EPTI assume this means he's been saving it for Mengsk, but as it's Valarian onboard, he never uses it.
Until he kills Tychus. With his handgun.
Am I right in assuming he uses the bullet meant for Mengsk on a friend? That's gotta suck.
Raynor's bullet
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Falcon-sw
United States324 Posts
I assume this means he's been saving it for Mengsk, but as it's Valarian onboard, he never uses it. Until he kills Tychus. With his handgun. Am I right in assuming he uses the bullet meant for Mengsk on a friend? That's gotta suck. | ||
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BadWithNames
United States441 Posts
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Switzerland3693 Posts
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Australia2362 Posts
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Varpulis
United States2517 Posts
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.Aar
2177 Posts
On March 22 2011 08:24 iaguz wrote: Yeah but he gets his gf back. Net gain imo. | ||
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redFF
United States3910 Posts
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Moody512
United States63 Posts
Kinda OT: I do like Valerian and Warfield just not Mengsk. Dominion isn't as bad it's just their leader is corrupt beyond corrupt. Maybe we will see more of them in the expansions? | ||
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Dimagus
United States1004 Posts
On March 22 2011 09:09 .Aar wrote: Right up until the bro stabs you in the back while she's naked and in distress. | ||
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Sanguinarius
United States3427 Posts
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Falcon-sw
United States324 Posts
On March 22 2011 09:20 Moody512 wrote: Very interesting find... I would assume the bullet was for Mengsk but as Findlay points out "I made a deal with the devil Jimmy. She dies I go free." So Raynor had one of two options kill his friend or let Kerrigan die and have the prophecy come true according to the Dark Voice... Kinda OT: I do like Valerian and Warfield just not Mengsk. Dominion isn't as bad it's just their leader is corrupt beyond corrupt. Maybe we will see more of them in the expansions? I dunno... Valarian has only shown he's willing to work with whoever to attain his goal of becoming a great leader. Isn't that basically the same attitude young Mengsk had? Who says when he takes over he won't be as bad? I do like Warfield, though. No politics there... just straight leadership and war tactics. Yup, hes been saving that bullet since SC1 to avenge Kerrigan. I think its fitting that he uses it to save her - defiantly a trade I would make if I was in his position. Great point... I had forgotten most of his hatred for Mengsk is due to what he did to Kerrigan. Forgoing vengeance to save her is a logical step. | ||
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
On March 22 2011 11:19 Sanguinarius wrote: Yup, hes been saving that bullet since SC1 to avenge Kerrigan. I think its fitting that he uses it to save her - defiantly a trade I would make if I was in his position. When did Raynor save a handgun bullet in Sc1? All I can remember is him using his rifle or Vulture or Battlecruiser | ||
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Nokarot
United States1410 Posts
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Orion407
Canada8 Posts
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Headlines
United States482 Posts
If Judas hadn't betrayed Jesus, God's plan for mankind's salvation may have been ruined. If Mengsk hadn't left Kerrigan for the Zerg to infest, the Overmind's plan for the Zerg to be free of the Xel'Naga would have been foiled. | ||
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Moody512
United States63 Posts
On March 22 2011 14:18 Headlines wrote: Does anyone else see a connection between Judas Iscariot from the Bible and Emperor Mengsk? If Judas hadn't betrayed Jesus, God's plan for mankind's salvation may have been ruined. If Mengsk hadn't left Kerrigan for the Zerg to infest, the Overmind's plan for the Zerg to be free of the Xel'Naga would have been foiled. Awesome find! If you didn't know Ariel Hanson and Gabriel Tosh both share names with angels. I never would of thought of that. ~Moody | ||
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10343 Posts
 Wait, since it was for Mengsk, perhaps Tychus didn't die but Raynor magically shot some part of the suit that set Tychus free. Whoa. So maybe it did end up being used on Mengsk after all =O (probably not true but just saying haha) | ||
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Rylaji
Sweden580 Posts
On March 22 2011 13:49 Orion407 wrote: What I don't get is that Mengsk had a bomb in Tychus' suit...why would he not detonate it after Tychus died? It wasnt a bomb, it was just a life support system, think of it like a pacemaker with a control. | ||
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Falcon-sw
United States324 Posts
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KMARTRULES
Australia474 Posts
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oblong
United States86 Posts
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Linoge
Hungary115 Posts
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bahl sofs tiil
United States233 Posts
On March 22 2011 14:18 Headlines wrote: If Judas hadn't betrayed Jesus, God's plan for mankind's salvation may have been ruined. That isn't really true. There are plenty of other ways that Jesus could have been killed. | ||
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Dox
Australia1199 Posts
On March 22 2011 13:49 Orion407 wrote: What I don't get is that Mengsk had a bomb in Tychus' suit...why would he not detonate it after Tychus died? + Show Spoiler + Tychus is definitely not dead. | ||
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Headlines
United States482 Posts
Mengsk didn't put a bomb in Tychus' suit. It was some sort of neurotoxin. (After Engine of Destruction mission) Horner: "Seriously Sir -- his suit contains a sophisticated transponder... if it receives the correct code, it'll shut down all his major organs. That suit is a death trap." And where are you getting this idea that Tychus didn't die at the end of the campaign? If the bullet hadn't killed Tychus, do you believe he would have been passive about it? Not likely. The scenario would then be: "Damn shame, Jimmy." *Proceeds to expend 5,000 rounds of ammo on both Jim and Kerrigan with his MINIGUN* On March 22 2011 16:35 bahl sofs tiil wrote: That isn't really true. There are plenty of other ways that Jesus could have been killed. Lets not do this... Please. | ||
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Faraday
United States553 Posts
In addition: I don't think Findlay is alive, because Mengsk would have killed him on spot if he were alive after Raynor shot him. (he failed his mission) | ||
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nihoh
Australia978 Posts
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naventus
United States1337 Posts
It's quite possible that Tychus is still alive, and Raynor simply shot the control system in the suit. To me, it makes no sense to build up a character from the opening cinematic and then just kill him off at the end of the episode. My bet is that Tychus is alive, and will be around for the next 2 games. | ||
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lololol
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ScythedBlade
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"With Tychus dead" blah blah, heart of the swarm blurb. | ||
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BasilPesto
Australia624 Posts
On March 22 2011 21:28 ScythedBlade wrote: Guys, we know Tychus is dead because when you complete the campaign, the whole blurb on the page says "With Tychus dead" blah blah, heart of the swarm blurb. Meh, I don't really think Blizzard is going to let something like that step in the way of open-ended story telling. I think Tychus's fate is ambiguous. | ||
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Hellie
Sweden94 Posts
On March 22 2011 21:52 BasilPesto wrote: Meh, I don't really think Blizzard is going to let something like that step in the way of open-ended story telling. I think Tychus's fate is ambiguous. Quoted from the Blizzcon 2010 SC2 lore-panel: -- 23:33 -- Q. [Man #9]: Thank you and is Tychus actually dead? Chris: Well I guess I’ll say, if I had my way and I know this would be unpopular, I would say, “Totally.” However, the artists on the dev teams they refuse to believe that Tychus is dead. They envision him with tentacles coming out of his face and things like that, so we’ll see who wins that war when we get back home, but you never know. You never know with us. Brian: Does anybody ever really die? Chris: Right. I mean, “Right”. Seems to me that they envision Tychus dead unless there will be a huge fan pressure saying otherwise. Kinda like Star Wars and Boba Fett, if the character's cool enough, he can be edited in somehow. But with 95% certainty, I'd say he ain't coming back. Edit: Quote taken from here: http://sclegacy.com/feature/106-blizzcon-2010/899-blizzcon-2010-starcraft-ii-lore-panel | ||
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Blasterion
China10272 Posts
On March 22 2011 21:19 lololol wrote: Nah, he already spent the bullet for Mengsk on his TV. LOL that is so true ahahahahaha | ||
Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
On March 22 2011 12:20 Falcon-sw wrote: I dunno... Valarian has only shown he's willing to work with whoever to attain his goal of becoming a great leader. Isn't that basically the same attitude young Mengsk had? Who says when he takes over he won't be as bad? I do like Warfield, though. No politics there... just straight leadership and war tactics. Great point... I had forgotten most of his hatred for Mengsk is due to what he did to Kerrigan. Forgoing vengeance to save her is a logical step. Ehhhh, in the expanded universe Valerian has basically shown himself to be a generally overall good guy, who has a dislike for his father but understands where he's coming from (without knowing the real truth). | ||
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[F_]aths
Germany3947 Posts
On March 22 2011 21:28 ScythedBlade wrote: This can always be retconned into "With Tychus assumend to be dead, ..."Guys, we know Tychus is dead because when you complete the campaign, the whole blurb on the page says "With Tychus dead" blah blah, heart of the swarm blurb. | ||
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Tiazi
Netherlands761 Posts
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On March 22 2011 23:44 [F_]aths wrote: This can always be retconned into "With Tychus assumend to be dead, ..." or just the zerg come back after you leave and infest his body then he can be the big bad boss of one of the expansions | ||
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Falcon-sw
United States324 Posts
WIth all the hints at Tychus's betrayal, how do you know that Raynor didn't already find out, and uncover a solution? Because if he had uncovered a solution he would have freed Tychus earlier than that moment. No reason to let him continue living with the guillotine hanging over his head. | ||
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Blasterion
China10272 Posts
On March 22 2011 21:19 lololol wrote: Nah, he already spent the bullet for Mengsk on his TV. so he must've had 2 bullets in his gun to begin with, 1 for Mengsk 1 for Kerrigan just incase. | ||
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Kwanny
Germany222 Posts
He gets shot by Raynor at the end, or if you play the Nova mission, Tosh stabs the Voodoo doll, which is connected to Tychus, and then Nova finishes him off, I mean Tychus, but Tosh aswell. | ||
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Falcon-sw
United States324 Posts
On March 23 2011 01:05 Kwanny wrote: Dudes, Tychus is dead either way. He gets shot by Raynor at the end, or if you play the Nova mission, Tosh stabs the Voodoo doll, which is connected to Tychus, and then Nova finishes him off, I mean Tychus, but Tosh aswell. Uh, no? If Nova killed Tychus how is Tychus on Char? | ||
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moltenlead
Canada866 Posts
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Coriolis
United States1152 Posts
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Falcon-sw
United States324 Posts
On March 23 2011 02:16 Coriolis wrote: I think we'll see infested tychus in HoTS. If he really is dead thats a shame, he was by far and away the best character in the campaign. The only way he gets infested is if Raynor left him there on Char. No way he does that. | ||
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.Aar
2177 Posts
On March 23 2011 00:29 turdburgler wrote: or just the zerg come back after you leave and infest his body then he can be the big bad boss of one of the expansions HotS being Kerrigan vs Tychus would feel like such a letdown. I mean, Tychus is cool and all, but as the ultimate enemy? No thanks. More like a side mission, taking him down and getting him out of the way. Hell, even as a Infested Stukov-ish secret mission. TYCHUS. SECRET MISSION. CONTINUING THAT STORYLINE. BAM. (Yes, I am aware that Stukov was de-infested) edit: oh wait they already fucked that up with the xel'naga relic thing nvm | ||
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Shiladie
Canada1631 Posts
On March 22 2011 11:19 Sanguinarius wrote: Yup, hes been saving that bullet since SC1 to avenge Kerrigan. I think its fitting that he uses it to save her - defiantly a trade I would make if I was in his position. This is my thought, I wonder if we'll see it come up at all in HotS, or if it will be brushed under the rug | ||
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mastergriggy
United States1312 Posts
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Ghost-z
United States1291 Posts
But yea Raynor uses two bullets from his pistol. One for his Tv, the other on Tychus. | ||
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Wezz
United States5 Posts
Still, can anyone else see the cutscene in their head of Tychus's body being overcome by the zerg on the intro of HoTS, with him standing up (probably fairly pissed off) zergified? And besides, we don't actually know if Kerrigan still controls the Swarm or not. There could just be another big bad ass alienated creature that controls them now - say The Xel'Naga (Remember in the last Zeratul mission how you had to fight off both zerg and hybrids?). Anyway you look at it, Blizzard left it open ended enough. (Edit) Oh, and I have to make note - Raynor's coat seemingly has SOME type of bullet in the vest front, although personally they look like either really thick pistol shells or a shotgun shell. So he may just CARRY more than 1 or 2 rounds on him. | ||
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Blasterion
China10272 Posts
On March 23 2011 05:21 Wezz wrote: Personally, just having followed many of Blizz's storylines, I think the possibility of Tychus coming back is entirely feasible. Blizzard does NOT like to let characters just 'die'. Think about Warcraft 3 - Sylvannas, Arthas, (both pressing into WoW, but I'll digress) and I'm sure there's many others if I went back and inspected it.. Still, can anyone else see the cutscene in their head of Tychus's body being overcome by the zerg on the intro of HoTS, with him standing up (probably fairly pissed off) zergified? And besides, we don't actually know if Kerrigan still controls the Swarm or not. There could just be another big bad ass alienated creature that controls them now - say The Xel'Naga (Remember in the last Zeratul mission how you had to fight off both zerg and hybrids?). Anyway you look at it, Blizzard left it open ended enough. (Edit) Oh, and I have to make note - Raynor's coat seemingly has SOME type of bullet in the vest front, although personally they look like either really thick pistol shells or a shotgun shell. So he may just CARRY more than 1 or 2 rounds on him. but look at WoW Kael'thas=> Dead x2 Kel'thuzad=> Dead Illidan=> Dead Arthas => Dead >.< Sylvanas=> still alive | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
Anyways, it's quite interesting to see Raynor only keep one bullet in his pistol this entire time. It really adds a bit of uncharacteristically deep symbolism to an otherwise weak story. | ||
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Blasterion
China10272 Posts
On March 23 2011 07:56 eviltomahawk wrote: Well, if the artists are so adamant about Tychus coming back infested, I'm sure a few bored programmers and artists can create a secret "Infested Tychus" unit in the editor or even as an easter egg in a mission or two. Anyways, it's quite interesting to see Raynor only keep one bullet in his pistol this entire time. It really adds a bit of uncharacteristically deep symbolism to an otherwise weak story. do you think he replaced the bullet with another one after he broke TV? | ||
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cbrsmurf
United States40 Posts
On March 23 2011 07:56 eviltomahawk wrote: Well, if the artists are so adamant about Tychus coming back infested, I'm sure a few bored programmers and artists can create a secret "Infested Tychus" unit in the editor or even as an easter egg in a mission or two. Anyways, it's quite interesting to see Raynor only keep one bullet in his pistol this entire time. It really adds a bit of uncharacteristically deep symbolism to an otherwise weak story. ... but it's so cliche. So many movies and stories where the protagonist keeps 1 bullet & pistol for the antagonist. | ||
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Blasterion
China10272 Posts
On March 23 2011 09:57 cbrsmurf wrote: ... but it's so cliche. So many movies and stories where the protagonist keeps 1 bullet & pistol for the antagonist. as cliche as it is I love it | ||
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Lexpar
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winsause
United States65 Posts
On March 23 2011 00:29 turdburgler wrote: or just the zerg come back after you leave and infest his body then he can be the big bad boss of one of the expansions yeah, that is what I think will happen. | ||
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GiantEnemyCrab
Canada503 Posts
the extra bullet was intended for the tv since that tv was one small ugly piece of shit | ||
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universalwill
United States654 Posts
read the summary in the main b.net menu after you finish the game. it says that tychus is dead. i doubt they'd include that only to drop an LOL JK in the next expansion. and i had noticed this before. the one-bullet-in-the-revolver thing has been done numerous times before in films, only in the SC2 campaign it's more obvious what he's saving the bullet for. | ||
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Falcon-sw
United States324 Posts
On March 23 2011 10:57 GiantEnemyCrab wrote: tychus made it soo obvious he was gonna shoot kerrigan makes me wonder he wanted to be shot by raynor instead of dying in the suit. cuz if he did kill kerigan he was still gonna die either way. so basicallly he was a good guy all along and helped raynor get where he wanted to through megneks forces and kill himself since his work was done I agree. Tychus clearly gave Raynor a chance to stop him. If Tychus had really wanted to kill Kerrigan, she'd be dead. | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
On March 23 2011 05:21 Wezz wrote: Personally, just having followed many of Blizz's storylines, I think the possibility of Tychus coming back is entirely feasible. Blizzard does NOT like to let characters just 'die'. Think about Warcraft 3 - Sylvannas, Arthas, (both pressing into WoW, but I'll digress) and I'm sure there's many others if I went back and inspected it.. Uther Lightbringer anyone? Also Sylvanas and Arthas making it over to WoW was par for the course, the campaign ended with them establishing an empire in Lordaeron and becoming one with Ner´zhul respectively. On the other hand reversing Kerrigan to human is imho a major copout. If I remember WC3 correctly Maiev also died on Dreanor while in WoW she is supposedly alive to kill Illidan. Meh, actually I don´t like Blizzards story telling since dragonpeople and dragonflights and other dragonstuff are suddenly all important in warcraft and all over the place. I wouldn´t put it past them(anymore) to retcon every dead person into an alive person for the sake of easier writing. Previously they actually planned who should be around longer(Mengsk was spared by Kerrigan, Fenix was put in a dragoon to showcase protosslore, Kerrigan becoming infested was actually planned by the overmind so he captured her alive). Just to recount, they killed off Duke, Fenix, Tassadar, most cerebrates (Zasz & Daggoth I think), Stukov, DuGalle and the matron of the dark templar. That´s as far as I remember. If anyone of them suddenly lives again, remember, you heard it here first. Tassadar made an appearance because obviously Protoss are like Jedi now. So in my opinion they probably will as well revive Tychus to a full human being for no other reason than all other characters being completely unlikable. For the record: He was pretty dumb, stubborn and quite an asshole, so he actually acted right on character the whole time. | ||
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GrapeD
Canada679 Posts
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
On March 23 2011 01:04 Blasterion wrote: so he must've had 2 bullets in his gun to begin with, 1 for Mengsk 1 for Kerrigan just incase. This just blew my mind....WHY DID HE HAVE 2 BULLETS TO START | ||
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Moody512
United States63 Posts
My assumption is this: One for Kerrigan if she can't be saved and the other for himself so he can be with her for all eternity? Sounds a lot like the old Scientific Romance as Science Fiction started out. :D~Moody | ||
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Chicken Chaser
United States533 Posts
On March 22 2011 09:10 SupastaR wrote: mind=blown Whose? Tychus's? | ||
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aimaimaim
Philippines2167 Posts
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DarthXX
Australia998 Posts
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AndyBear
Canada132 Posts
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Ordained
United States779 Posts
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tenordrummer
Canada36 Posts
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Zombo Joe
Canada850 Posts
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[F_]aths
Germany3947 Posts
On March 23 2011 11:21 Mataza wrote: Maiev Shadowsong did not die, the continued the hunt. Illidan is somewhere out there! Justice will be done!On the other hand reversing Kerrigan to human is imho a major copout. If I remember WC3 correctly Maiev also died on Dreanor while in WoW she is supposedly alive to kill Illidan. On March 23 2011 11:04 Falcon-sw wrote: "Tychus, what have you done?" I also thought about that Tychus realized that Mensk probably would not keep his end of the bargain so he is dead anyways. I agree. Tychus clearly gave Raynor a chance to stop him. If Tychus had really wanted to kill Kerrigan, she'd be dead. | ||
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Arn
Sweden118 Posts
Jim Raynor has this "one, special", bullet saved up in his revolver. He can however use his revolver like normally, he probably doesn't "never reload it" - thus, when he shoots the TV it's obviously not the "one and only bullet". Down on char, though, he is bringing along his favourite handgun, along with the standard rifle he's been using. Maybe he plans on killing Mengsk somehow there, although I must say I can't recall it being feasible. Else he just brings it along as a token. Now when Tychus threatens to kill Kerrigan, Jim Raynor has no choice but to use his special bullet on Tychus. A choice that might seem obvious, but the value put in that bullet makes the choice even larger to make. Could he have used his standard rifle for that? Of course not, he would never get it aiming before Tychus would have reacted and shot our Jimmy. As for Tychus being dead or alive, I'd say he is definitly dead (or was) when Jimmy shot him. You don't just let someone shoot you on a zerg planet and let'em walk away with the dragon queen. He'd fire back. Now as for Tychus being revived and swarmified, that's a possibility. It always is, and sometimes depends more on dramatics than realism. Just dropping a few more thoughts: 1) Jim dropped his rifle a couple of meters before leaning down over Kerrigan. He couldn't have shot Tychus. 2) Tychus actually pulled the trigger, and Jim blocked the shot with his shoulder. Did anyone else notice this? 3) There were a few marines back there. What were they doing all along? Why would Jim take illoyal marines on this task? Couldn't they have interevened? 4) We do not actually see what happens after Jim fires, it all goes black. The assumption they want us to make is "Tychus dies, Kerrigan lives - Jim saves the day". But there could have been more argumentation after that. Maybe Tychus hesitates to fire his best friend Jim. Maybe Mengsk decides to kill his pet, Tychus, when he realizes what Jim is saying is true. Maybe Kerrigan finishes Tychus off with some crazy psionic moves. Anything goes. Nevertheless, I say the plot is good, and the "bullet saved" just adds an extra dimension to it. | ||
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aimaimaim
Philippines2167 Posts
On March 23 2011 17:44 Zombo Joe wrote: His revolver is redundant when he can use the standard assault rifle that fires 50 cals. They use Uranium 238 shells. lol | ||
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lololol
5198 Posts
I'm sorry, but reloading is for pussies. Have you ever seen a Terran Marine reload? I thought so. | ||
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DyEnasTy
United States3714 Posts
On March 22 2011 09:09 .Aar wrote: Comment of the day for me. | ||
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DyEnasTy
United States3714 Posts
On March 23 2011 11:04 Falcon-sw wrote: I agree. Tychus clearly gave Raynor a chance to stop him. If Tychus had really wanted to kill Kerrigan, she'd be dead. And dont forget guys that they "resurrected" Tassadar as well. | ||
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Blasterion
China10272 Posts
On March 23 2011 22:13 DyEnasTy wrote: And dont forget guys that they "resurrected" Tassadar as well. Aiur was merely a set back | ||
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aimaimaim
Philippines2167 Posts
When I was doing the campaign and I reached this level. This came into mind. | ||
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Cyber_Cheese
Australia3615 Posts
as long as you disable the air that might work | ||
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staplestf2
United States147 Posts
On March 23 2011 10:17 Lexpar wrote: We're all idiots. It took us half a year to realize the one cool thing about SC2's story. so not everyone got this the first time they saw it? cool i guess that makes be super observant or something. | ||
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vol_
Australia1608 Posts
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KillerPlague
United States1386 Posts
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Blasterion
China10272 Posts
On March 24 2011 04:20 KillerPlague wrote: i don't see why he couldn't have had a fully loaded handgun. no shame in having to take more than 1 shot. Just start unloading a full magazined gauss into Mengsk xD | ||
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emc
United States3088 Posts
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nitdkim
1264 Posts
Jack Sparrow and Jim Raynor has many similarities. I guess there is a Protagonist 101 class that all the writers attended in College. | ||
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Obsolescence
United States270 Posts
I don't think there was any symbolism in the way Raynor used his bullet. He knew he couldn't bring a rifle to bear on Tychus in time. He used that bullet at that time in that situation because it was necessary. Clearly, he was saving it for Mengsk. That's why he drops his rifle and draws his pistol when he enter's Valarian's chamber. Tychus definitely hesitated on purpose, but I don't think it was from some sense of self-sacrifice. I think he just wanted to make sure that Jimmy wouldn't just kill him as soon as he did it. When Jimmy gave him the ambiguous test, "we all got our choices to make," he chose wrong and Jimmy did what he would have had to do if Tychus had killed Kerrigan anyway. | ||
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Euronyme
Sweden3804 Posts
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Patton1942
United States66 Posts
. When tycus is watching the old vids I'm almost positive that we see jimmy shooting his pistol multiple times. someone also mentioned that he shot the TV as well. I am assuming that a soldier going into a war zone would in fact carry a fully loaded pistol. | ||
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PH
United States6173 Posts
On March 23 2011 10:17 Lexpar wrote: We're all idiots. It took us half a year to realize the one cool thing about SC2's story. Wow. You made my day. | ||
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Gaspa
Brazil109 Posts
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Obsolescence
United States270 Posts
I can't believe that this is the first cool thing anyone could find in the story. Comments like these cause me to take the "wtf-sc2-story-sucks" community much less seriously. | ||
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Fateless
United States99 Posts
On March 22 2011 07:34 Falcon-sw wrote: Playing through the campaign again, I noticed just before boarding the Dominion flagship, Raynor checks the chambers in his handgun and there's only one bullet in there. I assume this means he's been saving it for Mengsk, but as it's Valarian onboard, he never uses it. Until he kills Tychus. With his handgun. Am I right in assuming he uses the bullet meant for Mengsk on a friend? That's gotta suck. Pretty awesome observation dude, what do you do for a living? | ||
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Falcon-sw
United States324 Posts
On March 24 2011 23:43 Fateless wrote: Pretty awesome observation dude, what do you do for a living? Kinda stuck between a career in print journalism and breaking into IT. And thanks. | ||
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j3i
United States357 Posts
On March 23 2011 15:56 AndyBear wrote: too bad he can't reload or anything. yeah his gigantic marine hands wouldn't be able to... which begs the question: is his revolver regular sized or marine-useable sized? I feel like I've seen him use it with and without the suit but that would be impossible since the marine hands are much larger. | ||
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Bhaalgorn
Slovenia214 Posts
Zeratul and the dark templar were able to permanently kill a cerebrate since they wielded the same cosmic energy as the Overmind . Yet Kerrigan easily regenerates her wing after Zeratul chops it off. Does that mean she uses the same kind of energy as zealots(for example) or some other kind of psy powers? | ||
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Ghost151
United States290 Posts
On March 22 2011 08:18 BadWithNames wrote: I always assumed it was meant for Mengsk...or Kerrigan in the event she couldn't be saved. I thought that events of Brood War made it pretty clear he intended to "save" Sarah with this bullet. To me it seemed that (potentially) using it on Mengsk after boarding the flagship was improvised, as Raynor had no problems dealing blows to Arcturus through his own previous methods of guerilla warfare and raiding tactics. In fact, he's doing so good at this that Mengsk was forced to use his control of the media to marginalize Raynor as much as he could by the time Wing of Liberty happens. So in my take on the events, Raynor's choices were: A.) Jimmy's original plan: mercy kill Kerrigan like he promised he would in the events of SC:BW, since she'd become a monster ( or out of vengeance for everything she'd done since becoming the Queen of Blades, if you saw it that way) i.e. A way to "save her" B.) With the new info from the Prophecy, choosing to literally save her by killing Tychus instead. Regardless of your PoV, the symbolism of one bullet in the chamber is the same: Jimmy can only act once, so he must make a choice somewhere down the line. IMO the bullet being saved for Mengsk is not as powerful as the implications of using on Kerrigan. Everything has happened because of Mengsk treachery, yes, but Jimmy loved Sarah. The only thing that could have a stronger effect on him emotionally than Mengsk doing that to her would be seeing her become the monster that she is, and doing the things she did. At least I think so. | ||
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Dimagus
United States1004 Posts
On March 25 2011 02:49 Bhaalgorn wrote: Well,if we're already talking about interesting bits in the SC2 story how about this: Zeratul and the dark templar were able to permanently kill a cerebrate since they wielded the same cosmic energy as the Overmind . Yet Kerrigan easily regenerates her wing after Zeratul chops it off. Does that mean she uses the same kind of energy as zealots(for example) or some other kind of psy powers? I think it just means she isn't dead and zerg regenerate their injuries, especially on creep. Perhaps he would have better luck chopping her head off. | ||
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Tracedragon
United States948 Posts
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Falcon-sw
United States324 Posts
On March 25 2011 14:40 Dimagus wrote: I think it just means she isn't dead and zerg regenerate their injuries, especially on creep. Perhaps he would have better luck chopping her head off. That's a good point. If I remember BW well enough, you could damage cerebrates with dark templar, but they'd regenerate if you didn't finish them off. | ||
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Obsolescence
United States270 Posts
On March 26 2011 03:52 Falcon-sw wrote: That's a good point. If I remember BW well enough, you could damage cerebrates with dark templar, but they'd regenerate if you didn't finish them off. The cerebrates are very different from Kerrigan. Cerebrates can be killed by anyone, but in SC1/BW the cerebrates "essence" would call out to the overmind and the overmind would regenerate them at a different location. Dark templar use a type of energy which can destroy the cerebrates essence, so they can kill a cerebrate permanently, but only after something kills the physical body. In the case of Kerrigan, we don't know whether or not she has an "essence." We also don't know if another overmind exists or would ever return. Therefore, even if she had an essence and the overmind was capable of regenerating and replicating her current form and powers, there is no overmind currently that she could call. | ||
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Newbistic
China2912 Posts
Or, Blizzard's new philosophy when it comes to story writing. | ||
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Oathmaster
Canada81 Posts
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Dimagus
United States1004 Posts
Also when he checks the gun before boarding Mengsk's ship (although it is Valarian on it) he rotates the cylinder so it will be the next shot fired, implying he keeps it saved and can easily put rounds in the other chambers. | ||
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Ironsights
United States196 Posts
However, in the cut scene before he goes after Valerian, he does in deed only have one bullet in the revolver... Perhaps in the process of boarding and taking over a battlecruiser raynor ran his riffle dry and rather than bother reloading whipped out the side arm to finish a few off. By the time he got to the bridge, he had one round left. That fits him to me, gets all the way to the point where he thinks he can kill Mengsk, has just ONE shot to do it and will be left unarmed, likely to die, and goes in head long anyway. The Tragic Anti-Hero if ever there was one. Any of you remeber John McClain's two bullets at the end of Die Hard?? Same thing. | ||
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Flanagan
United States166 Posts
I'm pretty sure he reloads it. | ||
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TemplarCo.
Mexico2870 Posts
On March 22 2011 09:09 .Aar wrote: .Aar's got a point there, I think it was a weird turn of events in the campaign, will be interesting how the story line comes up in Heart Of The Swarm...:D | ||
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andy186
Australia1058 Posts
On March 26 2011 08:23 Ironsights wrote: I don't beleive there was "one bullet for mengsk". Raynor carried the sidearm frequently, in my midn as a momento fro mhis martial days. Made him feel like a boss...and was a "last tie" to his good side, so to speak. He shot the TV in the bar with it, presumably more than once since there was a warning sign telling him not to do it again. However, in the cut scene before he goes after Valerian, he does in deed only have one bullet in the revolver... Perhaps in the process of boarding and taking over a battlecruiser raynor ran his riffle dry and rather than bother reloading whipped out the side arm to finish a few off. By the time he got to the bridge, he had one round left. That fits him to me, gets all the way to the point where he thinks he can kill Mengsk, has just ONE shot to do it and will be left unarmed, likely to die, and goes in head long anyway. The Tragic Anti-Hero if ever there was one. Any of you remeber John McClain's two bullets at the end of Die Hard?? Same thing. He checks the gun before he even boards the ship. Then the fighting starts. He doesnt fire the revoler while on the ship as far as we know. | ||
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cocosoft
Sweden1068 Posts
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Wisedeath
United States6 Posts
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CodECleaR
United States395 Posts
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Dingo22
United States34 Posts
Mensk's bullet is still being saved... | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
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IamTheWhiteGuy
United States93 Posts
. Somehow I imagine that they borked it, based on all of the stupid things that went on during the SC2 campaign. Hella fun, and well designed, but come on now. | ||
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viii
United States266 Posts
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johanngrunt
Hong Kong1555 Posts
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Archontas
United States319 Posts
On March 24 2011 08:36 nitdkim wrote: Very similar to Pirates of the Caribbean... Jack Sparrow and Jim Raynor has many similarities. I guess there is a Protagonist 101 class that all the writers attended in College. lol, I remember having a similar thought when I watched the cinematic the first time. I was hoping someone had read the books and had an insight into why he had a specific bullet saved, but it doesn't seem like that is the case. I'm all for a good symbolic moment of justice, but if there's no story at all to it, then I'm with Jibba on this one. | ||
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SeeiSee
United States12 Posts
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KaRath_
Australia245 Posts
Alternatively, he saved one bullet ever in case he was captured by the Zerg? Too many Zombie movies for me T_T | ||
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Xyonon
Switzerland3 Posts
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
He want to revenge kerrigan face to face and maybe he symbolically has only one bullet in his handgun, but i don't think he would ever care that it has to be a special saved up bullet. Anyway if you wanna go that far and if you take the hos spoilers into consideration + Show Spoiler + Since kerrigan gets saved via this bullet she becomes the bullet and kills mengsk later, so the bullet still got him in the end. Uh oh so much depth i could ... i just don't like the us story writers at the moment, they are so obsessed about making a confusing script to force people to view every episode. I love eastereggs in games, like good ol dogmeat etc. Also sudden twists are pretty nice. What i hate is when they change the story afterwards, warcraft 3 had a lil bit of it in it and wow was urg pain ^^. regarding sc2 till now characters acted normal for me. And got alot of fan service which made a fangirl heart beat with passion. Spacemarines fighting in a battlecruiser *-*. Evac mission !!! ... DOGMEAT !!! (i soo hate to see him die in fallout >.< ) After WoL still hate mengsk and still think Jim is a total bad ass, so everything is fine. PS: all the discussion about sc2 made me realize how many scifi serie are about some old race wanting to whipe out the new races every now and then or that 2 old races fight each other to the death and are both remains of an even older race x3. Freespace, Master of orion, galactic civilisation, mass effect, babylon 5 etc etc ^^... probably easier to point out the stuff without this evil prophecy stuff hehe. mmmm ble now i want to play a freespace 3 ^^; love the story hehe | ||
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Chibiabos
United States1 Post
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DougJDempsey
747 Posts
On March 22 2011 13:49 Orion407 wrote: What I don't get is that Mengsk had a bomb in Tychus' suit...why would he not detonate it after Tychus died? .... It wasnt a bomb. The suit just had the ability to shut down his vital organs. On March 29 2011 07:13 FeyFey wrote: yep you go to char a planet were mengsk would never be with a special saved up bullet for him. He want to revenge kerrigan face to face and maybe he symbolically has only one bullet in his handgun, but i don't think he would ever care that it has to be a special saved up bullet. Anyway if you wanna go that far and if you take the hos spoilers into consideration + Show Spoiler + Since kerrigan gets saved via this bullet she becomes the bullet and kills mengsk later, so the bullet still got him in the end. Uh oh so much depth i could ... i just don't like the us story writers at the moment, they are so obsessed about making a confusing script to force people to view every episode. I love eastereggs in games, like good ol dogmeat etc. Also sudden twists are pretty nice. What i hate is when they change the story afterwards, warcraft 3 had a lil bit of it in it and wow was urg pain ^^. regarding sc2 till now characters acted normal for me. And got alot of fan service which made a fangirl heart beat with passion. Spacemarines fighting in a battlecruiser *-*. Evac mission !!! ... DOGMEAT !!! (i soo hate to see him die in fallout >.< ) After WoL still hate mengsk and still think Jim is a total bad ass, so everything is fine. PS: all the discussion about sc2 made me realize how many scifi serie are about some old race wanting to whipe out the new races every now and then or that 2 old races fight each other to the death and are both remains of an even older race x3. Freespace, Master of orion, galactic civilisation, mass effect, babylon 5 etc etc ^^... probably easier to point out the stuff without this evil prophecy stuff hehe. mmmm ble now i want to play a freespace 3 ^^; love the story hehe YES. because hes going to go to some planet JUST to leave the pistol behind. That makes sense huh? Hard to believe but even if you saved up a bullet for someone you WILL use it if you really need it. | ||
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Steel
Japan2283 Posts
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Sixotanaka
Australia191 Posts
EDIT: I think he saved a bullet for Mengsk. Those massive marine rifles take so many shots to kill even simple Zerglings, let alone Protoss units, so it seems to me that the pistol is specifically there to kill other humans. | ||
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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
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Eeevil
Netherlands359 Posts
I thought that was the smartest thing about the entire plot.....but even then...it does not fit. For one, why would Tychus listen to Mensk. Raynor has been living as a fugitive since BW and he hasn't been doing that bad. In the beginning of the game Tychus is introduced as some hard case criminal mercenary, why will he have problems living as a fugitive.....in space. And it's just poor logic to let someone out of jail, and then say that if he'd kill the Zerg queen of blades (who at that time still has a powerlevel over 9000) he's.....free. Seriously....what !? And in the long time there was between finding out about tychus' true intentions to the point where he's reaching the trigger, couldn;t the other marines that you seen earlier in the cinematic do something ? (It takes a minute, maybe 2 before Tychus moves to kill lots of time to do something) They should have developped the Tychus arc more. Give him some implanted ghost mind control type thing that made him do what he did. Or have a cinematic where there are already hints that Tychus' plans aren't very good for Raynor. Uh anyways, it's already established that the writing and plot in SC2 is pretty bad. | ||
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Denzil
United Kingdom4193 Posts
Also On April 02 2011 10:28 Chibiabos wrote: Killing a friend is an old theme, someone actually thought Halo did it first? Good grief, kids these days are so uncultured! Read John Steinbeck's "Of Mice And Men" FUUUUU I got to read that book for English T.T Now I'll have no urge to read it already knowing somethings up | ||
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Daralii
United States16991 Posts
On April 02 2011 21:08 Denzil wrote: Kel Thuzard is dead x2 tbh. x3, actually. Killed as a necromancer by Arthas, killed by WoW players in Naxxramas, then killed by WoW players again in Naxxramas 2.0. On April 02 2011 16:16 Sixotanaka wrote: I can't remember if Kerrigan left any of the Cerebrates alive, but if she did they'd become the unofficial heads of the Swarm. If none of them remain then either the queens take over(if multiplayer is any indicator), or every zerg in the sector runs around like a headless chicken until someone or something takes over.I've got a question I think is somewhat relevant to the whole 'infested Tychus' thing. Kerrigan is redeemed, why would she infest Tychus? That seems a bit disrespectful. | ||
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Rashid
191 Posts
bros before hoes dudes. | ||
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SYNC_qx
Germany197 Posts
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Falcon-sw
United States324 Posts
[B]On April 02 2011 16:16 Sixotanaka wrote: can't remember if Kerrigan left any of the Cerebrates alive, but if she did they'd become the unofficial heads of the Swarm. If none of them remain then either the queens take over(if multiplayer is any indicator), or every zerg in the sector runs around like a headless chicken until someone or something takes over. Whoah, same plot device as in Wrath of the Lich King. Arthas becomes leader of the undead (zerg), and it's intimated that the only thing keeping the swarm from mindlessly ravaging the entire world is the bit of Arthas' humanity that is still left over. Same story with Kerrigan? Maybe the reason the zerg have been so quiet is that her humanity has held them back somewhat. If so, her de-infestation doesn't speak well for anyone else, but HoS is suddenly more interesting. | ||
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Umbjabaya
United States20 Posts
On April 03 2011 16:55 Daralii wrote: x3, actually. Killed as a necromancer by Arthas, killed by WoW players in Naxxramas, then killed by WoW players again in Naxxramas 2.0. WoW players can't kill anything right, it's always just a setback for the guy they're fighting. That way they can get better gear in the future | ||
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StarbugPilo
France37 Posts
----------------------------------------------------------- Nah, he already spent the bullet for Mengsk on his TV. ------------------------------------------------------------ That definitely closes this post. You're so my heroe. thanks for the laugh. | ||
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Coolguy
68 Posts
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Atexis
United States6 Posts
On March 22 2011 14:25 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: That sucks Wait, since it was for Mengsk, perhaps Tychus didn't die but Raynor magically shot some part of the suit that set Tychus free. Whoa. So maybe it did end up being used on Mengsk after all =O (probably not true but just saying haha) I wish this where true, killing off the most bad ass character that Blizzard ever designed made me sad | ||
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