Beta Balance Update #10 - Page 40

On December 19 2012 06:41 droken wrote:
The Medivac change is welcome, the caduceus reactor upgrade was just way too good to not require a fusion core. It also kind-of makes battlecruisers an easier transition.

...but a fungal buff? Range 10? Speed 15? that means it effectively takes 0.7 ingame seconds or like 0.5 real seconds for a max range fungal to hit it's target. (not sure about this though! Please someone correct me if I'm wrong)

0.5 seconds is a shorter reaction time than the average human being - hell I even think it's faster than everyone except the maybe top 0.02%. Now, I know that this might be intended as a threshold for people to get into GM (they have fast enough reactions to dodge fungals) but I really feel like this is only going to have a real effect on people already playing at the GM level.
For everyone else, this is basically making the fungal growth instant again which will bring back the mass-infestor playstyles of current WoL. : /

On December 19 2012 17:01 Wen_Jie wrote:


Yeah, sorry about that, literacy costs too much money.

A completely unneeded and unnecessary buff. To solve ZvZ, nonetheless. So many balance issues there that need to be worked out by the metagame. And in the meantime, it'll have absolutely no effect on the other matchups, because let's be honest, nobody ever uses infestors there.

On December 19 2012 17:05 ClanRH.TV wrote:
They increased the range and the speed of the PROJECTILE. Yes, FG is still a projectile. That means it is no longer instant cast. While the most recent patch makes infestor better than it was just before, it is still far from as good as originally intended. People see 10 range and they then continue to cry b/c they somehow think this is a buff to the infestor overall when it is clearly not.

On December 19 2012 15:46 Wen_Jie wrote:


The projectile moves at speed 15, so it takes 0.67 ingame seconds to cross range 10. That translates to about 0.48 real world seconds. The average human reaction speed is about 0.2-0.3 seconds. Let us assume, for the sake of this example, that the Protoss and Terran ubermensch have a reaction speed of 0.15 seconds (unrealistic, because they also have to box their units and click outside). That gives their units 0.33 seconds, or 0.46 ingame seconds, once ordered, to move their units out of the radius, assuming they know where it is centered. Assuming they have units spread across the radius, the units at the center have to move 2 range to get out of the area of effect. Therefore, only units with a speed of 4.35 or higher can escape the fungal growth from the center (i.e. nothing). This would also mean that for example, marines can only escape if they're a distance of 1 away from the edge. Of course, this is assuming that the units are only on one side of the circle. If there are units on the other side, the player has to make a second box and move those units in the other direction, or else they would have to move up to 4 range to get out of the area. Assuming the action of boxing and moving the second half of units takes them another 0.15 seconds, this gives them 0.18 seconds, or 0.25 ingame seconds to move out. Nothing moves that fast. Effectively, half of your units are screwed no matter what, and half of the rest are also screwed unless they're phoenixes.

On December 19 2012 17:08 ClanRH.TV wrote:


Figures that you are terran. You're not even focusing on the actual change itselkf. You're just upset and got your panties in a bunch b./c your MMM ball can't stim and evade FG anymore.

On December 19 2012 17:07 Kvassten wrote:


Well according to this link ---> http://aim400kg.ru/train/?a=pr&ln=en I have a reaction time of about 0.210 secs and I think most of us have about the same.

On December 19 2012 17:08 ClanRH.TV wrote:


Figures that you are terran. You're not even focusing on the actual change itselkf. You're just upset and got your panties in a bunch b./c your MMM ball can't stim and evade FG anymore.

On December 19 2012 17:12 nomyx wrote:


Now instead of clicking on a box, you'll have to use that time to select your marines and split

while you are macroing

good luck :D

On December 19 2012 06:18 Archas wrote:
Were Infestors really so neutered by the previous Fungal Growth change that Blizzard needed to boost the range and missile speed this much?

Serious question, by the way.