EPTBeta Balance Update #10 - Page 38
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Pahan0794
Russian Federation2 Posts
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Santow
Sweden4 Posts
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On December 19 2012 15:41 Pahan0794 wrote: I guess they increased Fungal Range to deal with stronger Terran bio-army(medivac upgrade) and Sky Protoss. As we've seen in Ret vs White-ra showmatch at NASL for example, Sky Toss is very strong right now. Nope, they did it because mutas in ZvZ. They really should make seeker missiles 15 speed and 10 range just to test it. Then we can see all these great zerg players here try to 'micro' out of it. | ||
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Wen_Jie
Australia38 Posts
On December 19 2012 15:40 ClanRH.TV wrote: Again, your replies are unintelligent, childish and illogical. Maybe getting your GED would help. If you choose to make an impulsive comment that not only adds nothing to the point, but detracts/derails the discussion, then its probably better that you not speak at all. So yes, you lose. Good game though. edit: sorry, tried, but i couldn't fix the quote tags that you broke edit2: nvm, it's fine It's so hard to not respond to this with 'nou lose'. Well, i'm going to do my best. It's funny (well, not really but people say that when they want to make a point), that you derailed the argument by claiming I derailed the argument, and then declared victory. Three cheers for him from anybody who cares? ... anybody? Again, your replies are unintelligent, childish and illogical. Ad hominem, and of course, because you said it it must be true.Maybe getting your GED would help. No idea what that is, and honestly, at this point i'm glad i'm not part of the same education system you were. If you choose to make an impulsive comment that not only adds nothing to the point, but detracts/derails the discussion, then its probably better that you not speak at all. Evidence or it didn't happen.So yes, you lose nou lose. Sorry, i tried. | ||
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Crawdad
614 Posts
Next patch: "We have given the old Vortex back to the Mothership, so that Protoss players can better combat Brood Lords in the late game." | ||
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Wen_Jie
Australia38 Posts
On December 19 2012 15:14 larse wrote: I tried stalker standing in the max range, 10. You can't dodge when you see the projectile. Of course, blink is ok, you can dodge with blink. The projectile moves at speed 15, so it takes 0.67 ingame seconds to cross range 10. That translates to about 0.48 real world seconds. The average human reaction speed is about 0.2-0.3 seconds. Let us assume, for the sake of this example, that the Protoss and Terran ubermensch have a reaction speed of 0.15 seconds (unrealistic, because they also have to box their units and click outside). That gives their units 0.33 seconds, or 0.46 ingame seconds, once ordered, to move their units out of the radius, assuming they know where it is centered. Assuming they have units spread across the radius, the units at the center have to move 2 range to get out of the area of effect. Therefore, only units with a speed of 4.35 or higher can escape the fungal growth from the center (i.e. nothing). This would also mean that for example, marines can only escape if they're a distance of 1 away from the edge. Of course, this is assuming that the units are only on one side of the circle. If there are units on the other side, the player has to make a second box and move those units in the other direction, or else they would have to move up to 4 range to get out of the area. Assuming the action of boxing and moving the second half of units takes them another 0.15 seconds, this gives them 0.18 seconds, or 0.25 ingame seconds to move out. Nothing moves that fast. Effectively, half of your units are screwed no matter what, and half of the rest are also screwed unless they're phoenixes. These are just facts. | ||
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Rabiator
Germany3948 Posts
Not a single thing to try and make mech better. | ||
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convention
United States622 Posts
On December 19 2012 15:45 Crawdad wrote: I will say that BL/Infestor/Corruptor is now completely viable in PvZ. Next patch: "We have given the old Vortex back to the Mothership, so that Protoss players can better combat Brood Lords in the late game." Even worse, mass infestor will once again be perfectly viable. I never knew which I hated more between infestor/BL and mass infestor. Probably the latter. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On December 19 2012 15:48 convention wrote: Even worse, mass infestor will once again be perfectly viable. I never knew which I hated more between infestor/BL and mass infestor. Probably the latter. tempests do 80 damage to broods pretty sure that composition won't be back but mass mass mass infestor willb e  | ||
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Sylinse
United States3 Posts
On December 19 2012 15:42 vthree wrote: Nope, they did it because mutas in ZvZ. They really should make seeker missiles 15 speed and 10 range just to test it. Then we can see all these great zerg players here try to 'micro' out of it. You think "these" zerg players are arguing that it's okay? It's obviously op | ||
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Rabiator
Germany3948 Posts
On December 19 2012 15:41 Pahan0794 wrote: I guess they increased Fungal Range to deal with stronger Terran bio-army(medivac upgrade) and Sky Protoss. As we've seen in Ret vs White-ra showmatch at NASL for example, Sky Toss is very strong right now. So they "de-nerfed" one of the most broken abilities in the game which has been annoying people all over to no end just so they would NOT have to nerf their precious 22 range and super-healing abilities they came up with? In other words: They make the game worse because they want to save face. This is a very common trend with that development team ... | ||
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slipskentime
21 Posts
what are a few things about my changelog that you think are too imbalanced or overpowered? | ||
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BeyondCtrL
Sweden642 Posts
On December 19 2012 15:50 blade55555 wrote: tempests do 80 damage to broods pretty sure that composition won't be back but mass mass mass infestor willb e Probably in favor of mass muta/infestor | ||
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ClanRH.TV
United States462 Posts
On December 19 2012 15:45 Crawdad wrote: I will say that BL/Infestor/Corruptor is now completely viable in PvZ. Next patch: "We have given the old Vortex back to the Mothership, so that Protoss players can better combat Brood Lords in the late game." Or next patch: we have stopped releasing patch notes because people continuously cry about every change the minute it comes out. They don't bother to wait a few weeks for the meta game to develop or to pay attention to changes that are being tested for the BETA unless they buff their race or nerf a race they are having problems against (probably b/c they misunderstand the matchup). TLDR: People have ZERO patience. | ||
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Swords
6038 Posts
Their obsession with the Infestor really blows my mind - they have a great opportunity to try buffing two units, one underused and beloved and the other boring and in need of change and instead they stick with the overused, anti-micro, spellcaster. It's a beta, show some creativity for fucks sake. /endrant | ||
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Angry.Zerg
Mexico305 Posts
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Rabiator
Germany3948 Posts
On December 19 2012 15:58 ClanRH.TV wrote: Or next patch: we have stopped releasing patch notes because people continuously cry about every change the minute it comes out. They don't bother to wait a few weeks for the meta game to develop or to pay attention to changes that are being tested for the BETA unless they buff their race or nerf a race they are having problems against (probably b/c they misunderstand the matchup). TLDR: People have ZERO patience. Wouldnt make that much of a difference if they released no patch notes since they forget about half the stuff they put in anyways ... | ||
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Wen_Jie
Australia38 Posts
On December 19 2012 15:58 ClanRH.TV wrote: Or next patch: we have stopped releasing patch notes because people continuously cry about every change the minute it comes out. They don't bother to wait a few weeks for the meta game to develop or to pay attention to changes that are being tested for the BETA unless they buff their race or nerf a race they are having problems against (probably b/c they misunderstand the matchup). TLDR: People have ZERO patience. If we have to wait 'a few weeks' for obviously bad changes to be weeded out, then that's time wasted that could have been used on changes that could actually be good. Probably pushing the release date of this game back to 2018. I don't have *that* much patience. | ||
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slipskentime
21 Posts
On December 19 2012 15:59 Swords wrote: The thing that bothers me about this patch is they denerfed fungal to fix a mirror matchup. David Kim said the problem was too much muta vs. muta in ZvZ. This is mind blowing to me - you shouldn't buff a spell and potentially ruin the other 2 MUs after 2 weeks of beta testing because you don't like the way the mirror matchup looks (not to mention Fungal vs. Fungal isn't any more fun to watch). Give it time or at least look for other solutions. The obvious one that sticks out to me is giving the hydra a buff or changing something with the corruptor - both fixes the balance team has been claiming to want to a long time. Their obsession with the Infestor really blows my mind - they have a great opportunity to try buffing two units, one underused and beloved and the other boring and in need of change and instead they stick with the overused, anti-micro, spellcaster. It's a beta, show some creativity for fucks sake. /endrant this. this. this. this. this. this. this. | ||
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Spacekyod
United States818 Posts
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