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Riquiz
Profile Joined June 2011
Netherlands402 Posts
December 06 2012 00:20 GMT
#241
Most of these changes are really good ! :D
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AndreiDaGiant
Profile Joined October 2010
United States394 Posts
December 06 2012 00:20 GMT
#242
although medivacs are gonna be strong, the cost i think supplents the boost it gains. Also, a tech lab on the starport makes it quite a pain to actually research so i dont think you will be seeing the upgrade until the late game and because of the timewarp of the oracle, it will not be to strong. Mech upgrades with air could be too good but we will have to see but i LOVE the Thor change. zerg changes are all resonable. and not much to say about the protoss changes other then, mutas will be good but phoenixes will be better at killing them.
Terran Metal for the Win
TheCreepyTerran
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden29 Posts
December 06 2012 00:20 GMT
#243
Wow, never expected this many changes at once. Will be intresting for sure!
Blisse
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada3710 Posts
December 06 2012 00:20 GMT
#244
I think the point of the Medivac change was so that since there's strong incentive to get the Medivac upgrade now, and the set up to get Ravens for the late-game isn't so dramatic like lots of players were annoyed by. You could get 1 HotS Medivac that almost works as 2 WoL Medivacs while switching your tech. into Ravens. I like this kind of thinking, so we should see if it works out.
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fuzzylogic44
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada2633 Posts
December 06 2012 00:21 GMT
#245
All that's missing are buffs to BCs and Carriers. I was also holding out for a return of the Warhound as a mech spellcaster. I guess it will never happen now.
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12027 Posts
December 06 2012 00:21 GMT
#246
On December 06 2012 09:20 Blisse wrote:
I think the point of the Medivac change was so that since there's strong incentive to get the Medivac upgrade now, and the set up to get Ravens for the late-game isn't so dramatic like lots of players were annoyed by. You could get 1 HotS Medivac that almost works as 2 WoL Medivacs while switching your tech. into Ravens. I like this kind of thinking, so we should see if it works out.



Another major thing is with binding cloud or fungal Ultras are going to completely obliterate bio now :p
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vandelayindustries
Profile Joined August 2011
United States290 Posts
December 06 2012 00:21 GMT
#247
Has the patch gone live on NA yet?
SolidMoose
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1240 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-06 00:24:10
December 06 2012 00:22 GMT
#248
On December 06 2012 09:16 Asgeir wrote:
Overall, I like.
Some things, I mostly like for their will to experiment, tho.

I think terran air and ground mech should have differende attack upgrades, tho they could have one common armor upgrade.


I hope if they do find it to be too good, they at least try to fall back to that
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
December 06 2012 00:22 GMT
#249
On December 06 2012 09:21 fuzzylogic44 wrote:
All that's missing are buffs to BCs and Carriers. I was also holding out for a return of the Warhound as a mech spellcaster. I guess it will never happen now.


Do you really think BCs need buff now that you can have them with 3/3 upgrade by like 20min ?
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s3rp
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany3192 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-06 00:24:26
December 06 2012 00:22 GMT
#250
On December 06 2012 09:17 SarcasmMonster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2012 09:15 s3rp wrote:
I'm not sure about the Seeker Missile change but the rest sounds pretty good for Terran. If it's still 125 Energy . 300 is quite alot but Single Target damage is rarely useful but oh well . Gotta try it first before making any judgements.

Hope the Server comes back online soon so i can try.


It's basically for countering Broodlords I assume


But without Splash it seems kinda worse . You basically need 1:1 Broodlord-Raven for this to be effective. I mean the new Thor will be ALOT better against Broods with the change but the new HSM i'm not so sure it's any better or even just as good as before.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
December 06 2012 00:22 GMT
#251
New ability: Emergency Thrusters
Speed boost that increases movement speed and acceleration to 4.25 for 8 seconds. 20 second cooldown.
The Medivac’s Caduceus Reactor upgrade at the Starport Tech Lab:
Health restored per second from 9 to 15.
Energy cost reduced from 3 health per 1 energy to 5 health per 1 energy.

I couldnt even read further, holy fuck i have no words.

89% speed increase for 8 seconds at a time?

Previously, 2 lings attacking a marine at equal upgrades would do 5.4dps. Now the marine will tank both of them while healing. If you crash into his army of marines with some medivacs over you need 3 or more lings of surface area per marine TO DO ANY DAMAGE AT ALL.

Im not complaining in light of zvt imbalance previously, but DAMN, this is probably the biggest buff in the history of sc2, this will be incredibly underestimated, its almost completely game breaking in every matchup
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Breach_hu
Profile Joined August 2009
Hungary2431 Posts
December 06 2012 00:22 GMT
#252
feedback on medivacs will be essential in PvT, and in ZvT roach hydra is just overpowering marinemarauder right now in HotS in terms of survival ability, even there are some swarmhosts to buffer a lot of damage and dps too.
Give thanks and praise!
Nuclease
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1049 Posts
December 06 2012 00:23 GMT
#253
The things I'm concerned with now:

DT rush. It was already good enough, now it will be so easy to transition into an Arhcon/Charge push.

Medivacs. End-game XvT is hard enough already due to the fact that if you don't kill the Medivacs, just a few bio units can just sit under medivacs and never die without huge amounts of damage, but the extra healing is just going to be OFF THE WALLS now.
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RoberP
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom101 Posts
December 06 2012 00:23 GMT
#254
Holy shit this is awesome! Big changes but bold ones, <3
Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
December 06 2012 00:23 GMT
#255
I love that DTs failing won't set you back to the stone age relative to your opponent - really nice change
Refer to my post.
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-06 00:25:39
December 06 2012 00:23 GMT
#256
wow, was Zerg so OP in HotS before this patch? this patch reads as a huge protoss and terran buff and i'm not sure if zerg is buffed at all (given the infestor nerf). it depends on how useful hydras are by now, i guess...

i like this patch though, finally some changes!
Breach_hu
Profile Joined August 2009
Hungary2431 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-06 00:24:38
December 06 2012 00:24 GMT
#257
On December 06 2012 09:22 Cyro wrote:
New ability: Emergency Thrusters
Speed boost that increases movement speed and acceleration to 4.25 for 8 seconds. 20 second cooldown.
The Medivac’s Caduceus Reactor upgrade at the Starport Tech Lab:
Health restored per second from 9 to 15.
Energy cost reduced from 3 health per 1 energy to 5 health per 1 energy.

I couldnt even read further, holy fuck i have no words.

89% speed increase for 8 seconds at a time?

Previously, 2 lings attacking a marine at equal upgrades would do 5.4dps. Now the marine will tank both of them while healing. If you crash into his army of marines with some medivacs over you need 3 or more lings of surface area per marine TO DO ANY DAMAGE AT ALL.

Im not complaining in light of zvt imbalance previously, but DAMN, this is probably the biggest buff in the history of sc2, this will be incredibly underestimated, its almost completely game breaking in every matchup


You forget that the medivac is money and supply. 2 lings shouldnt able to beat 1 marine backed with a medivac. In BW 1 medic could outheal a lurker hitting a marine for a long time.
Give thanks and praise!
larse
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
1611 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-06 00:24:41
December 06 2012 00:24 GMT
#258
Wait, wait, wait.

Isn't that Thor's original anti-air attack is 24 (+24 light) damage? Now it's 24 flat damage, so it's a nerf to the anti-air????
awesomoecalypse
Profile Joined August 2010
United States2235 Posts
December 06 2012 00:24 GMT
#259
This is fucking amazing. Holy crap. This is the patch that could start SC2 on the path to being saved.
He drone drone drone. Me win. - ogsMC
archonOOid
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1983 Posts
December 06 2012 00:25 GMT
#260
I will miss the impact that tempests had in pvp i think it will be a lot harder to make tempest viable now.
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