Beta Balance Update #9 - Page 30

On December 14 2012 05:19 Fig wrote:

Exactly! This is actually a blessing in disguise for the PvZ matchup.

It creates a greater incentive for mutalisks vs protoss, and at the same time creates more incentive to go phoenixes, which absolutely destroy mutas now. The +1 range encourages more people to use the micro, because it is now doable without the extra range upgrade. Plus the new passive healing doesn't change how fast mutas get eaten alive by phoenixes.

And while most other toss options don't do well against mutas, this means that there are more times when toss will want to go for air units in the matchup, which is good news in my opinion, especially with the fungal change to a projectile. Now the whole air tech path is no longer instantly countered when infestors come out. It again plays to the strengths of people with good multitask and micro, who can keep an eye on their phoenixes all the time.

And finally, active units like the mutalisk and the phoenix are just more interesting units, and make the matchup much more fun to watch and play than turtle into colossus, or turtle into broodlord/infestor.

On December 14 2012 05:41 KrazyTrumpet wrote:


Blizzard: Hey Protoss players! We know you hated having to do 2 years of Robo play with Stargate only for some gimmicks, so with the Muta buff, we swapped that for you! Enjoy the next 2 years of Stargate only with little possibility of any variation!

On December 14 2012 05:54 Big J wrote:


Blizzard: Hey Protoss players! We know that you don't like playing against mutalisks, so we keep on buffing phoenixes. We know that you hate playing vs Infestors, so we nerf them. We know that you don't like to play against Broodlords, so you get Tempests. We know that roaches are kind of hard to kill if you don't go robo, so we buff the shit out of voidrays. We know you had a hard time harassing in WoL, so we created the Oracle.

Protoss: WTF, to do those things I have to do something different then mass robo and gateway units?

On December 14 2012 05:58 KrazyTrumpet wrote:


The point is they are just trading one forced tech tree for another. Between Muta buffs, Vipers, Swarm hosts, Robo play is not nearly as viable as it was before and you pretty much have to go Stargate, now. It's even worse now because with Muta speed + health regen, Storm is about a billion times less effective vs Mutas.

On December 14 2012 03:38 freetgy wrote:
mutas will be so OP in PvZ
Stalker already only do 6.9 dps to mutas this will be now further reduced to 5.9 dps due to the healing.

On December 14 2012 05:50 eviltomahawk wrote:

They wanted to encourage more DT use in the late game.


http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/5966979955


http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/7320452623

On December 14 2012 05:24 adogh345 wrote:
LoL. Blizzard always with these ninja changes and they are often huge.
Warpin on Ramp....wow. What about Highground warpin? Probably still gone.

On December 14 2012 06:03 Big J wrote:


In WoL, "only" 1-2 Robo (+Archon) play is so viable that Zerg must go full air against it, because there is nothing on the ground to combat it. I really don't think those changes will make it suddenly "not viable".

On December 14 2012 06:57 hugman wrote:


ONE Stalker will do 5.9 DPS. Each additional one attacking the muta will do 6.9.

Think.

On December 14 2012 07:15 eot wrote:
30 + 50 vs massive for the Tempest seems a bit silly because that basically means you're just supposed to use it against BCs, BLs and Colossi, so in practice you're only going to use them vs BLs. The unit just seems a little piegon holed. I think it should have a different ground attack, maybe some kind of AoE.

On December 14 2012 02:54 ShamW0W wrote:
Ignoring balance for a second (hard to do, I know ) it's exciting to me that Blizzard is trying to push the game away from it's current deathball state with the latest series of changes. They're boosting harass options for all races which means slow deathball armies should be able to be fought with competent harass.

Still a lot of work to do but the last 2 patches have me more excited than I was a few short weeks ago.

On December 14 2012 05:54 Big J wrote:


Blizzard: Hey Protoss players! We know that you don't like playing against mutalisks, so we keep on buffing phoenixes. We know that you hate playing vs Infestors, so we nerf them. We know that you don't like to play against Broodlords, so you get Tempests. We know that roaches are kind of hard to kill if you don't go robo, so we buff the shit out of voidrays. We know you had a hard time harassing in WoL, so we created the Oracle.

Protoss: WTF, to do those things I have to do something different then mass robo and gateway units?