer.
I think part of the reason why Kerrigan changed so much was because she gained back her humanity at the start.
It´s not (only) how she interacts with the non-zergs, for me she never feels like well a queen. The talking with her crew feels more like employer/employee then all-mighty queen / servants.
For example the evolution guy (forget his name). He was the one that put her in the cocon in the first place and made her into a "monster". And the worst thing she says to him is "don´t touch me". Why not get a little more serious like "you hurt me but you are useful so i only cut you 1 arm or a leg as revenge".
On March 14 2013 11:35 Warpish wrote: I don't know what is worst. The artifact thing, Jim Raynor showing up like a cowboy in a shiny armor to save her lover (the greatest killer in the universe) or the discovery that Kerrigan can fly.
Or we get the exact same story just like the other two bliz games (D3 and war3). War3 was fine because of war2 (and war3 ending was excellent, epic, just...excellent) but hots could have been done so much better. I am so glad that i gave up on blizzard after D3.
And the flying kerrigan is just laughable, i remember that was a mission of her killing some high templar back in bw (there are some decoys of that high templar and right after you killed the last one kerrigan will arrive in an overlord), i tried to search for the name but i couldnt find it. Found this mission video instead:
On March 14 2013 11:35 Warpish wrote: I don't know what is worst. The artifact thing, Jim Raynor showing up like a cowboy in a shiny armor to save her lover (the greatest killer in the universe) or the discovery that Kerrigan can fly.
Or we get the exact same story just like the other two bliz games (D3 and war3). War3 was fine because of war2 (and war3 ending was excellent, epic, just...excellent) but hots could have been done so much better. I am so glad that i gave up on blizzard after D3.
And the flying kerrigan is just laughable, i remember that was a mission of her killing some high templar back in bw (there are some decoys of that high templar and right after you killed the last one kerrigan will arrive in an overlord), i tried to search for the name but i couldnt find it. Found this mission video instead:
Kerrigan is so much evil (bitchy) in scbw and sc2 really have dumbed down the story alot (like ALOT), bitchy kerrigan wins all my heart tbh.
I am so glad that that i gave up on blizzard after D3. I am a zerg in heart, proud to not own a copy of hots.
The story is not dumber than in SC1 or BW. Of course, now you are older as back then, and life made you bitter so you want to have a bitchy Kerrigan. Newsflash: SC2 needs to sell to a large audience, not only to SC1 fans.
If you are really a zerg at heart, you would have bought Hots regardless. (I am also one of the guys who almost exclusively plays zerg on the ladder.)
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) the Protoss at the start or why is there no scene with a swarm mother which says that she is not accepting Kerrigan as her queen. And dies later on.
