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Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
August 13 2010 11:56 GMT
#41
definitely air is harder. tank´s efficiency grows exponentially with their number and with only ground to worry about, u can focus most of your production on them. the problem with air is A) the divertion of ur resources on different dam types (air, ground) and B) that u have to worry about the leviathan.

and the last zerg upgrade is crucial for the last mission: psi disruptor or whatever its called makes the nydus version infinitely easier, mind control towers make the air infinitely easier. beating the air version on brutal without the mind control towers is extremely difficult.
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potatomash3r
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia417 Posts
August 13 2010 12:32 GMT
#42
Nydus is easiest. Just get the Siege Tank upgrades, mass them at the centre of your base below the cliff and mass marines to deal with Kerrigan. I found this out from the Great Fountain of Knowledge that is youtube.
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Klive5ive
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom6056 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-13 13:06:01
August 13 2010 13:05 GMT
#43
Nydus is definitely easier.
It doesn't really matter what else you do as long as make lots of siege tanks!
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Vimsey
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom2235 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-17 21:24:19
August 17 2010 21:23 GMT
#44
On August 12 2010 02:11 Juvator wrote:
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On August 11 2010 21:04 Vimsey wrote:
I found air extremely easy but nydus not so. It depends on what research and upgrades you have gone. Ignoring broodlords is the same as ignoring nydus worms really its just using different units to get the job done.


it does depend on research for some part indeed, that's why when I wanted to do air lvl on hard I redid the whole campaign just to get hive mind controller
because this is just the hardest mission in the campaign, and most other research that is usefull there is also usefull in the other missions.

so completely basing ur tech on the last mission was in my case not a bad thing and then nydus or air should not pose too much of a threat.

but I do see that defense and playwise nydus is just a lot easier because it requires a lot less micro then dealing with all the air on all sides and getting those broodlords that are out of reach.

Ive just redone it and getting the best research for this level because i wanted the use artifact once achievement. I was really struggling because i simply hadnt teched the right units or chosen the right research upgrades. This time round it was so easy it felt like playing the final mission on normal vs nydus and the only micro required was with the banshees. So your choices really do make a massive difference as you say.
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-17 21:42:50
August 17 2010 21:31 GMT
#45
Depends on the research you have taken and the upgrades (or lack there of). Overall Nydus is simpler, but air isn't a big problem if you know what you are doing. Air does require your full attention and micro to deal with units though, where as vs Nydus, once you mass up tanks all you have to do is take care of kerrigan with bio once every so many minutes.
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Sqq
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway2023 Posts
August 17 2010 22:28 GMT
#46
I've tried both. And for Air to be easy you need MC or Nova type ghosts.

What makese Nydus easy ? 1 unit. Siege tanks. And lots of them. And 20ish marines for Karigan.

So I'd say if you where struggling with Brutal missions, Nydus is by FAR the easiest.
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3nickma
Profile Joined November 2007
Denmark1510 Posts
August 17 2010 22:38 GMT
#47
I actually thought it was a though fight on my first playthrough on Normal. Yeah lol I suck and I know it I'm just a Silver player

Anyways as some others have mentioned I've used this All-In Brutal Guide for the basic setup. After that the whole mission almost seemed like a joke. Though I don't mind a smooth sailing

Did it in my first attempt after watching this video. Incredible easy as long as tanks take care of most and marines kill Kerrigan. Just remember to flush the Zerg with the Artifact right before Kerrigan gets there and it's a breeze.

Don't know about the other Research paths but I had Psi Disrupter and Perdition Turret too and now I can do this mission without a sweat.
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youj3an
Profile Joined May 2010
8 Posts
August 17 2010 22:57 GMT
#48
I thought fighting air was much easier on brutal.

I just massed goliaths with their armory upgrades. They take care of air easily and since the ground forces you face aren't too substantial it works out quite well.

Make sure to get the reactor/techlab researched.
Poptarts
Profile Joined April 2010
United States5 Posts
August 17 2010 23:08 GMT
#49
Nydus is definitely easier for me because tanks just kill almost anything they throw at you and the banshees can go around killing nydus worms.

For some people, they like air better because they can mind control (if they have the hive mind device) a bunch of Broodlords and Mutalisks and kill Kerrigan with it.
Therealdevil
Profile Joined May 2010
Netherlands1021 Posts
August 17 2010 23:38 GMT
#50
I thought air was harder cause the leviathan shows up, together with kerrigan, got me killed alot, just kerrigan is so much easier.
monad
Profile Joined March 2010
United States156 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-18 00:37:29
August 18 2010 00:37 GMT
#51
Air is easier if you drop 20+ mind controllers in your base and MC every air unit that comes your way, then use them against kerrigan and leviathan.
gods_basement
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States305 Posts
August 18 2010 02:43 GMT
#52
if you survive the first few waves vs air (until kerrigan's first appearance) while putting up mind control towers, then its a pretty easy win.
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peterius
Profile Joined May 2010
33 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-18 06:13:53
August 18 2010 06:13 GMT
#53
I've tried this on hard with nydus at least 20 times and I can't beat it. I've tried every strategy I can think of and one's I've read online and it just doesn't seem possible. Maybe I chose the wrong story upgrades. 2nd or third time, I got to 99% but now I'm getting like 40% or 60% before getting overrun. I can keep the zerg at bay, but then kerrigan comes and wipes out one of the choke points and I can't rebuild fast enough. And then if I don't go with a marines strategy, then I never have enough gas to replace the tanks. If I go with a marine strategy, then the marines get wiped out too easily.

I finally broke down and watched that brutal walkthrough. The problem is that I don't have the story upgrade that lets you build two tanks at a time and I don't have the slow towers and I don't have the psi disrupter and I also don't have the gas autominer which I think is faster than 3 scvs. So I just don't think its possible for me to beat this. I can't replace the tanks fast enough, if I build them all in the center, half still get wiped out from kerrigan and then I'm overrun.
dukethegold
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada5645 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-18 06:40:40
August 18 2010 06:37 GMT
#54
I chose Nydus and at first couldn't break past 96% on brutal however I tried. I spend almost an entire day on it and couldn't break it.

Then I go onto Youtube to learn other people's strategies.

I learned that mass tank + bio ball was the key. Easiest brutal mission ever. I literally did nothing but spam tanks, click nova and a-move bio ball when kerrigan shows up. This strategy does, however, require the use of psi disruptor in front of your tanks.

I heard that Air is super easy if you have the mind control tower. You end up with over a hundred muta and dozens of broodlords if you spam the towers.
peterius
Profile Joined May 2010
33 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-18 06:43:07
August 18 2010 06:42 GMT
#55
On August 18 2010 15:37 dukethegold wrote:
I learned that mass tank + bio ball was the key. Easiest brutal mission ever. I literally did nothing but spam tanks, click nova and a-move bio ball when kerrigan shows up. This strategy does, however, require the use of psi disruptor in front of your tanks.
.


Did you have the upgrade for building two tanks at once or the gas upgrade? I don't have the psi disruptor either. I wonder if there's just some story upgrades that you can't use together.
dukethegold
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada5645 Posts
August 18 2010 06:51 GMT
#56
On August 18 2010 15:42 peterius wrote:
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On August 18 2010 15:37 dukethegold wrote:
I learned that mass tank + bio ball was the key. Easiest brutal mission ever. I literally did nothing but spam tanks, click nova and a-move bio ball when kerrigan shows up. This strategy does, however, require the use of psi disruptor in front of your tanks.
.


Did you have the upgrade for building two tanks at once or the gas upgrade? I don't have the psi disruptor either. I wonder if there's just some story upgrades that you can't use together.


I have all of them. But you don't need those two upgrades since you can just build more factories and scv.

I am talking about this strategy:

peterius
Profile Joined May 2010
33 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-18 07:10:31
August 18 2010 07:07 GMT
#57
On August 18 2010 15:51 dukethegold wrote:
I am talking about this strategy:



Yeah, that's the one I finally broke down and tried. I can't build that many tanks, there's not enough gas for it, even with four factories. I think the gas upgrade is more necessary even then the double tank one.

Like he's got like 22 tanks there. I can build 12 tops, maxed out gas, then kerrigan comes and between her and the zerg left after I use the nova, I lose 6.
TriniMasta
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1323 Posts
August 18 2010 07:15 GMT
#58
Nydus just provide a larger enemy flow into your base. Well to people who say banshees snipe them easily, why don't you get vikings for brood lords? They're cheaper than banshees, and the number of mutalisk they give you aren't that devastating to the vikings.
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but lol I still admit taking out air is easier
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monad
Profile Joined March 2010
United States156 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-18 07:50:32
August 18 2010 07:47 GMT
#59
On August 18 2010 16:07 peterius wrote:
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On August 18 2010 15:51 dukethegold wrote:
I am talking about this strategy:



Yeah, that's the one I finally broke down and tried. I can't build that many tanks, there's not enough gas for it, even with four factories. I think the gas upgrade is more necessary even then the double tank one.

Like he's got like 22 tanks there. I can build 12 tops, maxed out gas, then kerrigan comes and between her and the zerg left after I use the nova, I lose 6.


Do you have the armory upgrade for thors that gives them the 330mm cannon that stuns? If so, what you do for kerrigan is just build 4 thors and put them in a control group. hit her with it and it stuns her, wait 3 seconds then do it again, keep cycling this over and over and it will chain stun her and you can kill her without even getting touched every single time.

It was difficult for me the first time around as well due to some poor tech choices, but you just have to save after every kerrigan wave. Apparently you have the mind control stuff, use that to mind control Ultralisks and then move them up your artifact ramp and just leave them there.

Once you get to 95% or so, lift all your buildings and land them on the top area. This should buy you enough time reach 100% even if your entire army gets wiped out.

Another trick I did since I was getting to like 99% was near the end, take a hellion and hit kerrigan with it then kite her away. If kerrigan is allowed to get up the ramp it's over, but if you hit her once she will follow you till you die, so kiting her is a good way to save your ass if it comes down to a hair.
peterius
Profile Joined May 2010
33 Posts
August 18 2010 08:08 GMT
#60
I'll try kiting her with a helion. I can't use the thor stun, maybe with four, but I usually don't have the gas for that and with just one she one hit kills it before it gets in range.
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