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SarcasmMonster
3136 Posts
On December 06 2012 09:09 PH wrote: Too many active abilities being added to the game... It's becoming convoluted. They only added 2 (Medivacs and Void rays) and took away one (Ultras). Only a net +1. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On December 06 2012 09:09 Tomasy wrote: BTW This new THOR anti air cannon does 24 flat dmg , isnt it the same like old one who (did 6+6light) x4 =24 vs nonlight Am I missing smth? It does it at range 10, scales better against armor. AKA: Shoot at the broodlords. | ||
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Aetherial
Australia917 Posts
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Rebel_
Canada94 Posts
Im just worried about the medivac speed. How fast can protoss respond to drops? Since they are deadly at some moments. Well lets see how this month works for the beta. It shall be interesting. | ||
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Crisium
United States1618 Posts
On December 06 2012 08:42 Iodem wrote: Oh man these changes are all so cool but I have to question single target? Doesn't that just make it a yamato cannon? A Yamato cannon with delay, and dodgable during that delay. And it cannot attack buildings. So decisively worse, but VERY similar. A bit of a blunder, creatively. I'd rather they work on tweaking the WOL Seeker Missile. | ||
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-Kyo-
Japan1926 Posts
There is not a single "choice" involved in this. It's way too simple for a strategy game. The logic is: I want that, I can get it, so I'll get it. Choices that have to be made with something like the nerf to tempests back to T3 is GOOD. You should have to PICK if you want to invest in that and then if you do you get "x" variables to your army for it. Not get an all around good thing for some mindless choice you made. I also cannot even begin to understand how they are approaching balancing this game. Look at all these units and their skills... Almost all of them are starting to shift the paradigm towards units that use energy to deal real damage in an effective manner. Ravens now deal damage directly from energy in a much stronger fashion, infestors are the same, vipers are the most silly thing if you've ever played against them and they got buffed, swarm hosts are free units for real damage, and now oracles deal damage from energy as well. What made units like the Lurker GOOD was that it was "vulnerable" while unburrowed, but it was amazing for zoning and gave the player time to prepare something a part of a larger picture. With Swarm hosts you just plop them down somewhere, rally units and if they kill something your investment into them has already paid off substantially. There is absolutely nothing that counters a 100% cost effective unit in terms of an economic game. You seriously just have to play better than the unit using that unit which, if you've played HotS, can lead to some really unbelievable games such as: well he got a shit ton of swarm hosts and my army doesn't fight those so I guess i just have to run around and base trade.... It's senseless, bad design and if they continue down this route I cannot see myself continuing to play this game... I really hope they get a grip though... :/ | ||
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
On December 06 2012 09:11 GenesisX wrote: WHAT IN THE ACTUAL FUCK. You pretty much can't infestor ling against Bio terran anymore LOL. 15 health per second on medivac heal hahaha... Reapers will be used much more often now. With the cliff vision buff and now this I'm sure we'll see 5 rax reapers again. I think protoss got a lot of unnecessary buffs, especially with dark shrine resource cost. Also seems like they are trying to make sky protoss too viable. Buffs for every unit except carrier, lol. Mutalisk speed buff should help in dodging phoenixes a bit better. Infestors kinda suck now since ITs don't scale with ranged upgrades. Pretty much suck against late game armies. That's good I think. Infestor ling as a composition give too much left over money to invest in upgrades / infrastructure. Zerg need to spend more money on an army before moving to higher tech and bases. You can still go infestor ling baneling, but atleast you're making a decision | ||
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Tuczniak
1561 Posts
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iSoak
Canada7 Posts
indirectly buffed infestors in the sense that fungal growth is more important than ever for dealing with medivac fast-heal. oracle is still a dumb unit, imo. reminds me of those crappy obsidian statues in warcraft 3... widow mine is still stupid and boring (imo. a pet peeve actually, so much potential wasted...). dark shrine cheese has been extremely buffed infestor still in the game Deathballs still abound. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On December 06 2012 09:13 Crisium wrote: A Yamato cannon with delay, and dodgable during that delay. And it cannot attack buildings. So decisively worse, but VERY similar. A bit of a blunder, creatively. I'd rather they work on tweaking the WOL Seeker Missile. Does not have an AOE worth talking about. HSM does. | ||
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Extenz
Italy822 Posts
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Sakray
France2198 Posts
Not sure about that :/ I wonder which attack is gonna be used, iirc the Thor use his ground-to-ground attack vs Colo. | ||
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Al Bundy
7257 Posts
Dark Shrine Cost is now 100/100, down from 100/250. Oh baby this is going to get pretty interesting. I love DTs and this gives me even more reasons to use them  | ||
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da_head
Canada3350 Posts
On December 06 2012 09:11 GenesisX wrote: WHAT IN THE ACTUAL FUCK. You pretty much can't infestor ling against Bio terran anymore LOL. 15 health per second on medivac heal hahaha... Reapers will be used much more often now. With the cliff vision buff and now this I'm sure we'll see 5 rax reapers again. I think protoss got a lot of unnecessary buffs, especially with dark shrine resource cost. Also seems like they are trying to make sky protoss too viable. Buffs for every unit except carrier, lol. Mutalisk speed buff should help in dodging phoenixes a bit better. Infestors kinda suck now since ITs don't scale with ranged upgrades. Pretty much suck against late game armies. infestors suck? really? god forbid your entire army cant be composed of spellcasters anymore. | ||
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playa
United States1284 Posts
On December 06 2012 09:12 Corrosive wrote: archons are bad as shit vs muta unless they clump up. magic box works as well on an archon as it works on a thor. move command the mutas over your void rays and archon and they all just die. Obviously we're playing a different game or you actually haven't tried that composition. When it comes to mutas, the key is to not take economical damage early. Zerg simply can not engage that composition in the early game and you will fare well against any tech switches. To clarify, obviously there will be some stalkers thrown into the mix. A moving over that composition is 100% suicidal. | ||
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Badfatpanda
United States9719 Posts
They change thors so that they do single target damage to air...what about tanks? How is this going to affect TvP at all aside from late game tempest battles? Reaper buff? A BUFF? You need to play so fucking defensive because reaper and widow allins are retardedly strong in the beta so you BUFF the unit? And they STILL won't be viable in TvZ and TvP outside of gimmicky allins. Vortex now kills 1 unit? I'm assuming no change in energy cost? Seriously? Raven being single target nuke...how will that change TvZ, they still cost 200 gas...Interested to see how it plays out. The changes overall are good, but the ones that aren't are so stupid it's difficult to fathom how they made it live. | ||
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Jacmert
Canada1709 Posts
 Looks like Blizzard's got some hope, yet. | ||
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s3rp
Germany3192 Posts
Hope the Server comes back online soon so i can try. Btw Reaper or Anti-Reaper builds will now be 100% standard in TvT. Even before the new change they've been incredbly strong now they're even better. Any Gasless build will be a BIG risk maybe even a outright loss against HotS Reapers. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On December 06 2012 09:13 iSoak wrote: Rather than make zerg and protoss more micro intensive, they've made terran less micro intensive. oracle is still retarted. widow mine is still stupid and boring (imo. a pet peeve actually, so much potential wasted...). dark shrine cheese has been extremely buffed infestor still in the game Deathballs still abound. Idra disagrees: "new hots patch seems like a good patch for good players. stuff might be imbalanced but it'll be much more entertaining than wol has been." Idra is happy with a patch, your point is invalid. | ||
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Freeborn
Germany421 Posts
But many of the changes seem kind of random. Medivac healing buff seems totally mad. Bio + medivac + emp will just murder any protoss and probably also zerg. I like the thor change for being something interesting and a tradeoff mechanic which has become very rare in sc2. Overall the patch seems to me like a big experiment. But I prefer crazy changes to no changes so let's see how it goes. Worst change: Tempest requires fleet beacon. Nobody will build them any more unless they need to fight off broods. | ||
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