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Asturas
Finland587 Posts
Zerg Infestor Fungal Growth Range increased from 8 to 10. Missile speed increased from 10 to 15. What the hell is this nonsense? What, finally Zergs in HotS Beta came back were they were before becoming Patch Zergs - meaning - loosing as they suppose to? Is this race so broken that without op Infestors you can't win? T and P changes I like, but this Infestor thing is ridiculous. | ||
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larse
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Valerian
Korea (South)7 Posts
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Parcelleus
Australia1662 Posts
It so frustrating to see stupid non-micro units that just overpower good micro. Just take out all spells and buff units so they can fight at different tier levels, leave it up to micro of the player that determines wins, not BOs and stupidly designed casting/special units. I guess there is COH2 to look forward too. Just look at WOL Blizzard Cup, Protoss doing the same pre-hive timing 99% of the time, cos the game is just badly designed/balanced. Blizzard need to up their game in this dept. if they want to be taken seriously. | ||
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Kvassten
Sweden159 Posts
On December 19 2012 06:41 droken wrote: The Medivac change is welcome, the caduceus reactor upgrade was just way too good to not require a fusion core. It also kind-of makes battlecruisers an easier transition. ...but a fungal buff? Range 10? Speed 15? that means it effectively takes 0.7 ingame seconds or like 0.5 real seconds for a max range fungal to hit it's target. (not sure about this though! Please someone correct me if I'm wrong) 0.5 seconds is a shorter reaction time than the average human being - hell I even think it's faster than everyone except the maybe top 0.02%. Now, I know that this might be intended as a threshold for people to get into GM (they have fast enough reactions to dodge fungals) but I really feel like this is only going to have a real effect on people already playing at the GM level. For everyone else, this is basically making the fungal growth instant again which will bring back the mass-infestor playstyles of current WoL. : / Well according to this link ---> http://aim400kg.ru/train/?a=pr&ln=en I have a reaction time of about 0.210 secs and I think most of us have about the same. | ||
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ClanRH.TV
United States462 Posts
On December 19 2012 17:01 Wen_Jie wrote: Yeah, sorry about that, literacy costs too much money. A completely unneeded and unnecessary buff. To solve ZvZ, nonetheless. So many balance issues there that need to be worked out by the metagame. And in the meantime, it'll have absolutely no effect on the other matchups, because let's be honest, nobody ever uses infestors there. Figures that you are terran. You're not even focusing on the actual change itselkf. You're just upset and got your panties in a bunch b./c your MMM ball can't stim and evade FG anymore. | ||
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Wen_Jie
Australia38 Posts
On December 19 2012 17:05 ClanRH.TV wrote: They increased the range and the speed of the PROJECTILE. Yes, FG is still a projectile. That means it is no longer instant cast. While the most recent patch makes infestor better than it was just before, it is still far from as good as originally intended. People see 10 range and they then continue to cry b/c they somehow think this is a buff to the infestor overall when it is clearly not. On December 19 2012 15:46 Wen_Jie wrote: The projectile moves at speed 15, so it takes 0.67 ingame seconds to cross range 10. That translates to about 0.48 real world seconds. The average human reaction speed is about 0.2-0.3 seconds. Let us assume, for the sake of this example, that the Protoss and Terran ubermensch have a reaction speed of 0.15 seconds (unrealistic, because they also have to box their units and click outside). That gives their units 0.33 seconds, or 0.46 ingame seconds, once ordered, to move their units out of the radius, assuming they know where it is centered. Assuming they have units spread across the radius, the units at the center have to move 2 range to get out of the area of effect. Therefore, only units with a speed of 4.35 or higher can escape the fungal growth from the center (i.e. nothing). This would also mean that for example, marines can only escape if they're a distance of 1 away from the edge. Of course, this is assuming that the units are only on one side of the circle. If there are units on the other side, the player has to make a second box and move those units in the other direction, or else they would have to move up to 4 range to get out of the area. Assuming the action of boxing and moving the second half of units takes them another 0.15 seconds, this gives them 0.18 seconds, or 0.25 ingame seconds to move out. Nothing moves that fast. Effectively, half of your units are screwed no matter what, and half of the rest are also screwed unless they're phoenixes. If your fungal growth isn't as effective as it used to be, it's because you aimed poorly, not because the other player dodged it. edit: correction, interceptors move fast enough to escape. my bad for leaving that out. | ||
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Gimmeurladderpoints
Germany372 Posts
Stop. Buffing. Fungal Growth. It's bad for the game. It's boring to watch It's frustrating to play and play against. Oh but it's a projectile now!! Great. but how does that make chainfungaling any better? How does that make it more fun too watch? If zerg is to weak. Buff. Something. Else. You've got a cool unit, it's called the hydralisk u know. It was kind of a trademark unit in Broodwar, and it's completly bad in SC2. Buff it. Or how about mutalisks. What about the cool new viper. All of them are way more fun then the infestor. | ||
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Wen_Jie
Australia38 Posts
On December 19 2012 17:08 ClanRH.TV wrote: Figures that you are terran. You're not even focusing on the actual change itselkf. You're just upset and got your panties in a bunch b./c your MMM ball can't stim and evade FG anymore. Actually I play zerg, although all my favourite players are terran. | ||
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nomyx
United States2205 Posts
On December 19 2012 17:07 Kvassten wrote: Well according to this link ---> http://aim400kg.ru/train/?a=pr&ln=en I have a reaction time of about 0.210 secs and I think most of us have about the same. Now instead of clicking on a box, you'll have to use that time to select your marines and split while you are macroing good luck :D | ||
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Hattori_Hanzo
Singapore1229 Posts
On December 19 2012 17:08 ClanRH.TV wrote: Figures that you are terran. You're not even focusing on the actual change itselkf. You're just upset and got your panties in a bunch b./c your MMM ball can't stim and evade FG anymore. Nope and neither can a Protoss gateway/colossi deathball. Thanks to speed 4.00 mutas and good overseer spread and the fact that infestors can burrow-move, you literally won't see it coming. | ||
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aqbabaq
Sweden65 Posts
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Kvassten
Sweden159 Posts
On December 19 2012 17:12 nomyx wrote: Now instead of clicking on a box, you'll have to use that time to select your marines and split while you are macroing good luck :D Well that is the challenge of the year  My point was that the human average reaction time is way lower than 0.5 seconds  | ||
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Big-t
Austria1351 Posts
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Asturas
Finland587 Posts
On December 19 2012 17:09 Gimmeurladderpoints wrote: Sigh. Blizzard. What are you doin. Why? Stop. Buffing. Fungal Growth. It's bad for the game. It's boring to watch It's frustrating to play and play against. Oh but it's a projectile now!! Great. but how does that make chainfungaling any better? How does that make it more fun too watch? If zerg is to weak. Buff. Something. Else. You've got a cool unit, it's called the hydralisk u know. It was kind of a trademark unit in Broodwar, and it's completly bad in SC2. Buff it. Or how about mutalisks. What about the cool new viper. All of them are way more fun then the infestor. I mostly agree. What I don't agree, is this whining that Zergs are too weak now. The hell? So they nerfed clearly OP unit - Inferstor. Suddenly Zergs are loosing games. mmm maybe they really were just bad players. No worries, most of them will just switch races. Don't Buff this boring and bad unit! Blizzard, please! | ||
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Patate
Canada441 Posts
Since when do they should balance while thinking of mirror matchups? It's like if they said " oh in BW ZvZ, ling/muta is too good so we're gonna buff the hydras and ultras".. guess what would happen? it would unbalance the other matchups.. I'd be okay with this change if chain fungals were inexistant. For example, make it that a unit cannot be fungled more than once per X time (parasite detected, or something..) | ||
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Asturas
Finland587 Posts
On December 19 2012 17:18 Patate wrote: I'd be okay with this change if chain fungals were inexistant. For example, make it that a unit cannot be fungled more than once per X time (parasite detected, or something..) Seems to be a great idea. | ||
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bearhug
United States999 Posts
On December 19 2012 06:18 Archas wrote: Were Infestors really so neutered by the previous Fungal Growth change that Blizzard needed to boost the range and missile speed this much? Serious question, by the way. Ask DKim, please. He is the one, the only one. you know.... | ||
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gronnelg
Norway354 Posts
Edit: Increase hydra damage to 13 or 14, or increase base range by +1, or upgrade by +2? Edit2: Now that I think of it, the problems with mutas in zvz was they head on strength, but rather they're potential to keep the oponent on 2 base. Hmm... How to solve that? | ||
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Hall0wed
United States8486 Posts
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