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On December 13 2012 08:15 templar rage wrote:
Toss are gonna be pretty much forced to open SG from now on in PvZ I think. Storm as a counter isn't really going to do a great job since mutas regen so quick now. I can eat a full duration storm, fly away for a minute, and come back almost full health. And that's just a full duration storm, which shouldn't happen at all really. More likely scenario is I eat like 30-40 damage and come back in 20s to the same effect.
And I think ZvZ was already going towards the BW style of muta/ling all day every day with the FG projectile. It's so fucking hard to hit mutas now, and it won't even do as much as before now.
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On December 14 2012 11:46 Dynamitekid wrote:
I am not to happy with the way this game is going. Every unit and their mother has an ability.
for sure. they should not be messing with the mutalisk at all. if your game has different 'rules' for every single unit, it's a mark of weak design. blizzard's team is currently attempting to fix one thing (mines shutting down muta in tvz) by breaking something else (buffing muta health, to the detriment of pvz and zvz).
the tempest's massive bonuses, rendering it a niche unit... terran air/mech armor being merged but not weapons... these are not intuitive changes. they're complex, which is off putting to casuals and just... reeks of messy, un thought out game design.
at least HoTS doesnt feel completely stagnant anymore, blizz did good by shaking things up in patch 8, but now i think they just need to slow down a bit and retool all those hasty changes... like, put the time and effort in to make stuff worthy of a final release. Changing ravens, mines, ultras, oracles etc was a good idea, now they just need to get them done RIGHT.
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On December 14 2012 11:46 Dynamitekid wrote:
I am not to happy with the way this game is going. Every unit and their mother has an ability.
It's rather odd. Patch 8 was arguably one of the best, and Patch 9 is rather terrible.
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ZvZ will be similar to what the ZvZ in broodwar was. I excited for this change because it requires more multitasking which results in more APM.
Better players will now have an advantage. HoTS will truly determine the gosu players to less-gosu players
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As someone that can't micro at all, I kind of like that SC 2 has a crazy amount of abilities. I think it helps offset the lowering of skill needed in other areas. I'm not the biggest fan of spells/abilities that don't require any clicking, but I'm not sure how much that bothers me. P vs T is crazy. Too many hotkeys are needed. Phoenixes, oracles, templars, sentries, and the mothership core should all have their own hotkey. God forbid you got blink and you also need to find a way to micro that. If only it were as hard as Terran. 90% of units just requiring stim, and they even put medivacs in the same control group. Terran micro being insane, the biggest perpetuated myth. I'm afraid they might not be able to keep it up.
It would perhaps be nice if the "select all army" key could be set to w/e you wanted, be it remaining as is or simply used as another hotkey for the infinite number of units with spells.
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On December 14 2012 12:35 imEnex wrote:
ZvZ will be similar to what the ZvZ in broodwar was. I excited for this change because it requires more multitasking which results in more APM.
Better players will now have an advantage. HoTS will truly determine the gosu players to less-gosu players
However, I wish there was a way for a player with fewer mutas but better micro to beat a player with more mutas but inferior micro. BW had stacking mechanics and Scourge, but I wonder what could be tweaked in SC2 to achieve this.
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Actually, I kind of like the terran armory nerf. I know in a way it seems un-intuitive, but I like how it's giving a ground dominance vs air dominance aspect to the way you upgrade your tech. If you go Bio in earlygame, then you when you start to transition into late game, you can choose: am I going ground superiority with mech weapons, or do I get air superiority with air weapons?
At least the armor upg. makes switches between air and mech easier.
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There's no way the tempest stays this way 80/85/90/95 damage is way too high especially for 15 range even if its just against massive.
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80 massive air damage on the Tempest? Who's ever going to make Battlecruisers or Carriers against a Protoss opponent now (not that people did before, but still)? Methinks Blizzard seems to like the new toy a little too much.
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argh Mutalisks are going to be even more difficult to deal with. 2-3 Turrets aren't enough when you have like 15-20 mutas, now you need like 2-3 widow mines per mineral line + dot the outer radius with turrets.
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I'd like to see some changes made to
Battlecruiers - not as scary late game, give them an ability like warp drive in battlestar galactica (like stalker blink but slower), that would look really cool, and increase their damage output
Nydus - make this more HP so that it can withstand worker attacks, and less resource requirement.
Carriers - buff this also so we see more carrier play
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On December 14 2012 12:28 DemigodcelpH wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2012 11:46 Dynamitekid wrote:
I am not to happy with the way this game is going. Every unit and their mother has an ability. It's rather odd. Patch 8 was arguably one of the best, and Patch 9 is rather terrible.
Patch 9 was probably to balance the stuff they put in Patch 8.
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On December 14 2012 15:44 dgwow wrote:
I'd like to see some changes made to
Battlecruiers - not as scary late game, give them an ability like warp drive in battlestar galactica (like stalker blink but slower), that would look really cool, and increase their damage output
Nydus - make this more HP so that it can withstand worker attacks, and less resource requirement.
Carriers - buff this also so we see more carrier play
Buffing nydus would suck. Nydus is already a gigantic gimmick that is too similar to drops, making it too strong would make all ins really dumb.
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I'm glad they are buffing the mutas so we can see more variance in zerg play, but damn.. it's going to be a bitch to deal with. 
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On December 13 2012 07:42 Kenny_oro wrote:Show nested quote +Terran
Medivac
Caduceus Reactor
The Medivac’s healing beam now changes color once the Caduceus Reactor upgrade is complete. Only one question - What color is it?? :D
Hopefully a cool blue colour! :D Like neon blue or something! 
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On December 14 2012 15:44 dgwow wrote:
I'd like to see some changes made to
Battlecruiers - not as scary late game, give them an ability like warp drive in battlestar galactica (like stalker blink but slower), that would look really cool, and increase their damage output
Nydus - make this more HP so that it can withstand worker attacks, and less resource requirement.
Carriers - buff this also so we see more carrier play
The carrier was already buffed secretly in the last patch and is actually a lot stronger now. Voidray/carrier/tempest/templar will kill any army and is probably the strongest composition in hots at least in pvz. If zerg lets a toss get that army the zerg will never kill it.
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I think they should just scrap Tempest and fix Carrier to take it's role so that units like BCs/Broodlords have their place in the game. Right now, you just don't build them, period.
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Really hope they do something to the Widow Mine to help Muta play. Just played a game where Terran scanned my spire and hid 3 widow mines in his mineral line as a nice little present. Went down from 10 Mutas to 7 weak mutas before killing any SCVs.
I've even tried going in with an Overseer to lead me except that it takes 2 shots to kill an Overseer from a Widow Mine meaning that in addition to worrying about keeping my Mutas alive while harassing, I'm also worried about my Overseer too while also keeping up with my macro and controlling my main army.
I'm not saying Widow Mines shouldn't be allowed to hit air, but something needs to be done so that 100/100/2 units aren't instantly one shot with 40 AoE damage by a 75/25/2 unit. That's just way too cost effective, especially when Zerg has no real way to counter it when harassing with Mutas. It's simply, "Oh I got hit with a Widow Mine. Minus one Muta I guess. Oh here come the marines/thor, time to run away while the Terran player is trading with me cost effectively every single time I try to harass with Mutas."
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On December 14 2012 17:07 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2012 15:44 dgwow wrote:
I'd like to see some changes made to
Battlecruiers - not as scary late game, give them an ability like warp drive in battlestar galactica (like stalker blink but slower), that would look really cool, and increase their damage output
Nydus - make this more HP so that it can withstand worker attacks, and less resource requirement.
Carriers - buff this also so we see more carrier play
The carrier was already buffed secretly in the last patch and is actually a lot stronger now. Voidray/carrier/tempest/templar will kill any army and is probably the strongest composition in hots at least in pvz. If zerg lets a toss get that army the zerg will never kill it.
If history has shown us anything, it's that people WILL figure out a way to safely get that army. Then there'll be much complaining about Protoss having an unbeatable lategame composition, and Protoss players saying it's payback for Infestor/Broodlord.
I'm not looking forward to it.
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On December 14 2012 08:37 DemigodcelpH wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2012 08:10 Umpteen wrote:
Between you and me, I have my fingers crossed for one last seismic change:
Burrow moved to Hatchery / Evo Chamber.
If Terran can have reusable super-banelings with burrow after barracks/factory, I don't see why I shouldn't have plain old burrowed banelings after spawning pool/research. You really should try to think more critically when you make suggestions — "another race has it so I don't see why my race can't have it" isn't a valid reasoning in asymmetric design. By your reasoning Terran should also have the ability to conveniently insta-remax from their Command Center. I'm not saying your suggestion itself is fundamentally bad, but that your thinking is a bit blind-sided. If you think burrow deserves to be a T1 tech then you need to provide something more insightful other than "he has something I don't".
Sorry, should have elaborated. Burrow was moved to Lair because of banelings. Clearly that move is no longer justified, because Terrans get the same kind of capability much earlier. Hence burrow could and should be returned to hatch tech. It's not "he has something I don't", it's "he has something that proves I could have back what was taken off me."
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