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Hattori_Hanzo
Singapore1229 Posts
Based on the above changes, beta players SHOULD expect blink stalker + MC / 3gate + MC harass as the new 4gate. Good news is, destroying the MC will put a P player behind compared to a standard blink stalker w/ Obs. As seen in some of the HOTS streams. | ||
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JKM
Denmark419 Posts
On September 30 2012 21:43 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: Protoss will have even less unit than terran if p went for 1g expand. I don't think 1gate expand would be the standard go to build with MC in the picture. Costing 100/100 the MC is a significant investment and I doubt that it is safe to open 1g expansion into infrastructure + MC. I think building MC right after 1g expansion would take away from other aspects of that opening making it weaker against a couple of normal terran builds. I rather think 2/3 gates with pressure while expanding safely behind is a better choice, because it gives the P quite a lot units early that can poke hard at almost any terran opening and outright deny the natural for greedy terran openings. That said I think the MC is better in its current form. The old MC with recall was kind of imba because it allowed protosses to suicide push into regions where they normally would not have an option to retreat, but now with recall they can. Having to bring the MC is a weakness to such play, because it can be killed fairly easily and the movement speed is not very fast, so the opponent has more time to respond and defend in various places. | ||
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Adonminus
Israel543 Posts
1) It can do early game harassment to workers. 2) It still buffs early pushes even by dealing a small bit of damage. 3) It can be used just like overlords to scout early game and you can't hide tech from them cause they're so fast. | ||
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Foxxan
Sweden3427 Posts
zerg: overlord terran: new raper protoss: mothership core More skill now | ||
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Roth
Germany165 Posts
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Hattori_Hanzo
Singapore1229 Posts
On September 30 2012 22:34 Foxxan wrote: THis makes all races have fast scout in the game zerg: overlord terran: new raper protoss: mothership core More skill now terran: new raper WHAT | ||
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kiklion
99 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=370408¤tpage=6#110 and on the Bnet boards and reddit. | ||
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awesomoecalypse
United States2235 Posts
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awesomoecalypse
United States2235 Posts
I think the mothership core still has a lot of issues offensively: 1) It can do early game harassment to workers. 2) It still buffs early pushes even by dealing a small bit of damage. 3) It can be used just like overlords to scout early game and you can't hide tech from them cause they're so fast It is cost inefficient as an addition to your army, except in that it allows you to teleport away--which is the whole point of the unit in the first place, to give Protoss more ability to get aggressive in the early and mid-game without going all-in. It is also much more expensive than an Overlord, so while it does open up new scouting options (which is a good thing, as it helps reduce randomness early on in the game and thereby cut down on build order wins), if the enemy does manage to pick it off it can really set you back. | ||
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Fab1lous
Germany4 Posts
 More oppotunities for a race means more fun :D | ||
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Prime Directive
United States186 Posts
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NuKedUFirst
Canada3139 Posts
On September 29 2012 08:08 avilo wrote: That's it for Terran? -_- good change though, 4 sec to burrow seemed like forever. Supply cost is still too expensive imo. I agree, It feels like theyre gonnna get used at often as burrowed banelings in a way. Cool but not used often.. imo bring back the spider mine, make a new unit that just lays the mines for like 25 minerals each or something with a cooldown. | ||
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Hattori_Hanzo
Singapore1229 Posts
On October 01 2012 00:13 Prime Directive wrote: I like the core in its current form. What about putting a maximum number of units that can be recalled to avoid deathball play? You could lower the energy cost with this kind of restriction too. There is a limit to units recalled, range 7 from the MC, or diameter of 14. This will favor zealot/colossi builds as they are much more compact than stalker. | ||
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Hattori_Hanzo
Singapore1229 Posts
On September 29 2012 07:51 HelloSon wrote: "The duration of Activate Mine has been decreased to 2 sec." what does this mean? takes less channeling time from mine to attacking? Reduced burrow time is good, allows widow mine as used same as a siege line. Nice! | ||
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Millet
Sweden143 Posts
On October 01 2012 00:44 Hattori_Hanzo wrote: There is a limit to units recalled, range 7 from the MC, or diameter of 14. This will favor zealot/colossi builds as they are much more compact than stalker. I guarantee you that any maxed army from protoss will be recalled completely with a range of 7 (diameter of 14). Even mass stalker would be completely teleported. | ||
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Cronicus
Sweden28 Posts
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kmillz
United States1548 Posts
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s3rp
Germany3192 Posts
Right now just the fact that the MSC exists and can be used offensivly massively limits openings you can do as Terran. Anything with Marauders/Reapers/Helion expand is basically not possible . You need decent Anti-Air first. Terran doesn't have Queens that work as AA not matter how they chose to play. They will probably have to limit the MSC's movement range and give it the old recall back. | ||
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Tsuki.eu
Portugal1049 Posts
On September 30 2012 22:34 Foxxan wrote: THis makes all races have fast scout in the game zerg: overlord terran: new raper protoss: mothership core More skill now Skill is on the fact that you have to interpret the limited amount of information you get and react to it, not move click the overlord thats parked next to a base and just get the counter unit rEaper btw. | ||
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Chrono000
Korea (South)358 Posts
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