[D] Oracle changes seem overly powerful - Page 6

On December 07 2012 06:45 Fig wrote:
This version of the Oracle is amazing, because it means you can now open with Stargate against Terran. The Oracle can harass like no tomorrow because you can't stop it very well with plain marines. You either need a turret or a bunker or widow mine to protect your mineral lines. Also, unlike the phoenix, the oracle really can help on defense against early bio pushes. I can just imagine how awesome it will be to watch them play out. Picture a small MMM group moving in, Toss has a few Oracles and Zealot/Stalker. The toss will attack with the zealots, and it is imperative for the stalkers to focus fire medivacs now that they heal like crazy. And the Oracles will come in and turn on their beam, requiring quick targeting of only marines, so as not to waste energy on marauders. At the same time, the terran will be aiming his marauders at the stalkers, and using his marines to target down the Oracles whenever they come into range as they dart in and out, toggling on and off their beam.

Just a little engagement like that has now become highly skill intensive, each side being well-rewarded for their micro. A pro will be capable of getting much more out of the Oracle than even someone in masters. I love units like this.

On December 07 2012 07:05 KrazyTrumpet wrote:


This is what excites me the most, and makes me think that Stargate openings will be viable in every matchup

On December 07 2012 08:50 awesomoecalypse wrote:


The real question is, will Robo still be viable in all matchups? Each race has gotten much better tools for handling Colossi--Tempests for Protoss have changed the face of PvP completely, Vipers have the potential to play absolute havoc with Colossi if handled well (and it'll be interesting to see what new Utralisk-based Zerg comps do against Protoss ground armies, as I'm not sure Protoss actually has anything on the ground built to handle them), and now Vikings share mech upgrades and Thors have a brand new attack that can hit at Colossi range and is tailor made to bring down stuff like the Colossus.

Immortals have also been given more counters: the new HSM will oneshot them, making Terran mech/air comps much more capable of dealing with Immortal-based compositions as the game stretches on, and upgraded Hydras at lair poses problems for Immortals in PvZ as well. The new Oracle attack actually does higher dps to Hardened Shields than anything but storm or emp--its a spell, so it cuts right through them and deals 15 damage at a really high rate to hardened shields, and Immortals can't return fire.

I have a feeling robo may go the way of stargate in WoL--some useful support (and in robo's case you'll always want observers, and probably some prisms too at some point), some potential for cheese and timing attacks, but basically not a tech tree that can form the backbone of a standard, go-to composition.

I, for one, am very happy about this. Robo combat units are both pretty a-move and boring, whereas the stargate units are much more apm-intensive and rewarding of precise control and lots of multitasking, plus they don't clump in a big deathball. Stargate+gateway (or even pure stargate) is way more engaging to watch than stargate+robo.

On December 07 2012 09:04 Zealot Lord wrote:
Don't really see why this is going to be 'OP for sure' - they have low HP and only 4 range.. like defending against any air attacks 1~2 spores with queens is going to shut this down hard.

The video only shows what happens if you get completely off guard, but a ton of things can do terrible damage if you are caught with your pants down. A good player is going to have spores.

On December 07 2012 09:14 ayaz2810 wrote:
This might be a stupid fucking question, but would it be at all worthwhile to use an oracle at each base to time warp the workers and slow their mining? I imagine that could add up to a lot of lost resources, and would be possible without committing your oracles and getting them killed by AA.

EDIT: If they even have time warp still. Things keep changing so fast lol.

On December 07 2012 09:31 SuperYo1000 wrote:



not a stupid question at all timewarp slows mining down so you lose about 100 minerals in mining.....NOT worth it at all. It doesnt actually slow the mining down just the movement from the patch to your command center

On December 07 2012 09:32 EleanorRIgby wrote:
i think the +10 to light should be a upgrade, a flying spell caster unit shouldn't be able to nuke workers like that and also cast amazing spells, i wish auto turrets killed workers that fast.

On December 07 2012 09:32 EleanorRIgby wrote:
i think the +10 to light should be a upgrade, a flying spell caster unit shouldn't be able to nuke workers like that and also cast amazing spells, i wish auto turrets killed workers that fast.

On December 07 2012 09:32 EleanorRIgby wrote:
i think the +10 to light should be a upgrade, a flying spell caster unit shouldn't be able to nuke workers like that and also cast amazing spells, i wish auto turrets killed workers that fast.

On December 07 2012 13:50 ZjiublingZ wrote:
Imagine someone flew in with 3 Banshees, the exact same thing could happen. Not to mention if they had Cloak. That's really not that scary. They might increase it's build time a bit if it becomes really strong to rush them out, but it only does ~50% more the damage of a banshee for 50% more the gas cost, and it's damage is limited by it's energy pool. So yeah, I think you are just catching someone unprepared.