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Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
November 03 2012 18:34 GMT
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Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
November 03 2012 18:38 GMT
#2
They might use real seconds instead of blizzard time, but even then that number is higher than it should be.
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Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
November 03 2012 18:39 GMT
#3
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EsportsJohn
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4883 Posts
November 03 2012 18:40 GMT
#4
^ Probably has something to do with real seconds instead of Blizzard seconds. But yeah, even then it looks like it might be a little buggy. Wouldn't be the first time Blizzard made something awkward and buggy.....
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Antylamon
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1981 Posts
November 03 2012 18:42 GMT
#5
You might want to report this as a glitch on the BNet forums. Even if it is just using real seconds, that's not the way it should be.

I'm more curious about Supply Efficiency, because it seems that SQ is made invalid unless you view the income tab in the replay.
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
November 03 2012 18:43 GMT
#6
Perhaps it is max APM? But then again, early-game spamming might raise the APM to be higher than that value.
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Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-03 18:46:17
November 03 2012 18:44 GMT
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GrassEater
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden417 Posts
November 03 2012 18:47 GMT
#8
They probably count every key pressed in real time, not every usefull command in blizzard time
Steelo_Rivers
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1968 Posts
November 03 2012 18:52 GMT
#9
On November 04 2012 03:47 GrassEater wrote:
They probably count every key pressed in real time, not every usefull command in blizzard time

^^ this. Its probably counting EVERY command in real time and not blizzard time.
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Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-03 19:01:57
November 03 2012 18:54 GMT
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phodacbiet
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1740 Posts
November 03 2012 19:54 GMT
#11
More epeen boost for the casuals probably. Now someone with 70 apm actually see like 170 in the tab after
KrazyTrumpet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2520 Posts
November 03 2012 20:10 GMT
#12
I doubt it's peak APM, either, because I only ever see between 230-250 in the performance tab, but in replays I regularly spike over 300. Dunno what's going on here, really.
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MidgetHumper
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom280 Posts
November 03 2012 20:13 GMT
#13
I will take my 500+ APM any day, haters gonna hate. =P
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=284255#1
Ethoex
Profile Joined June 2012
United States164 Posts
November 03 2012 20:52 GMT
#14
it could be in real minuets or just a glitch but it makes player feel better
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MidgetHumper
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom280 Posts
November 03 2012 21:24 GMT
#15
I average at about 250 apm on a good day.. I just had a score screen with 500+. I't is bugged to shit. lol
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memcpy
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States459 Posts
November 03 2012 21:40 GMT
#16
This just reminded me, didn't blizzard say the would be changing HOTS to use real time for faster speed?
EsportsJohn
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4883 Posts
November 03 2012 21:42 GMT
#17
On November 04 2012 06:40 memcpy wrote:
This just reminded me, didn't blizzard say the would be changing HOTS to use real time for faster speed?


...no.
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Tedde93
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden169 Posts
November 03 2012 22:04 GMT
#18
I had an average apm of 800 versus a very easy computer. The game lasted for like 40 min, cheacked the replay and had an avareage apm of 80. (Was trying to see if there was anypoint in xp farming)
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Qwyn
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2779 Posts
November 03 2012 22:57 GMT
#19
I think what you're seeing is the sum of your actions for the whole game .

It could be a couple things....in order of most likely...
a. A glitch...
b. New calcuations...
c. Real time...
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TheGreenMachine
Profile Joined March 2010
United States730 Posts
November 03 2012 23:30 GMT
#20
Its the real APM calculation. Remember sc2 time is 1.38x as fast as real time. So if you have 100 sc2 apm you have 138 real apm.

There was also a patch a while back where apm stopped counting selecting units like spamming 123412341234. It only counted actual actions.

So this apm at the end of game is very useful, its actual apm litterally what u do ingame.
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nucLeaRTV
Profile Joined May 2011
Romania822 Posts
November 03 2012 23:33 GMT
#21
I thought it's actually the max APM you got in that game. Haven't tested the theory yet.
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Prillan
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden350 Posts
November 03 2012 23:36 GMT
#22
I'm guessing that they still haven't fixed the APM/EAPM mixup and that would explain your numbers.

Check the tab EAPM and compare that number with the score screen.

(Assuming EAPM is still in the game)
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Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
November 04 2012 00:02 GMT
#23
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LockeTazeline
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
2390 Posts
November 04 2012 00:23 GMT
#24
Yeah, this happened to me too. At first I thought I had improved a lot. But then I realized I was delusional.
Infernal_dream
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2359 Posts
November 04 2012 00:29 GMT
#25
>Implying having a massive apm makes you better at this game. I'm so tired of people putting so much emphasis on this useless statistic. Over half of your "apm" is wasted on rotating through building/units and not actually doing anything with them. I wish they would forever hide this so that people stop focusing on it so much and focus on other things that matter much more. Just spamming in the beginning of the game can raise your end game apm by 50.
NonameAI
Profile Joined October 2012
127 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-04 01:11:18
November 04 2012 00:32 GMT
#26
Yes. This applies to me too. I checked the replay, and my average APM was around 150-170. But the end screen displayed like 495 as my APM. Yes, i hit like 400 - 800 APM in battles. In the game where i got 495 on the screen, i hit like 950 at one point, but i don't see how it is possible that my average is like 500.

And no, its not the real time APM calculation. 150 x 1.38 =/= 495. It must be a bug or something.
Viz_Ru
Profile Joined March 2009
Canada13 Posts
November 04 2012 01:43 GMT
#27
I think it might be a bug where they convert blizzard time to normal time twice, 1.38*1.38*inGameAPM.

We'd need some sample data to make sure though. This seems to roughly match what I'm seeing fairly consistently.
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11349 Posts
November 04 2012 01:51 GMT
#28
There's definitely something wrong. It said I was something like 250APM- (this is after fooling around microing units for an 1hr45 min) Watching the replay at x8, my average game long apm was more like 70.
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QuantumChaos
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada37 Posts
November 04 2012 02:47 GMT
#29
On November 04 2012 10:43 Viz_Ru wrote:
I think it might be a bug where they convert blizzard time to normal time twice, 1.38*1.38*inGameAPM.

We'd need some sample data to make sure though. This seems to roughly match what I'm seeing fairly consistently.


Even then it would be off by about 40. It is, however, almost exactly double his "current" APM at the end game.
Inquisitor1323
Profile Joined March 2012
370 Posts
November 04 2012 03:01 GMT
#30
Wait have they fixed blizzard time yet? I know the units build times will get screwed up but it's worth it to get an accurate real time. Maybe they could display both blizz time and normal time...
DBS
Profile Joined July 2012
515 Posts
November 04 2012 04:12 GMT
#31
Does this have to do with APMvsEPM?
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25121 Posts
November 04 2012 05:34 GMT
#32
Bit of a shame it's buggy, but those stats look pretty sexy. Blizz seem to be stepping up with the UI in HoTS
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Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10331 Posts
November 04 2012 08:19 GMT
#33
On November 04 2012 09:29 Infernal_dream wrote:
>Implying having a massive apm makes you better at this game. I'm so tired of people putting so much emphasis on this useless statistic. Over half of your "apm" is wasted on rotating through building/units and not actually doing anything with them. I wish they would forever hide this so that people stop focusing on it so much and focus on other things that matter much more. Just spamming in the beginning of the game can raise your end game apm by 50.


Being faster doesn't make u better? When u say APM i think u mean "useless actions".

Also even rotating thru ur stuff is important. The faster u can do it the faster u can build stuff and less often u'll have hiccups in production etc.

Unless you're saying u think its possible for someone to know perfectly when to build each unit, so that there is always only 1 unit producing at each building, and know exactly when to inject. Even if you stare at the timer, that takes time.
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Prillan
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden350 Posts
November 04 2012 10:20 GMT
#34
On November 04 2012 09:02 Sated wrote:
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On November 04 2012 08:36 Prillan wrote:
I'm guessing that they still haven't fixed the APM/EAPM mixup and that would explain your numbers.

Check the tab EAPM and compare that number with the score screen.

(Assuming EAPM is still in the game)

EPM is smaller than APM. It's not that.


Yeah, it's supposed to. But in WoL they're mixed up. Have you checked or are you just assuming?
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Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-04 20:44:13
November 04 2012 20:41 GMT
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Becuula
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany65 Posts
November 05 2012 21:47 GMT
#36
On November 04 2012 03:44 Sated wrote:
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On November 04 2012 03:42 Antylamon wrote:
You might want to report this as a glitch on the BNet forums. Even if it is just using real seconds, that's not the way it should be.

I'm more curious about Supply Efficiency, because it seems that SQ is made invalid unless you view the income tab in the replay.

The "Score Summary" tab still contains the data required for the SQ calculation. I'm not a big fan of SQ, but it's still there.



I can't find the data on the "Score Summary" tab for the SQ calculation. I need the "collection rate", which I don't find on the tab. I've even tried to calculate it with Ressources / Minutes, but it is not accurate if I check it on the WoL Client.

Could you please explain which data you take for the SQ calculation?
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Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
November 05 2012 23:26 GMT
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