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Qikz
United Kingdom12022 Posts
On December 06 2012 09:24 larse wrote: Wait. Isn't that Thor's original anti-air attack is 24 (+24 light) damage? Now it's 24 flat damage, so it's a nerf to the anti-air???? Nononono, It's a buff since it doesn't try and attack twice against armored targets means it'll actually do full damage. | ||
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Mr. Nefarious
United States515 Posts
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Tomasy
Poland80 Posts
On December 06 2012 09:24 larse wrote: Wait, wait, wait. Isn't that Thor's original anti-air attack is 24 (+24 light) damage? Now it's 24 flat damage, so it's a nerf to the anti-air???? it is 6x4 so each missle was affected by armor | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom12022 Posts
It's still going to be horrible to get because early game you can either reactor medivacs or get a tech lab starport and build one, which isn't going to be as good for pushing due to lack of energy. Speed is to help it get away from Fungal (and mutas since they got a well needed speed boost!) The healing is to buff bio late game since now Ultras are going to be soooo powerful which is sooo good! | ||
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Dav1oN
Ukraine3164 Posts
Reworking Voidrays in this way, it's completely wrong imo. Removing Templest to Fleet Beacon is also looks like a fail, seems like Blizz forcing tosses to play Stargate style, but to play it they need to think out better what to do. Bring back old Voidray, bring back Voidray speed upgrade. Add some minor splashdamage to Tempest (air, ground or both - probably researchable upgrade at beacon), or bring back the tech without Beacon Phoenix buff is fine tho. Somehow rework Carriers, make em easier to build (buildtime/cost changes). Looks like that Oracle is the unit that being changed since beta hots release, and being changed every single patch :/ | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13984 Posts
toss has no way of killing BR but toss can 4 gate dt rush every game...... the hell | ||
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TheFrankOne
United States667 Posts
On December 06 2012 09:16 templar rage wrote: Does anyone remember how fast the projectile FG was last time they tried to do this? If it's faster than that, I'm OK with it, because otherwise it's way too easy to dodge. No upgrades on ITs is dumb as shit. Why not just a damage/AS nerf instead? Zerg looks like it got fucked hard, but we'll see. A lot of changes have looked horrific initially and turned out OK. I love Hydra speed at Lair though. Maybe they'll actually find some uses outside of ZvZ. I don't really understand the new seeker missile and how to dodge it. The way I see it, you have 3s from the time it's cast to get 13 range away, otherwise it's 100% a hit? Is that correct? I'm not really sure what to feel about the combining of vehicle and ship upgrades for mech. Let's see: Hydra buff, muta buff, viper buff, ultra buff, infestor nerf. Yeah, pretty rough for some. I think Ver called them "patchzergs". @Cricketer: What are BRs? | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
So far, I've got: Ultras (400 hp) BCs (550 hp) Thors (400 hp) Mothership (350 hp 350 s) Carrier (300 hp 100 s) Colossus (200 hp 150 s) Archon (10 hp 350 s) maybe or maybe not Immortals (200 hp 100 s) | ||
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larse
1611 Posts
On December 06 2012 09:25 Tomasy wrote: it is 6x4 so each missle was affected by armor ok. But it loses the Light-bonus. So it's a trade-off. The buff is not very significant though. | ||
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pwncakery
Canada131 Posts
On December 06 2012 09:19 TeeTS wrote: Well, at first I thought Terran was way overbuffed here. But after seeing that Ultralisks are killing outright everything on the ground now, it seems a bit reasonable. designwise the changes look very promising. Lots of activated abilities instead of passive bonus means more decisions to be made and more skill ceiling. I hope they get it somehow balanced! The ultras have to actually be able to HIT what they're aiming at though. This has been a problem throughout WoL. When a zerg runs dry of fungals, ultras aren't so good. With fungals though, the new buff does look pretty big. Good for maybe cutting through some of that steroided bio ball? | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13984 Posts
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SpacemanG
United States31 Posts
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wolfemancs
United States8 Posts
Fungal Growth: Is now a projectile. Does this mean it can be absorbed by a PDD now? | ||
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Phil0s0pher
Australia317 Posts
I don't want to necessarily restate What has already been SaiD in the discussion. It does seeM that Blizzard is pushing for Protoss to go Stargate in PvZ. My concern is that Protoss won't necessarily have an Answer to the Bio-deathball that Terran hits us with usually at 10mins with these changes. The Strength of the medivac may be too much. I like the Dark Shrine change, but as people have already mentioned with the moment of decent detection that races have now, how effective will this be. I'd like to see them as  HasuObs mentioned on twitter a reworking of the Colossus. | ||
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Reality_Seeker
Bulgaria18 Posts
Overall rating 5/10 Reason: I feel zerg's getting buffed more and more despite the infestor which is getting tuned down as it should have been a long time ago. Also the mixed upgrades for terran mech/air is a bad idea imo. If they're going to to that protoss shields upgrade should be: 1. Removed so armor works for shields too. 2. Moved in the twilight council with a lower cost then now so u can actually double upgrade and it should be 1/2 of the cost of normal upgrades since shields are less and the investment isn't worth for the big fights. 3. Should be revamped and also moved to the TC and should give some kind of an effect. Maybe even a one time upgrade like. When out of combat protoss shields reg + w/e amount. Or reduce the damage/effect from spells by #%. P.S. Zerg doesn't need more buffs blizzard and terran bio is op as it is now so be careful what u'r doing.... | ||
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s3rp
Germany3192 Posts
On December 06 2012 09:28 wolfemancs wrote: Does this mean it can be absorbed by a PDD now? Special Ability so probably not. HSM couldn't be absorbed either. | ||
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NOOBALOPSE
Canada802 Posts
On December 06 2012 08:28 Qikz wrote: I'm not sure what thread we're going to use for this, but this is quite possibly the best changes I've ever seen. Most of them. I don't like dark shrine 100/100 or the medivac being 150/150/110 and 5 health per second. Also don't like infested terrans not sharing upgrades w/ roaches. I think it's a bit too far. also mech upgrades shared with starport ones will make terran a lot better vs. BL's, a bit too sever maybe ? Other ones are fantastic though. Great job Blizzard !!!!! | ||
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Atrbyg
United States513 Posts
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JazVM
Germany1196 Posts
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
On December 06 2012 09:27 larse wrote: ok. But it loses the Light-bonus. So it's a trade-off. The buff is not very significant though. It may or may not be more of a buff depending on attack speed and possibly upgrade scaling, which we may need to find out in-game. | ||
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