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Leukraft
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Aleixo
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BearStorm
United States795 Posts
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Vertitto
Poland750 Posts
On March 14 2013 07:04 BearStorm wrote: Well at least they changed a few of the extremely annoying details from the leaked ending. Xel' Naga artifacts makes a lot more sense than an implanted kill device. Also Kerrigan freeing the swarm is something that should maybe happen at the end of LotV so at least I'm happy they changed that. well you don't know if they'v changed it at all. btw. Shouldn't the "Heart of the Swarm" subforum be delated since HoTS is fully operational now ? | ||
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BearStorm
United States795 Posts
On March 14 2013 07:20 Vertitto wrote: well you don't know if they'v changed it at all. btw. Shouldn't the "Heart of the Swarm" subforum be delated since HoTS is fully operational now ? ????? I certainly know that they've made those changes. Sorry maybe it's not clear, but I'm comparing the cinematic in the OP to this: In which case we can clearly tell that they've made changes. Specifically I pointed out the Xel' Naga artifact and the freeing of The Swarm. | ||
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Alzadar
Canada5009 Posts
On March 14 2013 10:07 BearStorm wrote: ????? I certainly know that they've made those changes. Sorry maybe it's not clear, but I'm comparing the cinematic in the OP to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YkX4Yt4ek8 In which case we can clearly tell that they've made changes. Specifically I pointed out the Xel' Naga artifact and the freeing of The Swarm. Hmm, that's interesting. The dialogue makes more sense with the implant, why would Mengsk say he was "keeping an animal like you close to me without an insurance policy" if he's referring to Artifact? He was never keeping her close after she got infested... | ||
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n0ise
3452 Posts
funny to see that 'justice' was one of their initial ideas, until they decided to stick to vengeance | ||
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BearStorm
United States795 Posts
On March 14 2013 10:14 Alzadar wrote: Hmm, that's interesting. The dialogue makes more sense with the implant, why would Mengsk say he was "keeping an animal like you close to me without an insurance policy" if he's referring to Artifact? He was never keeping her close after she got infested... Yeah I remember thinking the same thing. Mengsk also didn't have the artifact when she was human either. Seems like they got a little sloppy with the dialogue. However, I do prefer the Xel' Naga artifact even though the implant would have been more interesting (for Mengsk's character). My problem with the implant is that it would be very difficult to believe that she wouldn't know notice it after all those years as she experienced drastic physical evolution. | ||
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Wildmoon
Thailand4189 Posts
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mGGNoRe
Australia124 Posts
Second I noticed a few differences as well I liked them too. The zerg felt quite iffy nad not scary in the leaked cinematic to me. So i'm glad they changed it! good work blizzard. | ||
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Warpish
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Signus
United States269 Posts
The zerg being free and getting justice lines were cut and for good reason, but the theming behind it is still way too prevalent throughout the campaign. Not having it stuffed down your throat at the very end is a welcome change, but the Zerg are still basically the Orcs from Warcraft 3. Amon's influence is the Burning Legion, Kerrigan is Thrall, and the whole thing makes me a little disgusted with Blizzard's writing staff for being unable to get away from telling the same damn story again and again. Blizzard ruined both the Zerg and Kerrigan for me, both of which were the most interesting parts of the Starcraft universe at the end of Brood War. Now we just have to wait 3 years for Legacy of the Void and see how this trainwreck ends. | ||
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Warpish
834 Posts
On March 14 2013 11:38 Signus wrote: It's funny how they changed stuff due to outrage. The dialogue fits a lot better with a kill device than the xel'naga artifact, but I don't think either is bad. If anything, the kill device is better because it goes really plays into Mengsk's paranoia, but it's almost impossible to imagine that it would have survived intact for so long through so many infestations. Either way, it works just so Raynor can save Kerrigan at the end, so whatever. The zerg being free and getting justice lines were cut and for good reason, but the theming behind it is still way too prevalent throughout the campaign. Not having it stuffed down your throat at the very end is a welcome change, but the Zerg are still basically the Orcs from Warcraft 3. Amon's influence is the Burning Legion, Kerrigan is Thrall, and the whole thing makes me a little disgusted with Blizzard's writing staff for being unable to tell more than one story. Blizzard ruined both the Zerg and Kerrigan for me, both of which were the most interesting parts of the Starcraft universe at the end of Brood War. Now we just have to wait 3 years for Legacy of the Void and see how this trainwreck ends. We know how it ends; at least those who played Warcraft 3 do. The three races will unite to fight Amon. It's so obvious. It's so silly. I lost hope for this trainwreck of a story. | ||
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HeeroFX
United States2704 Posts
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Goldfish
2230 Posts
On March 14 2013 11:41 Warpish wrote: We know how it ends; at least those who played Warcraft 3 do. The three races will unite to fight Amon. It's so obvious. It's so silly. I lost hope for this trainwreck of a story. At least WC3TFT's ending was really good. Click. Though in a way, it's basically the same as BW's ending (where a villain ends up winning, except it was way more epic TFT and this is coming from someone who liked SC1+BW's story better mainly because I really liked the UED and their impact on the other characters in BW). SC1 already used their "TFT ending" with BW (or you can say it's the reverse since TFT came out after BW of course), so that means SC2 is heading the way of WoW (minus Arthas getting owned by an elite army of nerds with uber loot... except said elite army of nerds got owned and we needed an NPC to help us defeat Arthas). SC2: Rise of the Scantipede... set in China! It'll be after a montage of "We've defeated the Dominion, the Hybrids, and the Dark Voice.... what is left is to explore the Planet of the Scantipedes!". The new leader of the Zerg is the son of Kerrigan and Raynor named Barrosh! And Barrosh is like a total jerk to everyone for some reason. He kidnaps baby Scantipede children and destroys the Alliance (what do we call the Alliance of Protoss, Zerg, and Terran if it happens?) innocents! Zeratul and Selendis goes neutral for some reason. Without them, who will stop Barrosh from being a jerk to the Alliance? (Actually despite that, I heard that MoP is actually really good and most WoW players really liked the expansion compared to Cataclysm and Wrath of the Lich King.) On March 14 2013 10:57 BearStorm wrote: Yeah I remember thinking the same thing. Mengsk also didn't have the artifact when she was human either. Seems like they got a little sloppy with the dialogue. However, I do prefer the Xel' Naga artifact even though the implant would have been more interesting (for Mengsk's character). My problem with the implant is that it would be very difficult to believe that she wouldn't know notice it after all those years as she experienced drastic physical evolution. I agree. In a way, it makes the Overmind "even less" badass. First you find out that he wasn't owning it up in SC1 by himself (including revolting against the Xel'Naga), and now he did a lousy job at infesting Kerrigan? | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
Guess I really am not missing much by not getting HotS even though the unintentional comedy value of the cinematics was pretty good. | ||
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TheDraken
United States640 Posts
"go fight without me kerrigan" "no jim! i'm coming to help!" -.- it would have been better if there were a few let downs in the story. like jim trying to get into the lair but ends up watching kerrigan kill mengsk from a distance and leave without acknowledging him. or just let fucking mengsk get away. or let jim raynor take some bullets in the final scene and be dead by the time she finds him. have valerian knife jim or his father. or show kerrigan killing mengsk alien style with a larva eating its way out of his chest. or have zeratul save mengsk and make everyone go "wtf is he doing??". or show kerrigan breaking into the lair to find zeratul over mengsk's dead body and say "i'm sorry kerrigan. but i couldn't let you" and watch her go ape shit crazy. just ANYTHING that's not what blizzard made. wtf. | ||
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TheDougler
Canada8302 Posts
On March 14 2013 13:20 HeeroFX wrote: Well the 3 races should unite and destroy the great evil being of Amon. Should be epic. But I hope the love of Kerrigan and Jim works out. I mean I wanted them to you know kiss and make up get married haha. Well at least the story works for someone  First of all I LOVED the game-play of the campaign, even though it was a bit easy, even on brutal. But I really wasn't a fan of all the lovey-dovey stuff between Kerrigan and Raynor. I hoped that when she became the queen of blades again Raynor'ed remember why he had vowed to kill her. Oh well. I also wish they'd had a bit more insight on the xel naga. The lack of that made the story feel kind of disjointed. With that said, they did alright. The cinematics were all amazing, and I'm glad mensk is dead. Edit: Oh, and still no Earth or really much of anything UED except Stukov. I find that to be super annoying. | ||
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PineapplePizza
United States749 Posts
On March 14 2013 14:13 TheDougler wrote: Edit: Oh, and still no Earth or really much of anything UED except Stukov. I find that to be super annoying. Stukov mentions that the UED will come back in one of the conversations, but whether that will be before someone twilight-archon superattacks Amon at the end of LotV, or not, is anyone's guess. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
Dunno... I liked most of how BW was written, but the SC2 writers probably should try learning how to make romance(and especially the development, not just "oh I love x for no good reason", you need to show things that make the viewer feel like "If I was in that situation I might be able to sacrifice myself for that person's sake". The audience is supposed to understand why Raynor would love Kerrigan, they should also make us love her as well(And a shaking ass while walking isn't really the point here). Showing vulnerability in areas that one might not think of would be a very good starting point for that, getting embarrassed over something would be another thing(difficult to really explain though). If it seriously will be some "3 races unite against the great evil god"-story as it looks it will be, that'll be the biggest story-based disappointment since forever. If they're pushing Kerrigan + Raynor so much they might as well make it about them, that'd be somewhat creative. Maybe even making Raynor betray everyone for her or make Kerrigan be the evil god's host and force Raynor to kill her or something like that. Not just some shallow story written for second-graders and people who are afraid of crying. I don't get why people like that Mengsk is dead, he was a shining star in BW story and they just totally ruined him and then killed him off. Really tragic. | ||
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trifecta
United States6795 Posts
On March 14 2013 14:33 Shikyo wrote: They seriously could have used some flashbacky stuff or even some ESP flashback thingy of some very heartwarming things between Raynor and Kerrigan and then would have made the situation so that Raynor would have had to kill Kerrigan(for good). It'd have had a much much much larger impact and would actually have made sense. They also totally fail to use any tricks that make people feel "Oh Kerrigan is so adorable I wish she was my girlfriend" or just -something- even though her backstory from BW is very powerful. Dunno... I liked most of how BW was written, but the SC2 writers probably should try learning how to make romance(and especially the development, not just "oh I love x for no good reason", you need to show things that make the viewer feel like "If I was in that situation I might be able to sacrifice myself for that person's sake". The audience is supposed to understand why Raynor would love Kerrigan, they should also make us love her as well(And a shaking ass while walking isn't really the point here). Showing vulnerability in areas that one might not think of would be a very good starting point for that, getting embarrassed over something would be another thing(difficult to really explain though). If it seriously will be some "3 races unite against the great evil god"-story as it looks it will be, that'll be the biggest story-based disappointment since forever. If they're pushing Kerrigan + Raynor so much they might as well make it about them, that'd be somewhat creative. Maybe even making Raynor betray everyone for her or make Kerrigan be the evil god's host and force Raynor to kill her or something like that. Not just some shallow story written for second-graders and people who are afraid of crying I don't get why people like that Mengsk is dead, he was a shining star in BW story and they just totally ruined him and then killed him off. Really tragic. LotV: They're going to meet up at Leading into World of Starcraft ofc. | ||
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Goldfish
2230 Posts
On March 14 2013 14:33 Shikyo wrote: I don't get why people like that Mengsk is dead, he was a shining star in BW story and they just totally ruined him and then killed him off. Really tragic. Nah, the shining star of BW was totally the UED. What did Mengsk do? Not much. What did the UED do? 1. Show up and own everyone. This is even without all their high tech stuff is back on home, which Chris Metzen mentions in a Q&A (the UED is the most advanced, probably only second to the Xel'Naga). 2. Control a baby Overmind. Sure it wasn't perfect but they were close to controlling the Zerg. 3. The UED had interesting characters. Stukov and Dugalle (and whoever was the UED Captain guy) were fun and interesting characters. When it seemed Stukov was dying, it was a tearful moment once Dugalle realizes what he had done. My favorite part of SC1 and BW was when we were introduced to the UED. It wasn't black and white anymore or just a "good vs evil" now it's an FFA with some gray parts (The UED themselves, at least the organization, aren't "good guys" but Stukov and Dugalle were close... they were memorable and very likeable characters with a goal that you could understand). The UED was so good that they had to be stopped with the combined powers of Raynor, the Protoss, Mengsk, and Kerrigan working together. If it weren't for that, the UED would be owning it up as we speak. The UED were probably the ones that thought of Terra Tron too: | ||
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dainbramage
Australia1442 Posts
On March 14 2013 14:50 Goldfish wrote: The UED themselves, at least the organization, aren't "good guys" but Stukov and Dugalle were close... The BW introduction makes it abundantly clear the the UED, Dugalle and Stukov are anything but the good guys. I'm not saying they weren't interesting or deep characters (they were), but really they were quite definitely bad guys in BW, if not quite at the level of chaotic evil zerg. | ||
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GreyKnight
United States4720 Posts
On March 14 2013 13:50 Shikyo wrote: Really.... bad and uninspired. Parts of the dialogue throughout the game and here as well made me laugh at how bad it was. I also don't get why Jimmy and Sarah are so loveydovey, I had a feeling that at least Kerrigan was more pragmatic than that. A reasonably mild coodere type would probably suit her better. The game's way too much about their love interest(which feels very shallow without enough basis), making it seem like it's more important than the lives of their soldiers. That Xel'Naga artifact thing at the end also was meh especially along with the dialogue. I don't get why kerrigan didn't instantly kill him when it seemed like he had a plan and was fiddling around with something. Her projectile doesn't even have a cast time. Guess I really am not missing much by not getting HotS even though the unintentional comedy value of the cinematics was pretty good. Seriously, it adds no depth to the story to cram so much poorly developed romance. | ||
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Xenomorph
United States137 Posts
Some lore choices were odd, but all in all I was super excited at the ending. I almost feel bad for Mengsk being gone because he was a such a good villain. I guess I agree with Kerrigan though, it was a long time coming. | ||
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NeonFlare
Finland1307 Posts
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Micro_Jackson
Germany2002 Posts
I really liked the story and the Starcraft universe a lot but what is really annoying for me in hots is: Why the fuck is Kerrigan so nice? I mean seriously most of the time she jumps around like a 14 year old cheerleader with her first boyfriend. Yes they wanted to show that she is still a human but even after the transformation she acts too nice. She cares about valarian, gives the terrans time to evacuate civilians and even to her subordinate, she is talking to them like employes not servans or slaves that are only living because she is allowing it. I was hoping so much that rainor trys to kill her in the prison break scene. That she survives it barely and says "fuck that all now i´m going to kill everything with a heartbeat" | ||
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[F_]aths
Germany3947 Posts
On March 14 2013 11:38 Signus wrote: That is an assumption and probably an unfounded one. It was clear that the leaked ending was not final and that they would change some things. With or without leaking.It's funny how they changed stuff due to outrage. | ||
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[F_]aths
Germany3947 Posts
On March 14 2013 16:14 USvBleakill wrote: I really liked the story and the Starcraft universe a lot but what is really annoying for me in hots is: Why the fuck is Kerrigan so nice? Because you as the player must relate to her. You cannot expect to sell a campaign to a large audience and ask the players to relate to a cold-blooded killer. | ||
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Callynn
Netherlands917 Posts
+ Show Spoiler [plot] + I was almost happy when I saw Raynor attack Kerrigan, but it turned out to be the shapeshifter Duran/Narud. Whose character has been completely destroyed in a matter of 2 missions - from mystical to boring to dead. This however doesn't change the fact that I like the content of the missions themselves, even though they are way too easy. And what the fuck is up with Kerrigan flying away like an angel in the ending cinematic. Why couldn't she fly like that in my missions?? | ||
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achan1058
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Callynn
Netherlands917 Posts
On March 14 2013 16:14 USvBleakill wrote: I was hoping so much that rainor trys to kill her in the prison break scene. That she survives it barely and says "fuck that all now i´m going to kill everything with a heartbeat" We knew in WoL what the plot for HotS and LotV will be. In a hollywood movie the lovers don't die. WTB more tragedy. Stupid Raynor must be drinking too much whiskey, he seems to have forgotten his oath to kill Kerrigan. That was the whole epilogue of the original brood war after all. | ||
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[F_]aths
Germany3947 Posts
On March 14 2013 16:48 Callynn wrote: This story is second only to the Diablo 3 story in clichés, predictability, utter dullness and overall hastened and cold narrative. It feels like the passion is completely drained from the story to make room for 1930 hollywood plot. Yes. Like any previous Starcraft campaign. But at SC1 we were easier to impress because we were younger and now look back as if the story of SC1 was somehow better. On March 14 2013 16:51 Callynn wrote: Stupid Raynor must be drinking too much whiskey, he seems to have forgotten his oath to kill Kerrigan. That was the whole epilogue of the original brood war after all. We saw in Hots, that he couldn't. The oath was made as Jim was very angry about the then-recent events. After all those years, he reconsidered. And he could hardly kill the Kerrigan who freed him from prison, queen of blades or not. | ||
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Micro_Jackson
Germany2002 Posts
On March 14 2013 16:29 [F_]aths wrote: Because you as the player must relate to her. You cannot expect to sell a campaign to a large audience and ask the players to relate to a cold-blooded killer. Not sure about this. Kerrigan is in my opinion pretty similar to Darth Vader (was the good guy, gets infested by the bad guys, become the baddest of all but still have a good heart somewhere), and he is one of the most favorite characters of all time because they give him room to be bad sometimes like the scene in empire strikes back: He´s not randomly killing, but if you make a mistake you are in big trouble. Why not torture (mentally or with psi or something dont get me wrong ) the Protoss at the start or why is there no scene with a swarm mother which says that she is not accepting Kerrigan as her queen. And dies later on.The overarching plot is her vengance on Mengs. Why not give her more of a "you are with me and helping me to kill him ok we are fine you can live... for now...., you are not with me, well now you have to die" attitude. | ||
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[F_]aths
Germany3947 Posts
On March 14 2013 17:12 USvBleakill wrote: Not sure about this. Kerrigan is in my opinion pretty similar to Darth Vader (was the good guy, gets infested by the bad guys, become the baddest of all but still have a good heart somewhere), and he is one of the most favorite characters of all time because they give him room to be bad sometimes like the scene in empire strikes back: He´s not randomly killing, but if you make a mistake you are in big trouble. Why not torture (mentally or with psi or something dont get me wrong ) the Protoss at the start or why is there no scene with a swarm mother which says that she is not accepting Kerrigan as her queen. And dies later on.The overarching plot is her vengance on Mengs. Why not give her more of a "you are with me and helping me to kill him ok we are fine you can live... for now...., you are not with me, well now you have to die" attitude. In a sense, Anakin was fully rehabilitated once he saved Luke. Kerrigan on the other hand is not really good at the end of Hots. The fun of the HotS campaign is of course to play the bad | ||
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chaosfreak11
Singapore367 Posts
On March 14 2013 16:29 [F_]aths wrote: Because you as the player must relate to her. You cannot expect to sell a campaign to a large audience and ask the players to relate to a cold-blooded killer. I think part of the reason why Kerrigan changed so much was because she gained back her humanity at the start. | ||
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Strut
United States182 Posts
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Micro_Jackson
Germany2002 Posts
For example the evolution guy (forget his name). He was the one that put her in the cocon in the first place and made her into a "monster". And the worst thing she says to him is "don´t touch me". Why not get a little more serious like "you hurt me but you are useful so i only cut you 1 arm or a leg as revenge". | ||
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
On March 14 2013 11:35 Warpish wrote: I don't know what is worst. The artifact thing, Jim Raynor showing up like a cowboy in a shiny armor to save her lover (the greatest killer in the universe) or the discovery that Kerrigan can fly. Or we get the exact same story just like the other two bliz games (D3 and war3). War3 was fine because of war2 (and war3 ending was excellent, epic, just...excellent) but hots could have been done so much better. I am so glad that i gave up on blizzard after D3. And the flying kerrigan is just laughable, i remember that was a mission of her killing some high templar back in bw (there are some decoys of that high templar and right after you killed the last one kerrigan will arrive in an overlord), i tried to search for the name but i couldnt find it. Found this mission video instead: + Show Spoiler + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bI7nUlsu9Y Kerrigan is so much evil (bitchy) in scbw and sc2 really have dumbed down the story alot (like ALOT), bitchy kerrigan wins all my heart tbh. I am so glad that that i gave up on blizzard after D3. I am a zerg in heart, proud to not own a copy of hots. edit: Aldaris was the dude ha. | ||
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[F_]aths
Germany3947 Posts
On March 14 2013 17:53 BurningSera wrote: Or we get the exact same story just like the other two bliz games (D3 and war3). War3 was fine because of war2 (and war3 ending was excellent, epic, just...excellent) but hots could have been done so much better. I am so glad that i gave up on blizzard after D3. And the flying kerrigan is just laughable, i remember that was a mission of her killing some high templar back in bw (there are some decoys of that high templar and right after you killed the last one kerrigan will arrive in an overlord), i tried to search for the name but i couldnt find it. Found this mission video instead: + Show Spoiler + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bI7nUlsu9Y Kerrigan is so much evil (bitchy) in scbw and sc2 really have dumbed down the story alot (like ALOT), bitchy kerrigan wins all my heart tbh. I am so glad that that i gave up on blizzard after D3. I am a zerg in heart, proud to not own a copy of hots. The story is not dumber than in SC1 or BW. Of course, now you are older as back then, and life made you bitter so you want to have a bitchy Kerrigan. Newsflash: SC2 needs to sell to a large audience, not only to SC1 fans. If you are really a zerg at heart, you would have bought Hots regardless. (I am also one of the guys who almost exclusively plays zerg on the ladder.) | ||
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
On March 14 2013 18:06 [F_]aths wrote: The story is not dumber than in SC1 or BW. Of course, now you are older as back then, and life made you bitter so you want to have a bitchy Kerrigan. Newsflash: SC2 needs to sell to a large audience, not only to SC1 fans. If you are really a zerg at heart, you would have bought Hots regardless. (I am also one of the guys who almost exclusively plays zerg on the ladder.) I would rather give up the game completely to play the game that is going to pain me. WoL was bad but I could take it (screw terran i dont care) but i will regret everyday if i bought hots. No money to blizzard who produced game like this, just no. Also, please watch that video, it is only 4mins long. | ||
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Kuni
Austria765 Posts
The cinematics looked good, but boy was the story fucking horrible. Really bad. Uniting the swarm was of course cool, finding out about the roots of Zerg existance was also cool, but that's about it. The Dominion part was just lame and anti-climactic. Completely worthless. Mengsk never felt interesting or menacing. The story never made it seem like as if Mengsk actually had anything to show as a surprise. Also, no unexpected plot twists at all, just some small fry things, which were brought to you by captain obvious the minute you were introduced to it. Narud died the most anti-climactic death ever. And yeah, we found out that there's a bad dude lurking inside the void. Well hello mr. fancypants. They're just copying the shit out of the things they already made. What the fuck is that -.- | ||
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unkkz
Norway2196 Posts
Also still no mentioning of Durant from BW? Before SC2 was released i was really curious about if he would appear since he was so damn cryptic in the BW campaign. | ||
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GizmoPT
Portugal3040 Posts
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On March 14 2013 16:14 USvBleakill wrote: Mengsk was never a really good villain, he was ok but never had that much of developement. The very last scene was a little bit meh, i was thinking of a "must go, my people need me"- meme. I really liked the story and the Starcraft universe a lot but what is really annoying for me in hots is: Why the fuck is Kerrigan so nice? I mean seriously most of the time she jumps around like a 14 year old cheerleader with her first boyfriend. Yes they wanted to show that she is still a human but even after the transformation she acts too nice. She cares about valarian, gives the terrans time to evacuate civilians and even to her subordinate, she is talking to them like employes not servans or slaves that are only living because she is allowing it. I was hoping so much that rainor trys to kill her in the prison break scene. That she survives it barely and says "fuck that all now i´m going to kill everything with a heartbeat" Most annoying thing about Kerrigan is that back when she was a human she gave off an impression of a strong, devoted person who still wasn't overly serious, seemed quite chill with a sense of humor. Her current character just doesn't really fit in, and I don't see how becoming a Zerg queen would develop her in this direction. In SC campaign back when she was still a human Kerrigan was a total boss. On March 14 2013 17:11 [F_]aths wrote: Yes. Like any previous Starcraft campaign. But at SC1 we were easier to impress because we were younger and now look back as if the story of SC1 was somehow better. Hm I was 19 when I finished SC1 campaign for the first time, it really is far better. Both Raynor and Kerrigan are actually boss characters unlike this shallow mess of SC2. On March 14 2013 16:29 [F_]aths wrote: Because you as the player must relate to her. You cannot expect to sell a campaign to a large audience and ask the players to relate to a cold-blooded killer. This isn't true, you only need to show little bits of humanity. Cold-blooded killers can actually be very attractive and popular characters. It's a lot easier to "relate" to a well-written character than a badly written one. Also that BEAMU-showoff between Kerrigan and Narud was hilariously dumb. Made Kerrigan also seem kind of weak; Vegeta would have Final Flashed that shit into outer space. | ||
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Thalandros
Netherlands1151 Posts
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On March 14 2013 18:56 Thalandros wrote: I really liked the outcome of the campaign. leaves a lot of questions for what will happen and what will you fight against as Protoss in the next ''chapter''? I would've liked to see more interaction between Jim and Kerrigan though, maybe especially in that last scene. Felt kind of.. Empty.I also didn't really like her turning into the queen of blades again after ~4 missions. I really liked her as.. the human Sarah kerrigan again. :p It does? Didn't they make it completely obvious who you'll be fighting against, even announcing the name? | ||
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paralleluniverse
4065 Posts
On March 14 2013 18:42 unkkz wrote: Blizzard hasn´t written a good story arc since vanilla WoW pretty much. Haven't bought Hots and probably won´t either and watching this and reading the comments i am not surprised the story is bad. Still pissed at how bad and cliché the Diablo 3 storyline was compared to D2. Also still no mentioning of Durant from BW? Before SC2 was released i was really curious about if he would appear since he was so damn cryptic in the BW campaign. Vanilla WoW? Vanilla WoW had no story. Also Narud is Duran. How much more obvious does it need to be? | ||
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Micro_Jackson
Germany2002 Posts
A missed opportunity to have a "counterpart" with her because as the boring xel naga villain pointed out nova is what kerrigan could be without the zerg infestation. | ||
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[F_]aths
Germany3947 Posts
On March 14 2013 18:13 BurningSera wrote: As I finished the campaign (on normal mode) the same night Hots was launched, I already saw that video. I don't play the campaign to see videos however, I want to beat the missions and get all achievements.I would rather give up the game completely to play the game that is going to pain me. WoL was bad but I could take it (screw terran i dont care) but i will regret everyday if i bought hots. No money to blizzard who produced game like this, just no. Also, please watch that video, it is only 4mins long. | ||
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[F_]aths
Germany3947 Posts
On March 14 2013 18:46 Shikyo wrote: Most annoying thing about Kerrigan is that back when she was a human she gave off an impression of a strong, devoted person who still wasn't overly serious, seemed quite chill with a sense of humor. Her current character just doesn't really fit in, and I don't see how becoming a Zerg queen would develop her in this direction. In SC campaign back when she was still a human Kerrigan was a total boss. Hm I was 19 when I finished SC1 campaign for the first time, it really is far better. Both Raynor and Kerrigan are actually boss characters unlike this shallow mess of SC2. This isn't true, you only need to show little bits of humanity. Cold-blooded killers can actually be very attractive and popular characters. It's a lot easier to "relate" to a well-written character than a badly written one. Also that BEAMU-showoff between Kerrigan and Narud was hilariously dumb. Made Kerrigan also seem kind of weak; Vegeta would have Final Flashed that shit into outer space. That beam thing at least allowed for a new type of mission. I doubt that cool-blooded killers are attractive to the general audience HotS is targeting at. I was 21 when I played the SC1 campaign and found it dull and bad then. But the setting was nice (the ingame graphics with dried-out bones of ancient animals and so on.) The terran story: We REBEL (oho, we REBEL) with "this is Jimmy" against the bad confederacy. I wanted to play with blind obedience to my superiors and not REBEL versus the authorities. But I had no choice ... so okay we join Mensk but, surprise, surprise! It turns out he is a tyrant and he used us. Beside having the entire SC setting being a 40K rip-off, plus a bit Starship Troopers and Alien, the story was even more unoriginal and full of cliches. Remember "this is Jimmy" meeting Sarah? Cliche, oh the cliche. I still liked the missions. | ||
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ppshchik
United States862 Posts
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nihlon
Sweden5581 Posts
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BurgerFreak
Denmark37 Posts
The Inauguration Watch this ending cinematic... It's from 1997.... 1997 !!!!! Imagine if we had a cinematic like this with todays CGI graphics... The entire Starcraft Universe and lore is captured in this very cinematic... It's about RACES, wars.. not about individuals.. But SC2 went an entirely other way with the story telling  ! | ||
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CYFAWS
Sweden275 Posts
I expected this super cheesiness so i was hellbent on enjoying it anyway and just shrugged away all the bitterness and hatred i feel because of their complete rape of my all time favorite videogame character, kerrigan. Like that, i could enjoy the final revenge on mengsk, the reunion of raynor and sarah etc. But now when i'm done i feel dirty. I forced myself to enjoy watching blizzard assraping the love of my life. | ||
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CYFAWS
Sweden275 Posts
human kerrigan sc1: awesome cocky spacepunk. sc2: nice dream girl redhead. infested kerrigan sc1: pure manipulative lying sadistic evil. sc2: straight forward hell commander, into nice dream girl zerghead it's so fucking bad i'm about to hurl. stop raping my childhood blizzard | ||
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True_Spike
Poland3415 Posts
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Chaoticrun
3 Posts
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Qikz
United Kingdom12022 Posts
On March 14 2013 21:51 Chaoticrun wrote: I don't understand how Raynor can be an ally with Kerrigan. In wol he says that his crew's war is about saving lives yet in hots he becomes an ally with kerrigan that issues orders for the destruction of whole terran planets, kills general Warfield and other terrans left and right Kerrigan attacks warfield as she needs to retake Char and he wouldn't let her until he died. Also she lets all the people who are not already dead escape, it shows that her humanity has been slightly returned to her. Raynor is also a hypocrite as throughout the entirety of SC1, BW and WoL he's killing other terrans and protoss people :p | ||
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HeeroFX
United States2704 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Look personally I would have prefered her maintain her human form, and she uses the zerg with the help of the hyperion to save Jim, for the first half of the game, and then the second half of the game join in a civil war with prince valerian, kerrigan's zerg and jim. I think it would be more interesting if kerrigan wasn't presented as a all powerful being but someone who is vulnerble. I found Jim in WoL more interesting because of the vulnerbility. Jim drank, he loved, he lost. and at the end of the day all he cared about was getting Kerrigan back, moving to a place he could live in peace with her. I think i would take zeratual, kerrigan and Jim Raynor and use them to ultimately unite the races to kill Amon in the 3rd game. Where you have to take those 3 heroes and convince each faction leaders, (Valerian, Broodmother, golden armada admirals( whoever leads them).) And once you have them all you engage in a big fight to kill Amon. | ||
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rpgalon
Brazil1069 Posts
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Micro_Jackson
Germany2002 Posts
he is just an old man with a prophecy I really hope he stays that way in Legacy of the void. And not turning into Shepard with a psiblade and his ultimate mision to unite blablabla. | ||
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GizmoPT
Portugal3040 Posts
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
On March 14 2013 23:39 GizmoPT wrote: fenix should come back in a immortal lol jk and kill kerrigan "They won't expect him to return from the dead a second time! Ahah!" ^new blizzards idea of a "plot twist" just like stukov returning from the dead. | ||
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Cereb
Denmark3388 Posts
In general, the cinematics of this game are the best I have ever seen in a game! So bloody cool all of them were! | ||
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rpgalon
Brazil1069 Posts
On March 14 2013 23:33 USvBleakill wrote: I really hope he stays that way in Legacy of the void. And not turning into Shepard with a psiblade and his ultimate mision to unite blablabla. I just wanna see a protoss hero kicking some ass, their race was supposed to have a lot of amazing fighters, yet, the only thing I saw in the campaign was protoss heroes getting their asses kicked. | ||
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
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GizmoPT
Portugal3040 Posts
On March 15 2013 00:14 Kennigit wrote: Blizzard's cinematics really are S-Class....It's unfortunate that the story and dialogue is so awkward and obvious. At one point i thought it was nostalgia, but i read through the diablo 1 manual recently and the stories were so much darker and mature. People like to whip out the "blame metzen", but he was around then too (he even drew a bunch of the original concepts). Don't have enough information on what has changed, but the story/direction of the games is far more predictable, and less emotional than it used to be (maybe we're all just getting older??). ye we are turning into those "in my day things were better" old ppl ;< | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom12022 Posts
On March 14 2013 23:52 BlackPaladin wrote: "They won't expect him to return from the dead a second time! Ahah!" ^new blizzards idea of a "plot twist" just like stukov returning from the dead. Stukov coming back is quite possibly one of the best things about HoTS <3 | ||
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GizmoPT
Portugal3040 Posts
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251
United States1401 Posts
The writing was deeper and darker back then. Even Mengsk they talk about as this manipulative, strategic genius, but nothing he does in SC2 would lead you to believe it. Only in SC and BW would you know how great a character he was. The HOTS campaign isn't too bad as long as Raynor and Kerrigan aren't in the same scene. Then it's just cringe worthy. | ||
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hitthat
Poland2260 Posts
On March 15 2013 00:22 Qikz wrote: Stukov coming back is quite possibly one of the best things about HoTS <3 sure, why not? Who doesnt love the LICHE KING SYNDROME FFS!!!??? WAIT! ME, FOR EXAMPLE! | ||
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Rabiator
Germany3948 Posts
"wielding powers I cannot imagine" ... oh c'mon, as queen of Blades she has seen A LOT and should be able to imagine quite a lot and if that unkown enemy had such powers they would wipe the floor with everyone. Get some quality insurance for that story department please Blizzard. | ||
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stichtom
Italy695 Posts
http://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLTI8JYhYf2_WkVhtW63eZXttRVI2RrZCN | ||
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
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phyvo
United States5635 Posts
On March 14 2013 23:33 USvBleakill wrote: I really hope he stays that way in Legacy of the void. And not turning into Shepard with a psiblade and his ultimate mision to unite blablabla. Considering that LotV is supposed to have a political theme (at least when they discussed it years ago) and Zeratul is the main protoss character I think your hope is pretty much doomed. | ||
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gedatsu
1286 Posts
On March 14 2013 11:41 Warpish wrote: We know how it ends; at least those who played Warcraft 3 do. The three races will unite to fight Amon. It's so obvious. It's so silly. I lost hope for this trainwreck of a story. They will gather all the probes in a huge tree, and that will kill Amon. | ||
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therockmanxx
Peru1174 Posts
Oh I know Fenix is dead but What about a Fenix's son ? He was like 200 years old .. u tell me he didnt have any son in that time xD | ||
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ProbeEtPylon
168 Posts
I like the Multiplayer though | ||
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voltaic
1071 Posts
it's still a bit weird but i am pleasantly surprised that they removed the stupid lines, the clone/memory (a quote doesn't make sense now tho) and this "the zerg a free now <333" etc. still, i got a question: all the ingame cinematics are now just video files? in wol my computer died rendering those ingame scenes on the fly, now they are just like mp4.files lol. is it just me? i am installing hots from the disk right now, i had some bugs on wol (and on hots now too) which hopefully will go away... back to topic: visually it was great and i thought right from the start, december 2010, that the leak was real. and it was so crappy storywise that i was sure blizz would keep it, but it improved. maybe they realized the quality issue of it themselves or checked the negative feedback on it. thrilled for legacy of the void! and hoping to not spoil myself again :D | ||
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Rabiator
Germany3948 Posts
On March 15 2013 02:57 ProbeEtPylon wrote: I've never played the SC1 campaign. Why exactly did she want her vengeance? Because he is the reason she became a Zerg? Because he supposedly killed Raynor? So in HotS Kerrigan (who regained some of her human consciousness) kills thousands of men, zerg and protoss in order to repay Mengks, who brought stability to the human race during a time of chaos, for her own pitiful fate? AND RADIANT KNIGHT RAYNOR HELPED HER? For love? Killing life for love and vengeance? Either I missed something in the SC1 story or this story is just pathetic. I like the Multiplayer though Mengsk left Kerrigan on a planet that was being overrun by the Zerg. She was left to die (and you can see that moment in the WoL cinematics) but captured instead and turned into a "monster" by the Overmind. I'd be pretty pissed too at someone who could have prevented that and didnt ... after all the Zerg - and Mengsk's deluded belief that he could control them - caused a few planets to "die". | ||
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HeroMystic
United States1217 Posts
On March 15 2013 01:55 Osmoses wrote: Gameplay-wize I thought HOTS was much better than WoL. Storywise it started strong and then went to shit somewhere in the middle. There is a long list of problems with the plot, and I can't believe they kept the leaked end cinematic, but overall it was a pretty good time. I'll have to disagree. I found WoL's mission structure to be stronger than HOTS. The RPG-like elements in HOTS was okay but I prefer the aspect of using money and upgrading your units, having to pick and choose what you need. Also? HOTS was pretty damn easy, even on Brutal Mode. I started out on Normal, then bumped it to Hard, then bumped it to Brutal. It all felt pretty natural to me and even though there's a few close calls thanks to lack of minerals, it was just too macro-oriented. WoL did a helluva lot better job with not allowing you to just macro your way to victory, and feeling pressured to go out an explore and take advantage of grabbing mineral/gas packs. On March 15 2013 03:57 Rabiator wrote: Mengsk left Kerrigan on a planet that was being overrun by the Zerg. She was left to die (and you can see that moment in the WoL cinematics) but captured instead and turned into a "monster" by the Overmind. I'd be pretty pissed too at someone who could have prevented that and didnt ... after all the Zerg - and Mengsk's deluded belief that he could control them - caused a few planets to "die". Also a lot of people don't realize this, but the Zerg in general are naturally driven to kill, which is what possessed Kerrigan to kill many lives back in SC1/BW: she found pleasure in it. This seems to not exist with the Primal Zerg though, as they show a much stronger form of intelligence. That said I found HOTS' story to pretty bad. If people thought SC/BW's story was bad I'd say "It's your opinion", and I'd say the same for WoL as well, but HOTS... was just bad. It's not the cliches that made it bad (which, by the way, doesn't make a story bad by itself), it just felt uninspired, very run-of-the-mill, and doesn't make any sense. Why is Kerrigan 100% in love with Raynor? (There's some good educated assumptions looking back on SC/BW, but none of them are cited in the game) Why did Nova NOT kill Raynor? Seriously, why? Why would Mengsk want Raynor alive? To use him as a bargaining chip vs Kerrigan? If so... Why did Kerrigan flip the fuck out when Mengsk said Raynor is dead, when Kerrigan knew Mengsk is a scheming liar? Why is Zeratul such a bitch? (Seriously, he got his ass straight canned in that scene) There are just things in this game that doesn't make sense and contradict not only their former BW personalities but also their level of intelligence. | ||
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