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tomwizz
Profile Joined October 2010
524 Posts
September 05 2012 20:09 GMT
#1161
On September 06 2012 05:08 Anta wrote:
i'm no QQ guy or so. i think everything looks good (must get tweaked much - teampest wtf)
BUT
swarmhost vs swarmhost wars is the most stupid thing i've ever seen... o_O


You know,it's Heart of the Swarm(Host).
Leetley
Profile Joined October 2010
1796 Posts
September 05 2012 20:10 GMT
#1162
On September 06 2012 05:08 Anta wrote:
i'm no QQ guy or so. i think everything looks good (must get tweaked much - teampest wtf)
BUT
swarmhost vs swarmhost wars is the most stupid thing i've ever seen... o_O

Mutas seem a good choice, since locusts cant's shoot up.
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10167 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-05 20:12:26
September 05 2012 20:12 GMT
#1163
On September 06 2012 04:47 Cyro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2012 04:46 Godwrath wrote:
On September 06 2012 04:40 Garmer wrote:
On September 06 2012 04:24 Godwrath wrote:
On September 06 2012 04:19 Garmer wrote:
On September 06 2012 04:12 Godwrath wrote:
On September 06 2012 04:09 Garmer wrote:
On September 06 2012 03:42 Godwrath wrote:
On September 06 2012 03:34 Tsubbi wrote:
even if its just beta its baffling how the war hound in its current form made it into the game, 1 supply roach is nothing compared to this

Ah, and in case you were wondering, 2 roaches own 1 warhound.



uhm no?
warhound dps is 23/1.3=17,7 so it's not 17
17.7-1 armor roach mean still 16.7
in 9 secs a warhound kill 1 roach and lose 16-1(armor warhound)*9= 135hp
in other 9 second he kill the second roach and lose 67.5 hp
135+67.5=202.5hp and this without counting the 7 range


Except, you are doing it wrong, since the last hit on the first roach, is overkill, which gives you another full volley of 30 damage, killing the warhound before the second roach die ^^

You can't calculate this stuff as DPS, but how many hits it takes to take down a unit.

it's corret

23-1 roach armor , he need 7 shoot to kill a roach and 7 shoot take 9.1 sec


But it's wrong because there are 10 shooting volleys from roaches (0,2,4,6,8), which do 150 damage to the warhound at 8s, On 9.1 warhound kill one roache, but the another roach will be able to shoot 5 times more (10, 12, 14, 16, 18, and the warhound kills the second roach at 18.2), That means 225 damage done by the roaches... therefore, killing the warhound.

It's close tho, i give you that.

i think you are correct but its very very close, and if you kite a bit, the warhound wins


With roach speed you can't really kite. But it's close.


Warhounds are 24.8% faster than Roaches with 1.75x the range. Please explain to me why you cant kite them? I mean sure, not forever unless the attack animation is really fast, but if the microing player plays his cards properly, he should be able to get at least 3 or 4 shots off before taking a point of damage


Because there's a roach upgrade to give them 3.00 speed making them fasters than warhounds ?
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
September 05 2012 20:12 GMT
#1164
On September 06 2012 05:10 Leetley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2012 05:08 Anta wrote:
i'm no QQ guy or so. i think everything looks good (must get tweaked much - teampest wtf)
BUT
swarmhost vs swarmhost wars is the most stupid thing i've ever seen... o_O

Mutas seem a good choice, since locusts cant's shoot up.

theeeyyy cannnnnn. I actually don't know what zerg unit beats swarm hosts, brood lords? kekekeke
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
Ocedic
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1808 Posts
September 05 2012 20:13 GMT
#1165
Not sure if this is the right place to discuss HOTS changes, but I really dislike workers auto splitting at the beginning of the game. I mean come on, there isn't anything else to do at the very start besides build a worker.
Garmer
Profile Joined October 2010
1286 Posts
September 05 2012 20:13 GMT
#1166
On September 06 2012 05:06 TheDougler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2012 05:04 ThirdDegree wrote:
I've seen collapsible rocks near the third on at least one of the maps. What happens if you have your base built there and then they get destroyed (collapsed)?


Nothing happens to the base there.

actually the building get damage 500-750dmg
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
September 05 2012 20:13 GMT
#1167
On September 06 2012 05:06 Darpa wrote:
All ive seen zerg do against terran mech now is go mass roach. I want to see them use some infestors/mutas/vipers, but non of them do it ><

Dimaga just lost the game where he went for mass Queens, Roaches, Swarm Hosts and Infestors vs. Terran that went for Battle Hellions, few Thors, few Mines, mass Tanks, Banshees and Ravens. It was pretty decent game, but Dimaga didn't follow his units, and while he was macroing, Terran sniped half of his Swarm Hosts before they spawned Locusts.

He could've won that, but he always goes too far with Swarm Hosts, like if they have 10 range or something.. they have huge range because Locusts last for 25 seconds, don't know why he does this so often.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
Leetley
Profile Joined October 2010
1796 Posts
September 05 2012 20:14 GMT
#1168
On September 06 2012 05:12 MCDayC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2012 05:10 Leetley wrote:
On September 06 2012 05:08 Anta wrote:
i'm no QQ guy or so. i think everything looks good (must get tweaked much - teampest wtf)
BUT
swarmhost vs swarmhost wars is the most stupid thing i've ever seen... o_O

Mutas seem a good choice, since locusts cant's shoot up.

theeeyyy cannnnnn. I actually don't know what zerg unit beats swarm hosts, brood lords? kekekeke

I believe that they changed it that they can't.
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
September 05 2012 20:15 GMT
#1169
On September 06 2012 05:12 MCDayC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2012 05:10 Leetley wrote:
On September 06 2012 05:08 Anta wrote:
i'm no QQ guy or so. i think everything looks good (must get tweaked much - teampest wtf)
BUT
swarmhost vs swarmhost wars is the most stupid thing i've ever seen... o_O

Mutas seem a good choice, since locusts cant's shoot up.

theeeyyy cannnnnn. I actually don't know what zerg unit beats swarm hosts, brood lords? kekekeke

They cannot, it is changed before the beta. Locusts got buffed, got 3 range instead of 2, 0.8 attack speed instead of 1.2, but they can't shoot air now, which is the only thing imo that makes them somehow balanced. ;D
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12069 Posts
September 05 2012 20:16 GMT
#1170
Seeing Swarm Locusts burrow/unburrow and move back is suprisingly exciting if the enemy is pushing towards them. So tense, can they get away quick enough? FIND OUT NEXT WEEK ON LOCUST WATCH!

No but seriously, so far I think my favourite new unit to watch is the swarm locust.
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MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
September 05 2012 20:16 GMT
#1171
oh really they changed it? shame, that would have been cool. I guess mutas it is then!
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
September 05 2012 20:18 GMT
#1172
On September 06 2012 05:16 Qikz wrote:
Seeing Swarm Locusts burrow/unburrow and move back is suprisingly exciting if the enemy is pushing towards them. So tense, can they get away quick enough? FIND OUT NEXT WEEK ON LOCUST WATCH!

No but seriously, so far I think my favourite new unit to watch is the swarm locust.

Just because of the Animation how they spawn Locusts. :D
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
Shodaa
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada404 Posts
September 05 2012 20:24 GMT
#1173
On September 06 2012 05:16 Qikz wrote:
Seeing Swarm Locusts burrow/unburrow and move back is suprisingly exciting if the enemy is pushing towards them. So tense, can they get away quick enough? FIND OUT NEXT WEEK ON LOCUST WATCH!

No but seriously, so far I think my favourite new unit to watch is the swarm locust.


Yea I like them too.

Anyone know if the cooldown for spawn locus refresh while unborrow ? Watching Stephano right now I can't really tell, but if that the case that could make some nice leapfroging strat or a retreat option.
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/401120/1/Shodaa/
Juggernaut477
Profile Joined May 2011
United States379 Posts
September 05 2012 20:25 GMT
#1174
How come they did not add the new queen model? Was way better then the WoL queen.
Asymmetric
Profile Joined June 2011
Scotland1309 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-05 20:33:43
September 05 2012 20:25 GMT
#1175
On September 06 2012 05:12 MCDayC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2012 05:10 Leetley wrote:
On September 06 2012 05:08 Anta wrote:
i'm no QQ guy or so. i think everything looks good (must get tweaked much - teampest wtf)
BUT
swarmhost vs swarmhost wars is the most stupid thing i've ever seen... o_O

Mutas seem a good choice, since locusts cant's shoot up.

theeeyyy cannnnnn. I actually don't know what zerg unit beats swarm hosts, brood lords? kekekeke


Maybe ZvZ will just end up like broodwar mech TvT.

There's little in broodwar from terran that really breaks massed tank lines so it comes down to a positioning war, perhaps HOTS ZvZ will be like this with swarm hosts until someone can get an edge and tech to broods.


On September 06 2012 05:24 Shodaa wrote:
Anyone know if the cooldown for spawn locus refresh while unborrow ? Watching Stephano right now I can't really tell, but if that the case that could make some nice leapfroging strat or a retreat option.


I'm 99% sure from watching streams all day that they can refresh there payloads of locusts when there unburrowed.

Oddly enough potentially making them quite a micro heavy unit.
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
September 05 2012 20:31 GMT
#1176
On September 06 2012 05:25 Asymmetric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2012 05:12 MCDayC wrote:
On September 06 2012 05:10 Leetley wrote:
On September 06 2012 05:08 Anta wrote:
i'm no QQ guy or so. i think everything looks good (must get tweaked much - teampest wtf)
BUT
swarmhost vs swarmhost wars is the most stupid thing i've ever seen... o_O

Mutas seem a good choice, since locusts cant's shoot up.

theeeyyy cannnnnn. I actually don't know what zerg unit beats swarm hosts, brood lords? kekekeke


Maybe ZvZ will just end up like broodwar mech TvT.

There's little in broodwar from terran that really breaks massed tank lines so it comes down to a positioning war, perhaps HOTS ZvZ will be like this with swarm hosts until someone can get an edge and tech to broods.


Show nested quote +
On September 06 2012 05:24 Shodaa wrote:
Anyone know if the cooldown for spawn locus refresh while unborrow ? Watching Stephano right now I can't really tell, but if that the case that could make some nice leapfroging strat or a retreat option.


I'm 99% sure from watching streams all day that they do refresh there payloads of locusts when there unburrowed.

Oddly enough potentially making them quite a micro heavy unit.

The locust cooldown is 25 seconds, no matter if Swarm Hosts are burrowed or unburrowed.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
Shodaa
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada404 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-05 20:36:32
September 05 2012 20:35 GMT
#1177
On September 06 2012 05:25 Asymmetric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2012 05:12 MCDayC wrote:
On September 06 2012 05:10 Leetley wrote:
On September 06 2012 05:08 Anta wrote:
i'm no QQ guy or so. i think everything looks good (must get tweaked much - teampest wtf)
BUT
swarmhost vs swarmhost wars is the most stupid thing i've ever seen... o_O

Mutas seem a good choice, since locusts cant's shoot up.

theeeyyy cannnnnn. I actually don't know what zerg unit beats swarm hosts, brood lords? kekekeke


Maybe ZvZ will just end up like broodwar mech TvT.

There's little in broodwar from terran that really breaks massed tank lines so it comes down to a positioning war, perhaps HOTS ZvZ will be like this with swarm hosts until someone can get an edge and tech to broods.


Show nested quote +
On September 06 2012 05:24 Shodaa wrote:
Anyone know if the cooldown for spawn locus refresh while unborrow ? Watching Stephano right now I can't really tell, but if that the case that could make some nice leapfroging strat or a retreat option.


I'm 99% sure from watching streams all day that they do refresh there payloads of locusts when there unburrowed.

Oddly enough potentially making them quite a micro heavy unit.


Yes, this does seems like a micro heavy unit. The best way to play with them would probably be to deactivate autocast, cast it at the right time, then micro the spawn while repositioning the host. Lots of potential.
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/401120/1/Shodaa/
Nausea
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden807 Posts
September 05 2012 20:49 GMT
#1178
On September 06 2012 05:25 Juggernaut477 wrote:
How come they did not add the new queen model? Was way better then the WoL queen.


Would not suprise me if the new queen model will be collectors edition only or something like that.
Set it ablaze!
SarcasmMonster
Profile Joined October 2011
3136 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-05 20:52:17
September 05 2012 20:50 GMT
#1179
On September 06 2012 05:49 Nausea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 06 2012 05:25 Juggernaut477 wrote:
How come they did not add the new queen model? Was way better then the WoL queen.


Would not suprise me if the new queen model will be collectors edition only or something like that.


What's the difference?

The only difference I remember is that the "HOTS" queen doesn't have the extra arms, which I hate because the arms give the queens a bit of character.
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Butterz
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
688 Posts
September 05 2012 20:52 GMT
#1180
I really need to know that do each widow mine cost 2 supply??
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