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Is a DT rush going to punish 1 rax FE now? When does the DT enter my base with these upgrades?
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Kvassten
Sweden159 Posts
Is a DT rush going to punish 1 rax FE now? When does the DT enter my base with these upgrades? | ||
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KovuTalli
United Kingdom325 Posts
On December 07 2012 11:50 s3rp wrote: From my first few games ( TvT's suprise ) my first guess TvT will def. be decided by Air. Without Seeker Missile with Aoe there's nothing that stops a few BC's + Vikings backed up by a some tanks other than having more Vikings . Forgetting the Thor change? You can use its standard missiles to splash the vikings, or the new ones to out range them, then Seeker the cruisers to they cant counter your Thors. | ||
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CruelZeratul
Germany4588 Posts
On December 07 2012 17:14 Kvassten wrote: Don't like DT and medivac changes, the rest is good Is a DT rush going to punish 1 rax FE now? When does the DT enter my base with these upgrades? Should be pretty much the same as DT rushes were before, it's just not that expensive for P, but doesn't come out faster. | ||
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Kvassten
Sweden159 Posts
On December 07 2012 17:26 CruelZeratul wrote: Should be pretty much the same as DT rushes were before, it's just not that expensive for P, but doesn't come out faster. It must be faster, the shrine costs 150 less gas. How long does it take to mine 150 gas? 1min from 2 geysers? This should mean that the DT arrives (1min?) earlier at my base. | ||
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SolidMoose
United States1240 Posts
On December 07 2012 17:32 Kvassten wrote: It must be faster, the shrine costs 150 less gas. How long does it take to mine 150 gas? 1min from 2 geysers? This should mean that the DT arrives (1min?) earlier at my base. It's not faster, or at least significantly, because they are still limited to the build time of Gate -> Core -> Twilight -> Shrine, it's just they don't have to get as much gas for it. If protoss does a real DT rush, there should never be a break between starting each building. | ||
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Kvassten
Sweden159 Posts
On December 07 2012 17:36 SolidMoose wrote: It's not faster, or at least significantly, because they are still limited to the build time of Gate -> Core -> Twilight -> Shrine, it's just they don't have to get as much gas for it. If protoss does a real DT rush, there should never be a break between starting each building. Ye my bad, don't know how I was thinking  Thanks mate! | ||
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Garmer
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iDoMiNaTe2.0
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lonelyPotato
Australia158 Posts
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On December 07 2012 17:36 SolidMoose wrote: It's not faster, or at least significantly, because they are still limited to the build time of Gate -> Core -> Twilight -> Shrine, it's just they don't have to get as much gas for it. If protoss does a real DT rush, there should never be a break between starting each building. it shouldn't be significantly faster, but I guess it would be possible to rearrange the BO, so that you go gas first into twilight into dark shrine, all of one gas, or a very delayed second gas. | ||
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NeWeNiyaLord
Norway2474 Posts
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cresse
United States59 Posts
1) Armory upgrades being combined (at first i thought it was just weapons but it's both, holy crap) 2) Everything about medivacs. Combat shield marines can almost survive storms. Insane. The boost is also an amazing escape mechanism, from getting away from warped in templar to speeding up drops to escaping mutalisks. I can see nerfs happening on this very quickly. 3) Infestors getting nerfed to hell. Not super against this but if ravens now block FG because it's a missile, no one will ever go infestor ever again. I agree with 70HP IT and them not scaling with upgrades, but I'm not sure I agree with both at the same time. 4) Oracles have an attack now, and it MELTS worker lines. MELTS. You thought pre-nerf BFH was bad? You ain't seen nothing yet. That's all I've really got for now. Excited for finals week to be over so I can mess around more in depth with the changes, but from watching streams stuff looks pretty crazy. I like it. The DotA "make everything imba" school of thought is entertaining to say the least. | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom12027 Posts
On December 07 2012 17:06 Breach_hu wrote: zerg still goes really strong, mech still not viable againts roach hydra viper. This is coming from someone who plays mech, but good tank spread (don't have 2 on top of each other) and good viking or now thor control can stop vipers being a massive pain so it's really viable still. Also don't underestimate the importance of mines against that composition. You'll have less tanks, but get a lot of mines. 4) Oracles have an attack now, and it MELTS worker lines. MELTS. You thought pre-nerf BFH was bad? You ain't seen nothing yet. I'd say this is a good thing, it's easily shut down by spores and or turrets. ^^ | ||
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Oukka
Finland1683 Posts
Can't wait to get started with HotS! | ||
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Breach_hu
Hungary2431 Posts
On December 07 2012 18:38 Qikz wrote: This is coming from someone who plays mech, but good tank spread (don't have 2 on top of each other) and good viking or now thor control can stop vipers being a massive pain so it's really viable still. Also don't underestimate the importance of mines against that composition. You'll have less tanks, but get a lot of mines. I'd say this is a good thing, it's easily shut down by spores and or turrets. ^^ Againts spread out tanks they use swarmhosts, and they are just wrecking spread out tanklines. I have around 500 games played on HotS, top8 GM constantly (NSHGolem BTW if you see me on ladder) | ||
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Veldril
Thailand1817 Posts
On December 07 2012 18:56 Breach_hu wrote: Againts spread out tanks they use swarmhosts, and they are just wrecking spread out tanklines. I have around 500 games played on HotS, top8 GM constantly (NSHGolem BTW if you see me on ladder) Lol, I think I just saw you played Ganzi and got wrecked by Reapers opening Watching him play really makes me think that Reaper is really strong right now. | ||
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gronnelg
Norway354 Posts
I'm a bit scared about bio in zvt though. SUPER strong MMM with the medivac upgrade, and nerfed infestors.... Will bio be to much? | ||
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virpi
Germany3599 Posts
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Breach_hu
Hungary2431 Posts
On December 07 2012 19:04 Veldril wrote: Lol, I think I just saw you played Ganzi and got wrecked by Reapers opening Watching him play really makes me think that Reaper is really strong right now. I wrecked him with reaper then he reverse wrecked me with reapers :D | ||
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Everlong
Czech Republic1973 Posts
On December 07 2012 19:17 Breach_hu wrote: I wrecked him with reaper then he reverse wrecked me with reapers :D So you think there is no way to prevent Roach/Hydra/Viper obliterating mech? Like 2/2 Vikings, Seeker missile (PDD maybe?), etc...? They might get off some blinding cloud, but lose all vipers and if you spread well they should not hit everything so you can hold Roach/Hydra? Just curious.. Ill try myself as soon as get home.. | ||
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